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ZooCougar said:
College football is artificially stratified. And we are now on the wrong side of that stratification, the difference between the haves and have nots will be learnt by all of us in the next few seasons.
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I agree that the perception of level of stratification of competition level in college football is artificial. It is because it is articifical that until proven otherwise, I'm going to take a glass half full look on this issue rather than your half empty look.

To date, for the AAC, our media revenue streams around sports are complete , but we're going to have exposure, and the opportunity to change that in the future - so as to approach the artificial stratifications of competition level, and we need to actually go through some recruiting cycles and seasons on the field to see where we actually stand in the real stratifications of competition level.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This is what baffles me about you. You agree with me that the AAC is a loser, but you don't want to do anything creative to get out of the AAC. The ACC and Big 10 are not inviting us as full members anytime soon. I think the Big East would take us, and I think we could at least have a discussion with the ACC about a basketball only membership to give them 16 teams for hoops. Both situations would increase our television revenue by over 100%. Or we could stay in an AAC that we all agree is doomed for failure.
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How else do we fill the schedule? How do we get into bowls.

The AAC is the least worst option.
 
Carl Spackler said:
The fallacy in what you're saying about basketball is that the Big East - what it was - no longer exists. Comparing where we are at now, to the old big east doesn't work. YOu need to compare to what exists - we've earned equal tournament credits as the ACC. With no Big East on top anymore, the only basketball conference that has not elevated itself with that void - is the ACC. The AAC is on equal footing with the ACC when it comes to the NCAA tournament. That's got to really irk some people - but it's reality through the first season of existence. The other 'P5' conferences (I hate that - but it's quicker than typing them all) have all stepped up a bit in basketball because the Big East is no longer there, and the AAC with it's huge bridge top to bottom sits right there in the mix.

The AAC conference in basketball has a large divide between the top and bottom. But once again, establishing the actual level of competition in the sport in any intercollegiate sports (not the fan bases and revenue streams - actual competition level) is about RECRUITING. I think it's clear that the top of the AAC can compete with the best and win. I think that it's a travesty that SMU was kept out of this year's tournament, and UCONN is living proof what being snubbed can do for motivation. Watch out for SMU next year. Louisville is gone, and somebody will need to step up to fill their spot on the top of the standings. There are young coaches, and respected basketball people in this league.

UCONN basketball - without a doubt has done what needed to be done to help this conference grow, and what the guys did this spring, will help bridge that recruiting gap in the conference very quickly - as long as the coaches and adminstrations at each school are able and committed to do it. So far - it seems to be the case.

Football is a different story, but football, will be entering it's first true season as an AAC entity this fall. We'll have a lot more to go on in a year from now - but so far it's a good start. UCF represented well (on the field) - as did the rest of the programs already in and coming. (We sucked - but we'll change that)

Last year it was AAC in name only, operating under the last year of the Big East contracts.
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Carl, you're great on football, but this is 1000 miles off on basketball. The ACC and AAC are very, very far apart. NCAA credits from one year are a meaningless measuring stick. The ACC has Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia and even the lower tiered programs at NC State, GT, and Wake have had tremendous seasons over the years and most have won national championships. The AAC has UConn, Cinci and Memphis. The rest is flotsam and jetsam. The credit situation that occurred this year will never happen again. The AAC isn't even in the ballpark of the ACC, which has 4 of 10 from the recent list of 10 top programs. The AAC has one...UConn. Nobody else is even in the ballpark.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
And Nelson still avoids the scheduling issue as well as the bowl game issue.
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Avoid vs. ignore. There really isn't as thin a line as one may think.

His only answer is that scheduling is easy and bowl games lose money. Of course he can't prove that scheduling is easy any more than you can definitively prove otherwise (Strawman). Presumably neither has, nor have ever, been an Athletic Director. And of course Bowls lose money for the individual schools. Of course this is correct, except for the fact that making gobs of money are not exactly their intent (Strawman #2).

To be perfectly honest, his perfect scenario actually came to fruition the last three years. UConn was allocated their share of bowl revenue from the Big East/AAC, but didn't have to expend any money themselves. Well guess what, If UConn goes independent, even that revenue stream vanishes. Independent teams don't have guaranteed bowl tie-ins and if an Independent has a losing record, there is no allocation at all.
 
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Hold on a second. So Navy is joining the AAC in football ONLY. Why do we believe that the AAC wouldn't accept a UConn football-only arrangement? 40k stadium, NYC market. UConn in ACC for all sports except football, request scheduling agreement to play annual games against ACC teams, next team in guarantee. AAC for football with bowl berth availability and some cash from football. Shoot, we'll throw in home & homes with two AAC team per year (hello Memphis and Temple) while the arrangement is in place. The move guarantees us an extra 5 mil or so per year, plus ACC bball credits. Huge upgrade in schedules for all other sports. If you don't think this arrangement is better than current state you're nuts.
 
FAIRTIDES said:
If UCONN is, as we all (in our hubris) want to believe, the AAC raison d’être, why on earth would the conference or it's TV "partner" agree to a deal that allows it's number-one attraction to do it's own TV deal?
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See Boise St. That is exactly what happened in the MW when Boise flirted with the BE. Dont' say it 's impossible, it's already happened once. I think you could put Notre Dame in that category as well. The ACC was willing to make a special deal so ND would park the rest of it's sports in the ACC but have it's own TV deal. So actually it's happened twice already.
 
Blue whale said:
Extremely annoying thread as usual...Stop bringing this crap up...not one P5 conference is going to take anyone unless its for all sports.
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Umm Notre Dame is a partial member of a power conference without football.
 
Husky25 said:
Avoid vs. ignore. There really isn't as thin a line as one may think.

His only answer is that scheduling is easy and bowl games lose money. Of course he can't prove that scheduling is easy any more than you can definitively prove otherwise (Strawman). Presumably neither has, nor have ever, been an Athletic Director. And of course Bowls lose money for the individual schools. Of course this is correct, except for the fact that making gobs of money are not exactly their intent (Strawman #2).

To be perfectly honest, his perfect scenario actually came to fruition the last three years. UConn was allocated their share of bowl revenue from the Big East/AAC, but didn't have to expend any money themselves. Well guess what, If UConn goes independent, even that revenue stream vanishes. Independent teams don't have guaranteed bowl tie-ins and if an Independent has a losing record, there is no allocation at all.
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False. See Notre Dame and BYU.
http://college-football.si.com/2013/11/06/byu-play-poinsettia-bowl-2016-2018/
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/19544866

So you dont' thin UConn could make a deal to play in the Pinstripe bowl every year if they were eligible? I think it's at least a possibility. Nobody really wants that bowl because it's in NY and cold that time of year.

As far as the losing record, it doesn't matter if you are indy or in a conference, if you have a losing record you dont' go to a bowl. Not sure what your point was on that one.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Carl, you're great on football, but this is 1000 miles off on basketball. The ACC and AAC are very, very far apart. NCAA credits from one year are a meaningless measuring stick. The ACC has Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia and even the lower tiered programs at NC State, GT, and Wake have had tremendous seasons over the years and most have won national championships. The AAC has UConn, Cinci and Memphis. The rest is flotsam and jetsam. The credit situation that occurred this year will never happen again. The AAC isn't even in the ballpark of the ACC, which has 4 of 10 from the recent list of 10 top programs. The AAC has one...UConn. Nobody else is even in the ballpark.
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Houston has some BB history, Phi Slama Jama. Not to mention a Heisman and past FB success. SMU also has a Heisman and multiple NC's in FB. In the SWC they were both successful schools.
 
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Teams receive a share of aggregate net bowl proceeds. If a team is independent, that revenue stream is not available to them.

Football-wise, UConn is not Notre Dame or BYU.
 
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okielite said:
As far as the losing record, it doesn't matter if you are indy or in a conference, if you have a losing record you dont' go to a bowl. Not sure what your point was on that one.
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Try to keep up. Schools within a conference, even if they have losing record, share in the contract bowl revenue collected by the conference. You obviously disagree with this statement or you didn't comprehend what he was saying.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Carl, you're great on football, but this is 1000 miles off on basketball. The ACC and AAC are very, very far apart. NCAA credits from one year are a meaningless measuring stick. The ACC has Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia and even the lower tiered programs at NC State, GT, and Wake have had tremendous seasons over the years and most have won national championships. The AAC has UConn, Cinci and Memphis. The rest is flotsam and jetsam. The credit situation that occurred this year will never happen again. The AAC isn't even in the ballpark of the ACC, which has 4 of 10 from the recent list of 10 top programs. The AAC has one...UConn. Nobody else is even in the ballpark.
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Look, I completely understand perception vs. reality. I understand sports and I know that I cna't break down a basketball game film for the life of me. Don't know the sport that way. But sports are sports, and building successful teams is bulding successful teams whether it be a football team, a unit within a football team, a basketball team, a department in a business structure or a military combat unit.

I do agree that one season does not make a trend, I've noted that before - when it comes to this year's tourney and how different conferences performed, but when you've only got one season of results to look at, you don't ignore them because it's only one season. The Big East left a huge void at the top when it comes to teh tourney. The Big 10, Pac 12, Big 12 and SEC all took a step up to fill the void. The AAC and ACC are basickally on the same ground through one men's b-ball post season of existence. How do you know it's fluke? You don't. Just like I don't know if it will continue or not - it's prediction from this point on. Here's mine:

I honestly don't give a crap about what happened last season - or years before. It's about what are you going to do now? I don't know alot about hoops except I love watching the Huskies win. What I do understand about basketball is that making money, and parity and opportunity in the basketball post season is determined by committee, and the AAC as a basketball conference when it comes to what are you going to do now, moving forward, the only true weak spot, is our representation in that kind of committee decision making. I don't care about the traditions of all those basketball programs. Their past. It's about moving forward, and I believe that all the pieces are in place, for this new conference to build and be successful. It's a matter of going out and doing it now. I believe that.

I also would rather be doing it with a new team(conference) arrangment that involved PSU, Maryland, UNiverstiy of New Jersey and the rest of the Big 10, but that's not reality.
 
itgoeslike said:
Try to keep up. Schools within a conference, even if they have losing record, share in the contract bowl revenue collected by the conference. You obviously disagree with this statement or you didn't comprehend what he was saying.
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I don't think the money from bowls in the AAC will amount to much to be concerned with. It is likely that most of the bowls the conference gets will not carry the huge payouts that bowls like Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Playoffs. That is not being mean, it's being real. By the time you pay for travel expenses and possibly paying for your allocation of tickets, then split it up between teams there will not be much left. Imagine last year without the Fiesta.

SCHEDULE
GAME
SITE
PER TEAM PAY-OUT DATE
TIME
TV PRIMARY
CHOICES
(as of 6/8/13) PAIRINGS
(Click link for team picks, results)
New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM
$456,250 12/21/13
2:00pm
ESPN MWC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #7 Colorado State (8-6) 48,
Washington State (6-7) 45
Computer Pick: Colorado State by 2.86
Las Vegas Bowl
Las Vegas, NV
$1,100,000 12/21/13
3:30pm
ABC MWC #1
vs.
PAC-12 #5 USC (10-4) 45,
Fresno State (11-2) 20
Computer Pick: USC by 0.24
Famous Idaho Potato
Boise, ID
$325,000 12/21/13
5:30pm
ESPN MWC #6
vs.
MAC #3 San Diego State (8-5) 49,
Buffalo (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Buffalo by 2.54
New Orleans
New Orleans, LA
$500,000 12/21/13
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #1
vs.
CUSA #7 Louisiana-Lafayette (9-4) 24,
Tulane (7-6) 21
Computer Pick: Louisiana-Lafayette by 3.66
Beef 'O' Brady's
St. Petersburg, FL
$537,500 12/23/13
2:00pm
ESPN American #6
vs.
CUSA #5 East Carolina (10-3) 37,
Ohio (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: East Carolina by 10.32
Hawai'i
Honolulu, HI
$650,000 12/24/13
8:00pm
ESPN *-Hawaii or MWC #5
vs.
CUSA #2 Oregon State (7-6) 38,
Boise State (8-5) 23
Computer Pick: Boise State by 1.60

Little Caesars Pizza
Detroit, MI
$750,000 12/26/13
6:00pm
ESPN MAC #2
vs.
Big 10 #8 Pittsburgh (7-6) 30,
Bowling Green (10-4) 27
Computer Pick: Bowling Green by 13.00
Poinsettia
San Diego, CA
$500,000 12/26/13
9:30pm
ESPN MWC #2
vs.
*-Army Utah State (9-5) 21,
Northern Illinois (12-2) 14
Computer Pick: Utah State by 4.04
Military Bowl
Annapolis, MD
$1,000,000 12/27/13
2:30pm
ESPN ACC #8
vs.
CUSA #6 or MAC Marshall (10-4) 31,
Maryland (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: Marshall by 12.58
Texas-(1)
Houston, TX
$1,700,000 12/27/13
6:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #6
vs.
Big 12 #6 Syracuse (7-6) 21,
Minnesota (8-5) 17
Computer Pick: Minnesota by 5.74
Fight Hunger Bowl-(3)
San Francisco, CA
$837,500 12/27/13
9:30pm
ESPN PAC-12 #6
vs.
*-BYU or ACC #9 Washington (9-4) 31,
BYU (8-5) 16
Computer Pick: Washington by 2.60
Pinstripe
Bronx, NY
$1,800,000 12/28/13
12:00pm
ESPN American #4
vs.
Big 12 #7 Notre Dame (9-4) 29,
Rutgers (6-7) 16
Computer Pick: Notre Dame by 17.80
Belk
Charlotte, NC
$1,700,000 12/28/13
3:20pm
ESPN American #3
vs.
ACC #5 North Carolina (7-6) 39,
Cincinnati (9-4) 17
Computer Pick: North Carolina by 0.63
Russell Athletic
Orlando, FL
$2,275,000 12/28/13
6:45pm
ESPN American #2
vs.
ACC #3 Louisville (12-1) 36,
Miami, Fla. (9-4) 9
Computer Pick: Louisville by 5.29
Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl
Tempe, AZ
$3,325,000 12/28/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #4
vs.
Big 10 #5 Kansas State (8-5) 31,
Michigan (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: Kansas State by 0.42
Armed Forces
Ft. Worth, TX
$600,000 12/30/13
11:45am
ESPN MWC #3
vs.
*-Navy or CUSA #3 Navy (9-4) 24,
Middle Tennessee (8-5) 6
Computer Pick: Navy by 4.45
Music City
Nashville, TN
$1,862,500 12/30/13
3:15pm
ESPN ACC #6
vs.
SEC #7 Mississippi (8-5) 25,
Georgia Tech (7-6) 17
Computer Pick: Georgia Tech by 4.63
Alamo
San Antonio, TX
$3,175,000 12/30/13
6:45pm
ESPN Big 12 #3
vs.
PAC-12 #2 Oregon (11-2) 30,
Texas (8-5) 7
Computer Pick: Oregon by 7.01
Holiday
San Diego, CA
$2,075,000 12/30/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #5
vs.
PAC-12 #3 Texas Tech (8-5) 37,
Arizona State (10-4) 23
Computer Pick: Arizona State by 10.88
AdvoCare V100 Bowl-(2)
Shreveport, LA
$1,150,000 12/31/13
12:30pm
ESPN SEC #10
vs.
ACC #7 Arizona (8-5) 42,
Boston College (7-6) 19
Computer Pick: Arizona by 12.27
Sun
El Paso, TX
$2,000,000 12/31/13
2:00pm
CBS ACC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #4 UCLA (10-3) 42,
Virginia Tech (8-5) 12
Computer Pick: UCLA by 6.38
Liberty
Memphis, TN
$1,437,500 12/31/13
4:00pm
ESPN SEC #8 or #9
vs.
CUSA #1 Mississippi State (7-6) 44,
Rice (10-4) 7
Computer Pick: Mississippi State by 3.15
Chick-fil-A
Atlanta, GA
$3,967,500 ACC; $2,932,500 SEC 12/31/13
8:00pm
ESPN ACC #2
vs.
SEC #5 Texas A&M (9-4) 52,
Duke (10-4) 48
Computer Pick: Texas A&M by 8.48
Heart Of Dallas
Dallas, TX
$1,100,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-U CUSA #4
vs.
Big 10 #7 North Texas (9-4) 36,
UNLV (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: North Texas by 8.13
Gator
Jacksonville, FL
$2,725,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-2 Big 10 #4
vs.
SEC #6 Nebraska (9-4) 24,
Georgia (8-5) 19
Computer Pick: Georgia by 10.57
Outback
Tampa, FL
$3,500,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ABC ^-SEC #3, or #4
vs.
Big 10 #3 LSU (10-3) 21,
Iowa (8-5) 14
Computer Pick: LSU by 10.45
Capital One
Orlando, FL
$4,250,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #2
vs.
SEC #2 South Carolina (11-2) 34,
Wisconsin (9-4) 24
Computer Pick: South Carolina by 0.41
Rose
Pasadena, CA
$18,000,000 1/1/14
5:00pm
ESPN BCS (Big 10 tie-in)
vs.
BCS (PAC-12 tie-in) Michigan State (13-1) 24,
Stanford (11-3) 20
Computer Pick: Stanford by 7.77
Fiesta
Glendale, AZ
$18,000,000 1/1/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (Big 12 tie-in) UCF (12-1) 52,
Baylor (11-2) 42
Computer Pick: Baylor by 15.10
Sugar
New Orleans, LA
$18,000,000 1/2/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (SEC tie-in) Oklahoma (11-2) 45,
Alabama (11-2) 31
Computer Pick: Alabama by 2.93
Cotton
Arlington, TX
$3,625,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
Fox ^-SEC #3 or #4
vs.
Big 12 #2 Missouri (12-2) 41,
Oklahoma State (10-3) 31
Computer Pick: Oklahoma State by 7.29
Orange
Miami, FL
$18,000,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (ACC tie-in) Clemson (11-2) 40,
Ohio State (12-2) 35
Computer Pick: Ohio State by 4.80
BBVA Compass Bowl
Birmingham, AL
$1,000,025 SEC; $900,000 AAC 1/4/14
1:00pm
ESPN American #5
vs.
SEC #8 or #9 Vanderbilt (9-4) 41,
Houston (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Houston by 0.95
GoDaddy.com
Mobile, AL
$750,000 1/5/14
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #2
vs.
MAC #1 Arkansas State (8-5) 23,
Ball State (10-3) 20
Computer Pick: Ball State by 8.31
BCS Championship
Pasadena, CA
$22,000,000 1/6/14
8:20pm
ESPN BCS #1
vs.
BCS #2 Florida State (14-0) 34,
Auburn (12-2) 31
Computer Pick: Florida State by 16.67
 
ZooCougar said:
No, you see you are going in circles again. UConn is not worth 2 million. And if that were the case, then Iowa State is worth as much as Texas.

You do understand that we have other sources of revenue right?
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I completey agree that some teams are worth more than others. I don't think Uconn is worth 2 million either. I think that is the average and some schools in the conference are not worth 2 million from a TV and FB focused contract. I think UConn is likely subsidising 1 or more teams.

What do you think that value number is for UConn?

To be fair I will say that I don't beleive OSU is worth the conference average of 20 million for T-1/2 TV contract. I'd guess somewhere around 13-17 but that number is growing with things like winning the conference, BCS games, being in the cotton bowl, beating Texas several times the last few years, playing SEC team at neutral site last year and playing FSU to start this season off we are getting some good TV matchups. I believe the Big 12 has indicated that there is not a team available that would keep our payout the same and that one of the closest teams is BYU. I beleive BYU has a deal with ESPN for around 6-8million depending on the year. Plus whatever they get for the WCC for thier other sports which I doubt amounts to much.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...ght-Year-TV-Deal-For-Home-Football-Games.aspx

DEAL DELIVERS MONEY, EXPOSURE: In Sale Lake City, Michael Lewis writes under the header, "New TV Deal Gives Cougars National Exposure They Crave." Financial terms were not disclosed, but sources indicated that BYU "could reap between $800,000 and $1.2 million per home game -- considerably more" than the $1.3-1.5M the school "earned annually from the Mountain West's television arrangement."
 
Responding to multiple questions:

1) The $2MM/team net worth - to be honest, I think this conference should have gotten a much bigger deal, but it inherited the Big East's Right of First Refusal. This was quite possibly the stupidest strategic move the conference has made, and there have been some pretty stupid moves. If Aresco and the Presidents had thought about this situation for more than 10 seconds, they would have refused the NBC and ESPN offers, and not had the conference sign a television package at all. Just be a scheduling alliance, and let the schools control their own TV rights, with the ability to syndicate them back to a national network. It would have gotten the schools a better payout on average than $2MM, and just the threat of it would have gotten a better deal out of ESPN.

Right now the AAC is basically giving its content away. Exposure is nice, but you can't pay coaches with exposure.

2) Schedule - The obsession with scheduling reflects narrow thinking by simple minds. With the playoff, schools and conferences as a whole will be penalized for scheduling FCS schools. There will be a lot of open slots on schedules as a result, and there will be an incentive to schools to schedule quality OOC games. With all of that extra demand for opponents, UConn should be able to put together an Independent Schedule.

3) Bowls - This is not a reason to do or not do anything. Are people really saying they would pass up a superior basketball conference, for both men and women, and millions of dollars of incremental revenue, for the right to play a bowl game on 12/27 in Tampa?
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Responding to multiple questions:

1) The $2MM/team net worth - to be honest, I think this conference should have gotten a much bigger deal, but it inherited the Big East's Right of First Refusal. This was quite possibly the stupidest strategic move the conference has made, and there have been some pretty stupid moves. If Aresco and the Presidents had thought about this situation for more than 10 seconds, they would have refused the NBC and ESPN offers, and not had the conference sign a television package at all. Just be a scheduling alliance, and let the schools control their own TV rights, with the ability to syndicate them back to a national network. It would have gotten the schools a better payout on average than $2MM, and just the threat of it would have gotten a better deal out of ESPN.

Right now the AAC is basically giving its content away. Exposure is nice, but you can't pay coaches with exposure.

2) Schedule - The obsession with scheduling reflects narrow thinking by simple minds. With the playoff, schools and conferences as a whole will be penalized for scheduling FCS schools. There will be a lot of open slots on schedules as a result, and there will be an incentive to schools to schedule quality OOC games. With all of that extra demand for opponents, UConn should be able to put together an Independent Schedule.

3) Bowls - This is not a reason to do or not do anything. Are people really saying they would pass up a superior basketball conference, for both men and women, and millions of dollars of incremental revenue, for the right to play a bowl game on 12/27 in Tampa?
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If you have medication, check to make sure your prescription is up to date and you've taken it properly, and go to bed. Please.
 
I agree to some degree but to be honest schools like Tulane or Tulsa have little interest in thier own state and I can't imagine that they have any real value to TV partners. That has to drag the average down. I also agree that ESPN screwed the AAC in more ways than one. They told the ACC whihc teams to take to kill what was once a solid conference.

As far as bowls I could see a Pinstripe bowl deal with BYU and UConn being possible, it makes sense in many ways.
 
okielite said:
I don't think the money from bowls in the AAC will amount to much to be concerned with. It is likely that most of the bowls the conference gets will not carry the huge payouts that bowls like Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Playoffs. That is not being mean, it's being real. By the time you pay for travel expenses and possibly paying for your allocation of tickets, then split it up between teams there will not be much left. Imagine last year without the Fiesta.

SCHEDULE
GAME
SITE
PER TEAM PAY-OUT DATE
TIME
TV PRIMARY
CHOICES
(as of 6/8/13) PAIRINGS
(Click link for team picks, results)
New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM
$456,250 12/21/13
2:00pm
ESPN MWC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #7 Colorado State (8-6) 48,
Washington State (6-7) 45
Computer Pick: Colorado State by 2.86
Las Vegas Bowl
Las Vegas, NV
$1,100,000 12/21/13
3:30pm
ABC MWC #1
vs.
PAC-12 #5 USC (10-4) 45,
Fresno State (11-2) 20
Computer Pick: USC by 0.24
Famous Idaho Potato
Boise, ID
$325,000 12/21/13
5:30pm
ESPN MWC #6
vs.
MAC #3 San Diego State (8-5) 49,
Buffalo (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Buffalo by 2.54
New Orleans
New Orleans, LA
$500,000 12/21/13
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #1
vs.
CUSA #7 Louisiana-Lafayette (9-4) 24,
Tulane (7-6) 21
Computer Pick: Louisiana-Lafayette by 3.66
Beef 'O' Brady's
St. Petersburg, FL
$537,500 12/23/13
2:00pm
ESPN American #6
vs.
CUSA #5 East Carolina (10-3) 37,
Ohio (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: East Carolina by 10.32
Hawai'i
Honolulu, HI
$650,000 12/24/13
8:00pm
ESPN -Hawaii or MWC #5
vs.
CUSA #2 Oregon State (7-6) 38,
Boise State (8-5) 23
Computer Pick: Boise State by 1.60

Little Caesars Pizza
Detroit, MI
$750,000 12/26/13
6:00pm
ESPN MAC #2
vs.
Big 10 #8 Pittsburgh (7-6) 30,
Bowling Green (10-4) 27
Computer Pick: Bowling Green by 13.00
Poinsettia
San Diego, CA
$500,000 12/26/13
9:30pm
ESPN MWC #2
vs.
-Army Utah State (9-5) 21,
Northern Illinois (12-2) 14
Computer Pick: Utah State by 4.04
Military Bowl
Annapolis, MD
$1,000,000 12/27/13
2:30pm
ESPN ACC #8
vs.
CUSA #6 or MAC Marshall (10-4) 31,
Maryland (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: Marshall by 12.58
Texas-(1)
Houston, TX
$1,700,000 12/27/13
6:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #6
vs.
Big 12 #6 Syracuse (7-6) 21,
Minnesota (8-5) 17
Computer Pick: Minnesota by 5.74
Fight Hunger Bowl-(3)
San Francisco, CA
$837,500 12/27/13
9:30pm
ESPN PAC-12 #6
vs.
-BYU or ACC #9 Washington (9-4) 31,
BYU (8-5) 16
Computer Pick: Washington by 2.60
Pinstripe
Bronx, NY
$1,800,000 12/28/13
12:00pm
ESPN American #4
vs.
Big 12 #7 Notre Dame (9-4) 29,
Rutgers (6-7) 16
Computer Pick: Notre Dame by 17.80
Belk
Charlotte, NC
$1,700,000 12/28/13
3:20pm
ESPN American #3
vs.
ACC #5 North Carolina (7-6) 39,
Cincinnati (9-4) 17
Computer Pick: North Carolina by 0.63
Russell Athletic
Orlando, FL
$2,275,000 12/28/13
6:45pm
ESPN American #2
vs.
ACC #3 Louisville (12-1) 36,
Miami, Fla. (9-4) 9
Computer Pick: Louisville by 5.29
Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl
Tempe, AZ
$3,325,000 12/28/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #4
vs.
Big 10 #5 Kansas State (8-5) 31,
Michigan (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: Kansas State by 0.42
Armed Forces
Ft. Worth, TX
$600,000 12/30/13
11:45am
ESPN MWC #3
vs.
-Navy or CUSA #3 Navy (9-4) 24,
Middle Tennessee (8-5) 6
Computer Pick: Navy by 4.45
Music City
Nashville, TN
$1,862,500 12/30/13
3:15pm
ESPN ACC #6
vs.
SEC #7 Mississippi (8-5) 25,
Georgia Tech (7-6) 17
Computer Pick: Georgia Tech by 4.63
Alamo
San Antonio, TX
$3,175,000 12/30/13
6:45pm
ESPN Big 12 #3
vs.
PAC-12 #2 Oregon (11-2) 30,
Texas (8-5) 7
Computer Pick: Oregon by 7.01
Holiday
San Diego, CA
$2,075,000 12/30/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #5
vs.
PAC-12 #3 Texas Tech (8-5) 37,
Arizona State (10-4) 23
Computer Pick: Arizona State by 10.88
AdvoCare V100 Bowl-(2)
Shreveport, LA
$1,150,000 12/31/13
12:30pm
ESPN SEC #10
vs.
ACC #7 Arizona (8-5) 42,
Boston College (7-6) 19
Computer Pick: Arizona by 12.27
Sun
El Paso, TX
$2,000,000 12/31/13
2:00pm
CBS ACC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #4 UCLA (10-3) 42,
Virginia Tech (8-5) 12
Computer Pick: UCLA by 6.38
Liberty
Memphis, TN
$1,437,500 12/31/13
4:00pm
ESPN SEC #8 or #9
vs.
CUSA #1 Mississippi State (7-6) 44,
Rice (10-4) 7
Computer Pick: Mississippi State by 3.15
Chick-fil-A
Atlanta, GA
$3,967,500 ACC; $2,932,500 SEC 12/31/13
8:00pm
ESPN ACC #2
vs.
SEC #5 Texas A&M (9-4) 52,
Duke (10-4) 48
Computer Pick: Texas A&M by 8.48
Heart Of Dallas
Dallas, TX
$1,100,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-U CUSA #4
vs.
Big 10 #7 North Texas (9-4) 36,
UNLV (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: North Texas by 8.13
Gator
Jacksonville, FL
$2,725,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-2 Big 10 #4
vs.
SEC #6 Nebraska (9-4) 24,
Georgia (8-5) 19
Computer Pick: Georgia by 10.57
Outback
Tampa, FL
$3,500,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ABC ^-SEC #3, or #4
vs.
Big 10 #3 LSU (10-3) 21,
Iowa (8-5) 14
Computer Pick: LSU by 10.45
Capital One
Orlando, FL
$4,250,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #2
vs.
SEC #2 South Carolina (11-2) 34,
Wisconsin (9-4) 24
Computer Pick: South Carolina by 0.41
Rose
Pasadena, CA
$18,000,000 1/1/14
5:00pm
ESPN BCS (Big 10 tie-in)
vs.
BCS (PAC-12 tie-in) Michigan State (13-1) 24,
Stanford (11-3) 20
Computer Pick: Stanford by 7.77
Fiesta
Glendale, AZ
$18,000,000 1/1/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (Big 12 tie-in) UCF (12-1) 52,
Baylor (11-2) 42
Computer Pick: Baylor by 15.10
Sugar
New Orleans, LA
$18,000,000 1/2/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (SEC tie-in) Oklahoma (11-2) 45,
Alabama (11-2) 31
Computer Pick: Alabama by 2.93
Cotton
Arlington, TX
$3,625,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
Fox ^-SEC #3 or #4
vs.
Big 12 #2 Missouri (12-2) 41,
Oklahoma State (10-3) 31
Computer Pick: Oklahoma State by 7.29
Orange
Miami, FL
$18,000,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (ACC tie-in) Clemson (11-2) 40,
Ohio State (12-2) 35
Computer Pick: Ohio State by 4.80
BBVA Compass Bowl
Birmingham, AL
$1,000,025 SEC; $900,000 AAC 1/4/14
1:00pm
ESPN American #5
vs.
SEC #8 or #9 Vanderbilt (9-4) 41,
Houston (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Houston by 0.95
GoDaddy.com
Mobile, AL
$750,000 1/5/14
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #2
vs.
MAC #1 Arkansas State (8-5) 23,
Ball State (10-3) 20
Computer Pick: Ball State by 8.31
BCS Championship
Pasadena, CA
$22,000,000 1/6/14
8:20pm
ESPN BCS #1
vs.
BCS #2 Florida State (14-0) 34,
Auburn (12-2) 31
Computer Pick: Florida State by 16.67
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You've answered my question, it's a comprehension thing. Starting this season the Group of 5 conferences will split 27% of the playoff deal, which amounts to nearly $20M per conference; plus the conference will net a "Fiesta Bowl" type payout should a team from their conference be selected as the G5 representative for the designated Elite Bowl, plus the conference will receive revenue from the 5-6 lesser contract bowls. Of course, this still amounts to a figure that is substantially less than a P5 conference payout. However, it's still likely that a team with a losing record in a G5 conference may net as much, or more from playoff/bowl revenue than a BYU appearance in the Poinsettia Bowl for 2016 and 2018 (what are they doing for 2017?). I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but what the poster said was accurate, you're just not utilizing all the data. Now, I'm going to go and enjoy UConn's two national championships in as many days. . .
 
itgoeslike said:
You've answered my question, it's a comprehension thing. Starting this season the Group of 5 conferences will split 27% of the playoff deal, which amounts to nearly $20M per conference; plus the conference will net a "Fiesta Bowl" type payout should a team from their conference be selected as the G5 representative for the designated Elite Bowl, plus the conference will receive revenue from the 5-6 lesser contract bowls. Of course, this still amounts to a figure that is substantially less than a P5 conference payout. However, it's still likely that a team with a losing record in a G5 conference may net as much, or more from playoff/bowl revenue than a BYU appearance in the Poinsettia Bowl for 2016 and 2018 (what are they doing for 2017?). I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but what the poster said was accurate, you're just not utilizing all the data. Now, I'm going to go and enjoy UConn's two national championships in as many days. . .
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Please go enjoy by all means. I think your calculator only works in +. Do you realize that schools lose money on bowls? Even FSU lost money in a BCS bowl becasue they got stuck with a non power opponent
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/355707-in-bowl-game-fsu-guaranteed-to-lose-money
Do you realize that travel expenses are substantial?
Having to eat ticket allotments cost big money?

Yes the non power conferences do get a door prize which still does not amount to substantial income for each school once it is divided up.
AAC will get competetion for that 1 possible spot, Northern Illionois, BYU, Fresno, Boise, etc... will have as good of a shot as AAC teams. In the end the Big bowls will do anything they can to not get stuck with a non power team because it costs them millions when they do.

Yes what the poster said was accurate, unfortunately it won't amount to more than a few million per team max. Your constant insults toward me are a pathetic attempt to make yourslef feel better becasue of self esteem issues, grow up and act like an adult. For the AAC confernece to profit 40+ million after all expenses is absolutely not realistic, likely be lucky to get half that as profit spread over 12 members. That's nothing in the big picture. BYU doesn't sit around and think that they would make more guaranteed bowl money in the MW. Heck they went from getting 1-2 millionper year to 800k to 1.2 million per game as an indy. Your point, well if you really are interested in securing that guaranteed AAC bowl money you should probably do nothing and stay put.

You need to calm down and relax. This is just a discussion, not worth getting worked up about and insulting people for no reason. Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?
 
okielite said:
Please go enjoy by all means. I think your calculator only works in +. Do you realize that schools lose money on bowls? Even FSU lost money in a BCS bowl becasue they got stuck with a non power opponent
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/355707-in-bowl-game-fsu-guaranteed-to-lose-money
Do you realize that travel expenses are substantial?
Having to eat ticket allotments cost big money?

Yes the non power conferences do get a door prize which still does not amount to substantial income for each school once it is divided up.
AAC will get competetion for that 1 possible spot, Northern Illionois, BYU, Fresno, Boise, etc... will have as good of a shot as AAC teams. In the end the Big bowls will do anything they can to not get stuck with a non power team because it costs them millions when they do.

Yes what the poster said was accurate, unfortunately it won't amount to more than a few million per team max. Your constant insults toward me are a pathetic attempt to make yourslef feel better becasue of self esteem issues, grow up and act like an adult. For the AAC confernece to profit 40+ million after all expenses is absolutely not realistic, likely be lucky to get half that as profit spread over 12 members. That's nothing in the big picture. BYU doesn't sit around and think that they would make more guaranteed bowl money in the MW. Heck they went from getting 1-2 millionper year to 800k to 1.2 million per game as an indy. Your point, well if you really are interested in securing that guaranteed AAC bowl money you should probably do nothing and stay put.

You need to calm down and relax. This is just a discussion, not worth getting worked up about and insulting people for no reason. Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?
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Hey, I am very relaxed. . .I'm curious. When people correct you or present an alternate perspective why do you call them pathetic and say they need to grown up? You've done it on nearly every thread. Also, all that other stuff you posted that had nothing to do with my post, I'll just ignore it. Lastly, my answer to the question you posed ("Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?") is Yes.
 
itgoeslike said:
Hey, I am very relaxed. . .I'm curious. When people correct you or present an alternate perspective why do you call them pathetic and say they need to grown up? You've done it on nearly every thread. Also, all that other stuff you posted that had nothing to do with my post, I'll just ignore it. Lastly, my answer to the question you posed ("Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?") is Yes.
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Calling someone names or insulting them on the internet is pathetic and childish behavior IMO. You don't see it that way, that 's fine.

All that other stuff I posted has everything to do with the discussion about bowl money. You don't like it because it proves that I am right and confirms that there will likely not be a huge AAC bowl payout every year. All bowl money is not proifit. Thanks for proving my point for me by dodging.
 
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okielite said:
Houston has some BB history, Phi Slama Jama. Not to mention a Heisman and past FB success. SMU also has a Heisman and multiple NC's in FB. In the SWC they were both successful schools.
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Yes, you essentially echoed my point. These are much stronger football schools. Houston's hoops success was short lived and a long time ago (SMU was briefly good as well...but not as good, with Jon K at center). I'm talking hoops, where they currently add almost nothing. I certainly remember James & Dickerson before SMU got the death penalty.
 
This is the 10th or more thread on the same topic and we are on 3 pages with this one, and the usual suspects have not come up with a single idea that will get UConn more money. Not one. All I see is excuses and attacks on anyone who has an idea. You guys literally have no plan at all other than to take a great UConn athletic program and keep it on a sinking ship while praying for a miracle.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This is the 10th or more thread on the same topic and we are on 3 pages with this one, and the usual suspects have not come up with a single idea that will get UConn more money. Not one. All I see is excuses and attacks on anyone who has an idea. You guys literally have no plan at all other than to take a great UConn athletic program and keep it on a sinking ship while praying for a miracle.
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I've told you before. I could see it happening IF Fox sends us to the Big East BBall conference for 5mill, gives us a similar deal for FB like ESPN gave BYU, at to be fair for like 4mil, with scheduling agreements with some of their football properties, and matches the 2mil the women get from SNY. A total package of about 11-13million a year and were in business. Call Fox up and see if they bite. Fox would be getting us at good price IMO. Just the buzz we would bring back to the Big East tournament should be worth it for them.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This is the 10th or more thread on the same topic and we are on 3 pages with this one, and the usual suspects have not come up with a single idea that will get UConn more money. Not one. All I see is excuses and attacks on anyone who has an idea. You guys literally have no plan at all other than to take a great UConn athletic program and keep it on a sinking ship while praying for a miracle.
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You started all 10 of them and each one is more ridiculous than the previous.
 
noeynox said:
I've told you before. I could see it happening IF Fox sends us to the Big East BBall conference for 5mill, gives us a similar deal for FB like ESPN gave BYU, at to be fair for like 4mil, with scheduling agreements with some of their football properties, and matches the 2mil the women get from SNY. A total package of about 11-13million a year and were in business. Call Fox up and see if they bite. Fox would be getting us at good price IMO. Just the buzz we would bring back to the Big East tournament should be worth it for them.
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We'll be making more money than that in AAC after the look in. That's more likely than giving UCONN FOOTBALL lol, a sweetheart deal. Translation, that's not going to happen.
 
ZooCougar said:
We'll be making more money than that in AAC after the look in. That's more likely than giving UCONN FOOTBALL lol, a sweetheart deal. Translation, that's not going to happen.
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Right. Because ESPN has been so generous with UConn athletics over the years.

ESPN will increase the revenue at the "look in" for one, and only one, reason: they have to. Otherwise we will be lucky if they do not make the contract worse. UConn or the AAC or both have to come up with a credible alternative to get ESPN to pay an extra nickel.

Or we could just hope for a miracle.
 
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