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You could probably come up w/those stats for most positions -hence the recruitng frenzy in the SE, TX, and CA. CFB has moved south.

Besides, its always dangerous to pull one year and make a case around it . Look at the top WR prospects for this year - it is littered with names like Ok State, ND, Wis., Rutgers, Iowa, Ill., OU, WMU, Mich., MSU, and OhSt.

Is it a challenge to get kids from FL to go to school at UConn, maybe. But it's merely a challenge, there is no reason this staff can't get the players it feels it needs to implement the schemeds they want.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Weather is a factor, but it is a small factor. It's fair to say it has a bigger impact on how well we recruit WR than OL. It's likely to be more accurate to say the prior coaching staff was the real reason we couldn't recruit WR (and QB), we'll find out in the next few recruiting classes. It's cold and snows in Cincinatti, we should be able to get a guy like Armon Binns.
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Apparently some recent respondents missed this comment and are taking my posts out of context, so I'm reposting what I said very early on in the discussion.
 
gioff23 said:
You could probably come up w/those stats for most positions -hence the recruitng frenzy in the SE, TX, and CA. CFB has moved south.
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I don't believe the numbers are as skewed toward when it comes to RBs, OL, or QB, but I'm not sure. The Big 10 seems to produce a lot of NFL O-Lineman for example.
 
The point is, weather shmeather. Go get some recruits. Rutgers does, and their recruiting advantages over us are minimal.
 
NutmegState said:
The point is, weather shmeather. Go get some recruits. Rutgers does, and their recruiting advantages over us are minimal.
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Well if we're going to just ignore any obstacle to success then there's no reason we shouldn't go 13-0 every year and win national championships. Competition shmompetition, go win games.

For the 4th or 5th time, we can, should, and (IMO) will do better recruiting WR with the new staff. It is possible to agree that we must do better, while acknowledging why it's more difficult here than other places.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
Well if we're going to just ignore any obstacle to success then there's no reason we shouldn't go 13-0 every year and win national championships. Competition shmompetition, go win games.
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Yeah, that's the same thing as saying "If Rutgers (Big East, Northeast, Cold weather) can recruit playmakers at WR, so can we". Nice leap.
 
NutmegState said:
Yeah, that's the same thing as saying "If Rutgers (Big East, Northeast, Cold weather) can recruit playmakers at WR, so can we". Nice leap.
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And saying it's more difficult here than elsewhere is the same thing as saying "we can't recruit wide receivers". (no matter how many times and how many ways I said we can, should, and probably will do better).

Nice leap.
 
By the way, 8 of Rutgers' 12 wide receivers come from the state of New Jersey. Think that helps them recruit WR?

and about 54 players on their team come from New Jersey. Think it makes recruiting a little bit easier when you don't have to leave your state to fill out half your roster?

Minimal recruiting advantages? Sure, ignore the fact NJ pumps out way more talent than CT as if that doesn't help Rutgers.

http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster.asp
 
WingU-Conn said:
And saying it's more difficult here than elsewhere is the same thing as saying "we can't recruit wide receivers". (no matter how many times and how many ways I said we can, should, and probably will do better).

Nice leap.
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Randy Edsall sucked at recruiting WR's and QB's. It did not have anything to do with the weather. He just sucked at that portion of his job.
 
NutmegState said:
Randy Edsall sucked at recruiting WR's and QB's. It did not have anything to do with the weather. He just sucked at that portion of his job.
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for the THIRD TIME

WingU-Conn said:
Weather is a factor, but it is a small factor. It's fair to say it has a bigger impact on how well we recruit WR than OL. It's likely to be more accurate to say the prior coaching staff was the real reason we couldn't recruit WR (and QB), we'll find out in the next few recruiting classes. It's cold and snows in Cincinatti, we should be able to get a guy like Armon Binns.
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NutmegState said:
Randy Edsall sucked at recruiting WR's and QB's. It did not have anything to do with the weather. He just sucked at that portion of his job.
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And we have a winner! Couldn't agree more. HCPP better be BETTER at signing playmakers. UConn's offense couldn't have been more boring this season and what's worse, at times was outscored by the defense.
 
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What a strange discussion. There's two simple facts. You need to recruit players. You need to have a system of playing the game. If your system is going to involve the passing game, you better go get players that can QB the offense, throw, and players that can run routes and catch at your level of competition. Vice versa. If you go out and recruit players that have the ability to QB the offense, throw and run routes and catch at your level fo competition, then your system better involve using them.

Since Orlovsky graduated, and until Pasqualoni showed up, there has been nothing consistent about our passing game on either fact. Recruiting players and/or having a system that adequately uses them. We've flipped and flopped between so called "desired" offensive styles, and aside from running the ball, haven't really done much well at all in the passing game for several years.

It's going to change, and we've got the people right now on the sidelines and on the field to make it happen. Got to have those scholarship athletes step up to the plate though, and get the job done.
 
WingU-Conn said:
By the way, 8 of Rutgers' 12 wide receivers come from the state of New Jersey.
and about 54 players on their team come from New Jersey.
Minimal recruiting advantages? Sure, ignore the fact NJ pumps out way more talent than CT as if that doesn't help Rutgers.

http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster.asp
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Tim Brown - FL
Tres Moses - FL
Kenny Britt - NJ
Tiquan Underwood - NJ
Mohammed Sanu - NJ
Mark Harrison - CT
Brandon Coleman - MD (I'm projecting a bit, but I think he's going to be very good)

I'm talking about in recent years, not just in one given season. They have consistently been putting very good receivers on the field for nearly a decade. Some of those players are from NJ, and some are not. Yes, I agree that Rutgers has a recruiting advantage over us, when it comes to landing NJ kids, but let's not pretend that all of their successful receivers are or have been from NJ.
 
NutmegState said:
Tim Brown - FL
Tres Moses - FL
Kenny Britt - NJ
Tiquan Underwood - NJ
Mohammed Sanu - NJ
Mark Harrison - CT
Brandon Coleman - MD (I'm projecting a bit, but I think he's going to be very good)

I'm talking about in recent years, not just in one given season. They have consistently been putting very good receivers on the field for nearly a decade. Some of those players are from NJ, and some are not. Yes, I agree that Rutgers has a recruiting advantage over us, when it comes to landing NJ kids, but let's not pretend that all of their successful receivers are or have been from NJ.
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No, only half.

Sounds familiar. You said something about half of WRs being from non-bcs schools earlier, what was it? ;)
 
NutmegState said:
Tim Brown - FL
Tres Moses - FL
Kenny Britt - NJ
Tiquan Underwood - NJ
Mohammed Sanu - NJ
Mark Harrison - CT
Brandon Coleman - MD (I'm projecting a bit, but I think he's going to be very good)

I'm talking about in recent years, not just in one given season. They have consistently been putting very good receivers on the field for nearly a decade. Some of those players are from NJ, and some are not. Yes, I agree that Rutgers has a recruiting advantage over us, when it comes to landing NJ kids, but let's not pretend that all of their successful receivers are or have been from NJ.
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Great point. Better recruiting on UConn's part should solve most of the dilemmas of the QB & WR positions. It's a problem that has got to be solved.
 
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noeynox said:
Randy is that you? That is a hell of a recruiting pitch and probably what Randy told Aaron Hernandez. Just kidding. Get me a Marcus Easly type every other recruiting class and we should be good to go. Can't be that hard to find. The kid walked on for crying out loud.
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This is where you can actually make a comment about statistics.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.218823,-73.013547
 
WingU-Conn said:
Like I told the broken record.

I don't work for UConn, I'm not a recruiter for UConn, it's not my responsiblity to pitch UConn. Unfortunately it's frowned up on on this board, but forgive me for telling the truth.

http://www.chinstrapninjas.com/2011-nfl-draft-all-28-wide-receivers-drafted/

21 of 28 came from "warm" weather schools. The 7 that didn't?

Boise St x2
Pitt
Indiana
Mount Union (OH)
Nebraska
Colorado

The other 21?
Georgia
Alabama
UNC
Maryland
Kentucky
Miami
SDSU x2
Troy
Georgia
Abilene Christian (TX)
Hawaii x2
Tennessee
TCU
Stanford
ECU
SMU
USC x2
West Texas A&M
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Did you really just classify Maryland as a "Warm Weather School"? Is that you Randy? :D
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
Did you really just classify Maryland as a "Warm Weather School"? Is that you Randy? :D
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Did you see the quotes I put on warm?

"warm" as in relative to UConn, yes, it's warm. relative to Florida, no it's not. But we're using UConn as the baseline in comparisons, not Florida.
 
Three star Kashif Moore (New Jersey) was a better WR than four star Dwayne Difton (Floriduh).

Marcus Easley is a Connecticut product through and through.

When we get good QB play, like we did for a time in 2009, all of the sudden our WRs look competent. The fact is, receivers catch more balls when more catchable passes are made.
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
Did you really just classify Maryland as a "Warm Weather School"? Is that you Randy? :D
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Lexington, Kentucky is hardly "warm" from October on. There isn't much difference in weather between Lexington, Louisville and Indianapolis.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
for the THIRD TIME
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Disagree that it was recruiting. He either never could develop the passing game or just ignored/gave up on it. He was dealt a good hand with Brown and Todman and just rode it. We never had any intention to throw the ball vertically.

It was apparent when we got rid of Dennis Brown See below.

2005 Season
Forced into action to start against Rutgers (Oct. 22) and West Virginia (Nov. 2) due to injuries to both Matt Bonislawski and D.J. Hernandez, becoming the third Husky signal caller to make their first career start in UConn's first seven games … Played admirably in a pair of losses, completing 28-of-54 passes for 293 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions … His 51.9% completion percentage led the team … Had a 102.24 efficiency rating … Was 10-for-19 at West
Virginia for 97 yards with one interception while under heavy pressure throughout the game … Made his collegiate debut against Rutgers and nearly led UConn to victory, completing 18 of his 35 passes for 196 yards with two touchdowns and one interception.
 
Not exactly true. We did have a vertical passing threat under Edsall. key word - threat. Key missing words, is that the threat became progressively smaller and smaller as the years went by. THe pass routes where there. But it was all based on the running game, and play action and building a pass attack off the running game.

You can do it the other way, pass to run, and there are many times when you go up against a team, and based on teh strenghts and weaknesses of that team, it's exactly what you should do. Edsall's teams over time stopped doing that, and we ran the ball into whatever front the defense gave, and then took shots down the field in increasingly feeble attempts. My opinion is that Edsall just stopped game planning that way, because he felt like the players wouldn't get the job done.

We game planned both ways in 2011, running to pass, and passing to run, and the players were put in position to succeed.
 
rich1122 said:
Disagree that it was recruiting. He either never could develop the passing game or just ignored/gave up on it. He was dealt a good hand with Brown and Todman and just rode it. We never had any intention to throw the ball vertically.

It was apparent when we got rid of Dennis Brown See below.

2005 Season
Forced into action to start against Rutgers (Oct. 22) and West Virginia (Nov. 2) due to injuries to both Matt Bonislawski and D.J. Hernandez, becoming the third Husky signal caller to make their first career start in UConn's first seven games … Played admirably in a pair of losses, completing 28-of-54 passes for 293 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions … His 51.9% completion percentage led the team … Had a 102.24 efficiency rating … Was 10-for-19 at West
Virginia for 97 yards with one interception while under heavy pressure throughout the game … Made his collegiate debut against Rutgers and nearly led UConn to victory, completing 18 of his 35 passes for 196 yards with two touchdowns and one interception.
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I'd respond with facts that disprove your opinion, (see Cody Endres) but you seem to think "we got rid of Dennis Brown" so I think I would be wasting my time. We got rid of Dennis Brown the same way we got rid of Michael Box, by granting their transfer requests.
 
WingU-Conn said:
I'd respond with facts that disprove your opinion, (see Cody Endres) but you seem to think "we got rid of Dennis Brown" so I think I would be wasting my time. We got rid of Dennis Brown the same way we got rid of Michael Box, by granting their transfer requests.
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He was shown the door without any competition whatsoever. Tyler was given the keys which was a mistake in my opinion. Brown did better in his first two games starting than just about anybody - including Tyler. Brown demonstrated that he could play in a real game, complete real passes and make real touchdowns. Mr. Box, however, never demonstrated such.
 
rich1122 said:
He was shown the door without any competition whatsoever. Tyler was given the keys which was a mistake in my opinion. Brown did better in his first two games starting than just about anybody - including Tyler. Brown demonstrated that he could play in a real game, complete real passes and make real touchdowns. Mr. Box, however, never demonstrated such.
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LMAO. We went from 2-5 to 5-2 and a share of the conference crown the time that Tyler was given the car keys. And, that year, he performed well. That's really your gripe? And some of you wonder why there are those of us who get tired of Edsall being criticized for Obamacare and the NRA?
 
Dennis Brown? The same Dennis Brown who's Norfolk State teams were beyond terrible? Yeah, he was probably the answer.
 
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