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I guess she plans to sue the ref for the difference in pay between the winner and runner up. ;)
 
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Osaka clearly outplayed her, but it wasn't a good look for the US Open/game today. Unfortunate because Osaka really deserved all the accolades. Granted, if Osaka really wanted to avoid the controversy, she could have refused the Serena penalty and the powers be would have probably accepted to avoid a greater controversy.
 
HawkHusky said:
Osaka clearly outplayed her, but it wasn't a good look for the US Open/game today. Unfortunate because Osaka really deserved all the accolades. Granted, if Osaka really wanted to avoid the controversy, she could have refused the Serena penalty and the powers be would have probably accepted to avoid a greater controversy.
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No way should Osaka show up the officials like that (or be asked to be put in a position to do that) .

The scale of this controversy is ultimately in Serena's hands and she can diffuse it if she wants to.
 
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HawkHusky said:
Osaka clearly outplayed her, but it wasn't a good look for the US Open/game today. Unfortunate because Osaka really deserved all the accolades. Granted, if Osaka really wanted to avoid the controversy, she could have refused the Serena penalty and the powers be would have probably accepted to avoid a greater controversy.
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There is no way in the world a shy inexperienced player could try to over-rule the umpire. Serena got what she deserved. If this was a baseball game Serena would have been long gone.

Then Serena has the gall to claim sexism at the press conference. Serena, smashed her racket, was coached and verbally abused the umpire. This has nothing to do with the men.
 
Again, I'm not defending Serena. It's a lose-lose situation for the Women's Tennis game.
 
It is much easier to be a gracious winner than a gracious loser.
 
I didn't watch the game so no position to say who is right but,

 
Checkmate said:
Her coach admitted he was signaling her (which is a rule violation) so her "team" was cheating. And Serena demanded an apology from the umpire. She was wrong and got what she deserved. Unfortunately, the incident overshadowed the great play of Naomi Oasaka.
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I can’t agree more.
 
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VAUConnFan said:
1. Serena was outplayed.
2. Serena got robbed.
3. Serena might have lost anyway, but we have seen her battle back countless times. At the time of the match penalty, they were on serve, basically tied. anyone's match.
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How was Serena robbed? Again, Serena smashed her racket, her coach sent signals, and she demanded an apology from the umpire when he was right. Then she gave the umpire #@%& and it was her "team" that cheated.
 
Checkmate said:
How was Serena robbed? Again, Serena smashed her racket, her coach sent signals, and she demanded an apology from the umpire when he was right. Then she gave the umpire #@%& and it was her "team" that cheated.
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1. Racket abuse, no dispute
2. Coaching? Is there anyone who believes Serena, a 23 time winner in the slams, has to cheat to win? That she really needs coaching in the middle of a match? If the call had been made previously against Serena and her coach, or if it is a commonly enforced infraction, or if it was an infraction that had been enforced in previous majors against other players, then I have no argument. However, that call at that moment was unprecedented. That was not the moment for the chair umpire to insert himself into this match.
3. To add insult to the injury he caused, the chair umpire, rather than walk away, rather than try to temper the situation, assesses a game penalty. For what?
4. Serena is already the most drug tested athlete on the tour. She has recently been informed that the outfit she wore at the French Open will no longer be allowed. She got seriously jobbed at the US Open in 2004, got called for a dubious foot fault at a critical juncture in 2009, had point taken away at a critical juncture for screaming while hitting a clear winner in 2011. Enough is enough.
 
I have witnessed (once in person) several prior Serena outbursts where I would have agreed with the negative views of her being expressed here but not this time.

First, I think chair umpire showed extremely bad judgment to give official warning to Serena on the coaching violation regardless of what Patrick Mouratoglou, her coach, admittedly was trying to signal to her because this was second set of a grand slam final and this violation is exceedingly rarely called even though coaching of this type is exceedingly common.

Second, chair umpire showed even worse judgment in taking away a game from Serena that thereby left her opponent one game away from winning the championship where Serena did not even use foul language.

Third, I will add that, in my view and it’s a view which I understand is not universal, there is no way a male player of a stature in the game equivalent to Serena Williams (and that really means only Federer) would have been formally warned for the coaching violation, much less had the penultimate game of a grand slam final awarded to his opponent for a verbal outburst that did not include any swearing.

Fourth, I think Serena showed great control in not simply walking away after the tournament referee refused to overrule the chair umpire decision to take away a game from her particularly when apparently many in her box were urging her to do just that.

Last, Serena showed class and dignity at the awards ceremony by telling the crowd to stop booing and to celebrate Naomi Osaka especially when, whatever one’s view of the merits, Serena clearly continued to believe in her own mind she had been unfairly and inequitably treated.
 
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VAUConnFan said:
1. Racket abuse, no dispute
2. Coaching? Is there anyone who believes Serena, a 23 time winner in the slams, has to cheat to win? That she really needs coaching in the middle of a match? If the call had been made previously against Serena and her coach, or if it is a commonly enforced infraction, or if it was an infraction that had been enforced in previous majors against other players, then I have no argument. However, that call at that moment was unprecedented. That was not the moment for the chair umpire to insert himself into this match.
3. To add insult to the injury he caused, the chair umpire, rather than walk away, rather than try to temper the situation, assesses a game penalty. For what?
4. Serena is already the most drug tested athlete on the tour. She has recently been informed that the outfit she wore at the French Open will no longer be allowed. She got seriously jobbed at the US Open in 2004, got called for a dubious foot fault at a critical juncture in 2009, had point taken away at a critical juncture for screaming while hitting a clear winner in 2011. Enough is enough.
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2 Serena was losing and her coach signaled her to go to the net. Yes, she needed coaching today.

3 For what? Verbal abuse, any other player would have been defaulted. There is no way Naomi could have done the same thing without the same or worse repercussions

4 So what. Playing the victim card is getting old. If Serena wants equality with the men then play 5 sets in 90+ degrees and 60%+ humidity
 
I'm sorry but I totally disagree with those most expressive here on this issue.
Naomi truly outplayed Serena most of the match. Instead of winning her first grand slam and being thrilled it will forever be shadowed by a lack of common sense and restraint by the judge. The fact that the referees come out and were seemingly helpless makes it even worse.
The coaching rule is rarely enforced and goes on all the time. Yes it's a rule and yes you have rules you should follow them! We'll surely most of the time but there's a great deal of judgement, common sense and thought that goes into enforcing any rule whether it be the head judge, a basketball referee, a policeman or a teacher.
Yes, she slammed and broke her racket breaking another rule. Which cost her a point. I have the least problem with this penalty although I wonder why a player whose probably a human being to show frustration. To defuse the situation had she been clearly warned then or as she became more verbally upset and confrontational with the ref and still continued then maybe, it would make a bit of sense.
Actually Serena afterwards handled this incredibly graciously realizing her opponent was crying and not able to enjoy her win. She asked the crowd to stop the booing which had become intense. And the fans stopped booing! A much more graceful and sensitive response than seen by others in stressful situations.
She's an incredibly talented, multifaceted, accomplished classy woman, who is now a mother and a role model. (Yes I know the response to this is going to be what type of role model breaks rules, rackets and us verbally angry and critical of the judge and jury in front of millions of people).
Speaking up firmly and clearly when something is perceived as wrong, is an important American value that too often one gets criticized for.
Let the game be played and won ON the court, not taken away. It was likely that Naomi Osaka would still have won, but do it. Serena has a very long history of comebacks so while unlikely she still might have won.
The worst part of this is Naomi Osaka's tremendous play and being ahead of probably the greatest woman of all time was tarnished by weak judgment and leadership. She is a very young 20 year old and seems kind of sweet, shy and reticent so while a better outcome was for her to refuse the penalty, that could only come with years of life experience and great personal strength. I don't in the least fault Naomi for that.
I lastly wonder what's behind some of the harsh comments of Serena Williams.
Any or all of you can like or hate my comments, but they need to be said!
Bronx23
 
VillageHusky said:
I have witnessed (once in person) several prior Serena outbursts where I would have agreed with the negative views of her being expressed here but not this time.

First, I think chair umpire showed extremely bad judgment to give official warning to Serena on the coaching violation regardless of what Patrick Mouratoglou, her coach, admittedly was trying to signal to her because this was second set of a grand slam final and this violation is exceedingly rarely called even though coaching of this type is exceedingly common.

Second, chair umpire showed even worse judgment in taking away a game from Serena that thereby left her opponent one game away from winning the championship where Serena did not even use foul language.

Third, I will add that, in my view and it’s a view which I understand is not universal, there is no way a male player of a stature in the game equivalent to Serena Williams (and that really means only Federer) would have been formally warned for the coaching violation, much less had the penultimate game of a grand slam final awarded to his opponent for a verbal outburst that did not include any swearing.

Fourth, I think Serena showed great control in not simply walking away after the tournament referee refused to overrule the chair umpire decision to take away a game from her particularly when apparently many in her box were urging her to do just that.

Last, Serena showed class and dignity at the awards ceremony by telling the crowd to stop booing and to celebrate Naomi Osaka especially when, whatever one’s view of the merits, Serena clearly continued to believe in her own mind she had been unfairly and inequitably treated.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly!
A champion should be decided on the field of play! If U Conn loses a game let alone a championship on a horrible call, most of the same ones here castigating her would be in an uproar.
This 2018 Women's US Open championship will forever be marred. And the biggest stain is on the judge, the leadership of the tennis organization not Serena Williams.
Also I'd bet my last dollar this would never be done to a top male player from the beginning of the incident until the end.
I could go on and on, and bring this into a lot of other related issues, which will only lead me to be suspended from this site.
In summary, Serena was not cheating or trying to gain any advantage and if there was any fault in her part at all, is she verbally stood up for herself.
Beonx23
 
Checkmate said:
There is no way in the world a shy inexperienced player could try to over-rule the umpire. Serena got what she deserved. If this was a baseball game Serena would have been long gone.

Then Serena has the gall to claim sexism at the press conference. Serena, smashed her racket, was coached and verbally abused the umpire. This has nothing to do with the men.
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I didn't see what she did, but my guess is the noise wasn't affecting her, but the delays were.

As for Serena, I've met her several times, and she is one of the few down to earth players who is anything but a prima donna off the court. I'm not sure what got into her yesterday, and she was wildly out of line. But that shouldn't define her as a person, or a player. My guess is she'll appologize privately, the publicly.
 
VillageHusky said:
Last, Serena showed class and dignity at the awards ceremony by telling the crowd to stop booing and to celebrate Naomi Osaka especially when, whatever one’s view of the merits, Serena clearly continued to believe in her own mind she had been unfairly and inequitably treated.
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I have a little trouble stomaching all the praise for Serena on this point. It seems like calming the crowd and focusing the spotlight on Osaka was the least Serena could do given the role she played in the whole nasty spectacle.

For as much as the umpire is the villain here, he didn't break Serena's racket. She is at least partly to blame here so to me her actions at the awards ceremony amount to little more than basic decency.
 
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