7 Kentucky players declare

[CallMeBruce]

Who exactly can enforce this?

Who enforces it in baseball?

 

[444JR]

All these HS recruits citing how many guys Cal got "drafted" seem to forget that for every Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins Calipari has worked with, he has also had a Marquis Teague, Archie Goodwin types. Hype and physical potential gets these guys drafted, yet maybe about half of them realistically have what it takes to get a decent second contract. Yet glitz and glamour will always beat out facts.

Archie has been coming into his own for the suns ever since they moved dragic and ennis. They brought in Brandon Knight but he's been hurt and is done for the season I believe.

 

[whaler11]

Who enforces it in baseball?

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

Well more technically, the MLBPA through their collective bargaining with MLB.

 

[CallMeBruce]

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

Well more technically, the MLBPA through their collective bargaining with MLB.

Well, there you go. That's probably a better deal for the NBA. The kids it wants right away, it gets, and for the rest of them, they develop for three years on somebody else's dime.

 

[whaler11]

Well, there you go. That's probably a better deal for the NBA. The kids it wants right away, it gets, and for the rest of them, they develop for three years on somebody else's dime.

I can't even believe I'm responding to this.

Who do you think created the one and dones?

Spoiler: The NBA.

So clearly they disagree with you.

 

[444JR]

Kentucky will immediately replenish their ranks now.. Check Diallo (McD's AA MVP) 6'9 forward had kentucky top of the list and said he was just waiting to see which players declared. Seems as though there is sufficient space now. Can't forget about thon maker either, kentucky loses three 7'footers and a 6'10 power forward. A front court of Labbisierre Maker and Diallo makes me sick. They signed the top ranked guard in Briscoe, bring back ulis (who is great) and are apparently going all in for newman. Booker for some reason said he would be recruiting him even after declaring for the draft. Not to mention the upperclassmen presence of Poythress and Lee. Hopefully Cal screws himself again like he did at his last two jobs

 

[Rocktheworld]

Might be the reality is that some of these kids may be heading to academic problems - the Harrisons probably slid by as much as possible because anyone in their right mind knows neither will be NBA material. My guess is that Cal is heading to the Cavs. LBJ loves Cal but then again no one has confused LBJ with an educated soul. I don't see Cal staying at Kentucky IF the Cavs job opens up. I never thought their current choice as HC in Cleveland was anything more than a 1 or 2 year filler until LBJ mandated his choice.

I wonder where LeBron would have gone on and done if he had to

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Kentucky will immediately replenish their ranks now.. Check Diallo (McD's AA MVP) 6'9 forward had kentucky top of the list and said he was just waiting to see which players declared. Seems as though there is sufficient space now. Can't forget about thon maker either, kentucky loses three 7'footers and a 6'10 power forward. A front court of Labbisierre Maker and Diallo makes me sick. They signed the top ranked guard in Briscoe, bring back ulis (who is great) and are apparently going all in for newman. Booker for some reason said he would be recruiting him even after declaring for the draft. Not to mention the upperclassmen presence of Poythress and Lee. Hopefully Cal screws himself again like he did at his last two jobs

Arkansas also added Jimmy "Buckets" & Teddy "Is Ready" Kapita. If Corliss talks Portis into staying at Arky then I am taking Arky as the clear fav over Kentucky any day of the week including Sunday. Even if by some miracle Cal lands ALL of the prospects you mention. Briscoe is no Booker. Also something tells me Newman may not buy into playing off the ball at all. He may initially make that sacrifice but I would watch out for some chemistry issues BTW TU & MN assuming they play on the same team. This year everyone bought in at Kentucky and they had a great season. That was an exceptional team.

 

[BlueMAB]

What about this?

They should allow the players to be drafted out of HS, or at any time, you don't have to declare. But what they have to do is get rid of guaranteed contracts. If the player opts for school then the player can go to (or stay in) school and the team retains the rights for up to 3 years. If, after any season, the team and the player feel he is ready, he can leave, but he'll have to earn his spot.

This way the Lebrons can go straight to the NBA. You'll get some one and done players but only because they are ready to leave and confident they'll earn a spot. You'll get some players, like Daniels last year, who can get drafted as a junior, come back and develop as a senior finish their degree, and then try to earn that spot. You'll get guys going to teams that can truly develop their talent. You'll inevitably end up with guys who don' t need college not making a mockery of it. Those who are unsure if they can earn that spot or not will have to continue to hit the books to stay eligible in school while they develop. Guys can have the security of a "preferred tryout" (guaranteed summer league spot/d league spot), while staying in school to earn their degree.

If a player is drafted but returns to/stays in school, he must remain academically eligible throughout the academic year, or the school will forfeit one scholarship for the next season, and the player is forced to pay a fine of 10% of his first contract to a reputable charity. So once you commit to school, you can't bail after the season, you have to finish that school year, and you're not eligible to play in the NBA until the summer league before the next season.

If you're drafted after exhausting your college eligibility, normal rules apply.

This system would be similar to baseball, except the teams retain rights. The NBA would have to beef up the D-League and add a round or two I think. One problem is how does a school manage scholarships? I think the easiest fix would be to keep the dates the same for declaring for the draft, except it would be declaring you're foregoing the rest of your eligibility.

So all the guys at Kentucky today, could have been drafted a year (or two) ago. The Harrison twins could stay, the guys worried about being second round picks could stay. The top talent in the country left undecided would have to pick among other schools. Maybe they have 10 draft picks on the roster, but only 5 are actually leaving. The other 5 are sticking around for a year or two.

I think this would be better for everyone.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

What about this?

They should allow the players to be drafted out of HS, or at any time, you don't have to declare. But what they have to do is get rid of guaranteed contracts. If the player opts for school then the player can go to (or stay in) school and the team retains the rights for up to 3 years. If, after any season, the team and the player feel he is ready, he can leave, but he'll have to earn his spot.

This way the Lebrons can go straight to the NBA. You'll get some one and done players but only because they are ready to leave and confident they'll earn a spot. You'll get some players, like Daniels last year, who can get drafted as a junior, come back and develop as a senior finish their degree, and then try to earn that spot. You'll get guys going to teams that can truly develop their talent. You'll inevitably end up with guys who don' t need college not making a mockery of it. Those who are unsure if they can earn that spot or not will have to continue to hit the books to stay eligible in school while they develop. Guys can have the security of a "preferred tryout" (guaranteed summer league spot/d league spot), while staying in school to earn their degree.

If a player is drafted but returns to/stays in school, he must remain academically eligible throughout the academic year, or the school will forfeit one scholarship for the next season, and the player is forced to pay a fine of 10% of his first contract to a reputable charity. So once you commit to school, you can't bail after the season, you have to finish that school year, and you're not eligible to play in the NBA until the summer league before the next season.

If you're drafted after exhausting your college eligibility, normal rules apply.

This system would be similar to baseball, except the teams retain rights. The NBA would have to beef up the D-League and add a round or two I think. One problem is how does a school manage scholarships? I think the easiest fix would be to keep the dates the same for declaring for the draft, except it would be declaring you're foregoing the rest of your eligibility.

So all the guys at Kentucky today, could have been drafted a year (or two) ago. The Harrison twins could stay, the guys worried about being second round picks could stay. The top talent in the country left undecided would have to pick among other schools. Maybe they have 10 draft picks on the roster, but only 5 are actually leaving. The other 5 are sticking around for a year or two.

I think this would be better for everyone.

I think a college players eligibility is to easily jeopardized within the context of the rules as applied today. We need to look closely at how we actually define "amateur status" and engage in intelligent conversation on the issue. Taking into consideration the parties who would take on that responsibility... leaves me pessimistic on coming to a reasonable resolution. Your post is interesting with many good points.

On that note I have passed my allotted # of posts for the week in 1 night. For that reason I am banning myself for a period of days starting right NOW!

Have a great week guys/girls .

 

[CallMeBruce]

I can't even believe I'm responding to this.

Who do you think created the one and dones?

Spoiler: The NBA.

So clearly they disagree with you.

Silver's already been talking about changing that rule. So, not so clear, I guess.

 

[BUConn10]

What about this?

They should allow the players to be drafted out of HS, or at any time, you don't have to declare. But what they have to do is get rid of guaranteed contracts. If the player opts for school then the player can go to (or stay in) school and the team retains the rights for up to 3 years. If, after any season, the team and the player feel he is ready, he can leave, but he'll have to earn his spot.

This way the Lebrons can go straight to the NBA. You'll get some one and done players but only because they are ready to leave and confident they'll earn a spot. You'll get some players, like Daniels last year, who can get drafted as a junior, come back and develop as a senior finish their degree, and then try to earn that spot. You'll get guys going to teams that can truly develop their talent. You'll inevitably end up with guys who don' t need college not making a mockery of it. Those who are unsure if they can earn that spot or not will have to continue to hit the books to stay eligible in school while they develop. Guys can have the security of a "preferred tryout" (guaranteed summer league spot/d league spot), while staying in school to earn their degree.

If a player is drafted but returns to/stays in school, he must remain academically eligible throughout the academic year, or the school will forfeit one scholarship for the next season, and the player is forced to pay a fine of 10% of his first contract to a reputable charity. So once you commit to school, you can't bail after the season, you have to finish that school year, and you're not eligible to play in the NBA until the summer league before the next season.

If you're drafted after exhausting your college eligibility, normal rules apply.

This system would be similar to baseball, except the teams retain rights. The NBA would have to beef up the D-League and add a round or two I think. One problem is how does a school manage scholarships? I think the easiest fix would be to keep the dates the same for declaring for the draft, except it would be declaring you're foregoing the rest of your eligibility.

So all the guys at Kentucky today, could have been drafted a year (or two) ago. The Harrison twins could stay, the guys worried about being second round picks could stay. The top talent in the country left undecided would have to pick among other schools. Maybe they have 10 draft picks on the roster, but only 5 are actually leaving. The other 5 are sticking around for a year or two.

I think this would be better for everyone.

This is said ad nauseum, yet people don't seem to realize why the current system is even in place. The one year minimum is set by the NBA, not the NCAA so all these people barking at Emmert to make changes are morons.

Basically, NBA GMs want their cake and to eat it too. They don't want to invest millions of guaranteed money and a top 5 pick on an unproven 18 year old high school kid who could very likely be a total bust (Eddie Curry, Kwame Brown). They'd much rather enforce a one year minimum, and monitor the same kid for a year at the college level with much more competition and competent coaching. This way they can take less risk on his drafting and no one else can have him either until he declares. It's the best of both worlds for the NBA, which is why I don't see much change forthcoming.

 

[Jerry1714]

I don't see the logic in Johnson and the Harrison twins declaring if they are projected 2nd round picks. Especially Johnson, with Cauley-Stein and Towns gone, he has a good chance to be the man at the #5 and could potentially catapult his stock.

Most scouts have said Johnson is what he is and do not think his stock can really rise. In fact, I think the less you see him the better for his stock.

 

[BUConn10]

Might be the reality is that some of these kids may be heading to academic problems - the Harrisons probably slid by as much as possible because anyone in their right mind knows neither will be NBA material. My guess is that Cal is heading to the Cavs. LBJ loves Cal but then again no one has confused LBJ with an educated soul. I don't see Cal staying at Kentucky IF the Cavs job opens up. I never thought their current choice as HC in Cleveland was anything more than a 1 or 2 year filler until LBJ mandated his choice.

I highly doubt Calipari leaves UK this year. The Cavs have made zero indication they are looking for a coach, and Cal has it made at UK. He can do no wrong in the eyes of the fans and media there, why leave? Whereas in the NBA he would be held to unreachable standards and the media would be the exact opposite to him as they are now. They would constantly hound him, stirring up drama, especially if he doesn't win big right away. All the Cal to NBA talk is just that, talk from people hoping he leaves.

 

[whaler11]

Silver's already been talking about changing that rule. So, not so clear, I guess.

LOL. Silver's proposed change is to increase the minimum age. So yes it's pretty clear the NBA and it's franchise owners don't want to draft high school players.

 

[sammydabiz]

I wonder where LeBron would have gone on and done if he had to

My guess: Ohio State (I think the squid was coaching in the NBA, at the time of LBJ's eligibility)

On another note:
Kobe stated he would of went to Duke
I think we had a chance with Garnett tho

 

[BlueMAB]

This is said ad nauseum, yet people don't seem to realize why the current system is even in place. The one year minimum is set by the NBA, not the NCAA so all these people barking at Emmert to make changes are morons.

Basically, NBA GMs want their cake and to eat it too. They don't want to invest millions of guaranteed money and a top 5 pick on an unproven 18 year old high school kid who could very likely be a total bust (Eddie Curry, Kwame Brown). They'd much rather enforce a one year minimum, and monitor the same kid for a year at the college level with much more competition and competent coaching. This way they can take less risk on his drafting and no one else can have him either until he declares. It's the best of both worlds for the NBA, which is why I don't see much change forthcoming.

I don't know if that first paragraph is directed at me or not, but I'm not one of those morons. It's part of the reason I don't think people should criticize the "faux" students at UK. Those guys never wanted to be students, they wanted to be pro basketball players, but their hands were forced.

I don't know if the current situation is really the best for the NBA. I think my suggestion is better. They can draft a player, let him develop (without paying him), then take him when he and they are ready. And that player doesn't have to go to Australia (a la Daniels), he can develop under better coaching and against better talent right here in the states. They can also keep an eye on him easier making sure he's staying out of trouble, etc. The fact they'd be required to continue to be students should help them mature as well. The bottom line is the NBA could get a better product coming out of HS/College with a system like this, meaning their product becomes more valuable, meaning they make more money. I think a larger obstacle would be the player's union not wanting to give up guaranteed contracts.

 

[sammydabiz]

Since I only really saw much of them during the tourney, can anyone who watched during the season fill me in on Booker? I really didn't see Booker do much that shows why he can jump to the NBA.

To me, he had/has one of the sweetest J's in college, just a straight sharpshooter. He may not be an above the rim ridiculous athlete, but he has a mean streak and is not afraid to get "dirty". In my opinion, he'll excel at the next level, I expected him to leave.

 

[Huskies4ever]

Let's not try to rationalize this okay?

Calipari has a better reputation among recruits than our guy, and we don't like him because of it. (Well, that and the sanctions he's left in his wake at every other stop)

But whether or not he's scum has nothing to do with 7 players declaring for the draft, or whether or not he gets undue credit for "getting" them in the league. He's not out there saying "these kids would never be in the league if it weren't for me". He's saying "come play for me before you go to the league". We had a down year, but we hold our own against them in regular season games, and own them in the tourney. Who cares what he says/does. We're UConn, we'll be fine.

I've been a UConn fan for nearly 25 years. I know of many of the shady things he's done since his days at UMass. He's got a reputation of being a better recruiter than anyone, and it's not all on the up and up, so to speak. That's had something to do with the sanctions. He is very arrogant and is a self-promoter who only cares about his brand, his name. He once referred to an NBA ref as a "Mexican idiot". He has books published about how great of a coaching god he is, and "coins" phrases "refuse to lose" (UMass), "one and done", and "succeed and proceed" (Kentucky). People here are alluding to these things, and the original post you responded to suggested he has pushed/forced some of his former recruits out in this mass exodus. Thus pondscum. He games the system. I'm happy "our guy" does not.

Let me ask you a question: Why do you not like him? Many here have reasons such as the ones stated above and others.

And, yes, I'm sure he feels he deserves credit for getting them into the league. His ego's that big.

 

[Eskapeesto]

Just caught highlights of their press conference and it was cringe-worthy. They did the whole "stand up if you're going to the NBA" thing and then hesitated, looking at each other before standing. Everything's gotta be a little show with UK.

The Squid either has them on a really tight leash and fed them a line or that's a real group of dullards. "Um, what he said. I'm just chasing my dreams," the same comment all down the line. Makes me appreciate more thoughtful and articulate guys like Bazz and Boat who expressed genuine insight and emotion in their remarks to the press.

 

[BUConn10]

I don't know if that first paragraph is directed at me or not, but I'm not one of those morons. It's part of the reason I don't think people should criticize the "faux" students at UK. Those guys never wanted to be students, they wanted to be pro basketball players, but their hands were forced.

I don't know if the current situation is really the best for the NBA. I think my suggestion is better. They can draft a player, let him develop (without paying him), then take him when he and they are ready. And that player doesn't have to go to Australia (a la Daniels), he can develop under better coaching and against better talent right here in the states. They can also keep an eye on him easier making sure he's staying out of trouble, etc. The fact they'd be required to continue to be students should help them mature as well. The bottom line is the NBA could get a better product coming out of HS/College with a system like this, meaning their product becomes more valuable, meaning they make more money. I think a larger obstacle would be the player's union not wanting to give up guaranteed contracts.

My post was not directed at you. I also think its the best possible solution to our current predicament. Yet, just to play devil's advocate, at the same time I feel like its not fair for the players, despite being the best for the sport and the viewers. Basketball, as a sport, is unique in that players are able to contribute at a relatively early age. Thus, if your suggestion were to be implemented, it could potentially tie up players who did not see themselves as "straight out of HS players" yet rose to the occasion once put on the big stage. These guys (think D'Angelo Russel) would have committed to a school, yet due to the rules in place, would be forced to forego 2 years of their potential NBA career because they committed to their university. This may not seem like much, yet the NBA thrives on youth, it also represents the potential loss of millions of dollars.

Thats why, although I think your suggestion of a "straight out of HS or 3 year minimum in college" requirement would vastly improve the college product, it would cause harm to several players per year. Thats why I think a slightly modified version of that is best: either declare for the draft right out of high school, or commit to a university and be required to stay at least 2 years. Many people compare basketball to football and baseball which have the 3 year minimum in college requirements (baseball DOES allow straight out of HS drafting, but its very rare), yet the games are fundamentally different. Baseball, and ESPECIALLY football players, are not physically ready for the pro games, thats why those systems have worked. Yet basketball is a game where a truly extraordinary phenom can come in and make a difference right away (think Kobe, LeBron, McGrady, Garnett, Howard, etc), thus complicating the situation.

 

[BUConn10]

Just caught highlights of their press conference and it was cringe-worthy. They did the whole "stand up if you're going to the NBA" thing and then hesitated, looking at each other before standing. Everything's gotta be a little show with UK.

The Squid either has them on a really tight leash and fed them a line or that's a real group of dullards. "Um, what he said. I'm just chasing my dreams," the same comment all down the line. Makes me appreciate more thoughtful and articulate guys like Bazz and Boat who expressed genuine insight and emotion in their remarks to the press.

THIS. This is the thing that irks me the most as a non-fan. Every single action has to be made into a spectacle. Yet the unfortunate reality is that this is the current world we live in, where flash outweighs true substance, where you sell the "sizzle", not the "steak". Calipari may be a total scumbag, POS, yet he knows EXACTLY what he is doing, to the point where even the players committing to him dont know the psychology behind their own actions. He knows what kind of world we live in, and he finally has the reigns to a blue blood program with blue blood resources, letting him take his plan to the maximum. Every word that comes out of Cal's mouth is a sales/marketing pitch to next year's recruits watching on TV.

 

[BlueMAB]

My post was not directed at you. I also think its the best possible solution to our current predicament. Yet, just to play devil's advocate, at the same time I feel like its not fair for the players, despite being the best for the sport and the viewers. Basketball, as a sport, is unique in that players are able to contribute at a relatively early age. Thus, if your suggestion were to be implemented, it could potentially tie up players who did not see themselves as "straight out of HS players" yet rose to the occasion once put on the big stage. These guys (think D'Angelo Russel) would have committed to a school, yet due to the rules in place, would be forced to forego 2 years of their potential NBA career because they committed to their university. This may not seem like much, yet the NBA thrives on youth, it also represents the potential loss of millions of dollars.

Thats why, although I think your suggestion of a "straight out of HS or 3 year minimum in college" requirement would vastly improve the college product, it would cause harm to several players per year. Thats why I think a slightly modified version of that is best: either declare for the draft right out of high school, or commit to a university and be required to stay at least 2 years. Many people compare basketball to football and baseball which have the 3 year minimum in college requirements (baseball DOES allow straight out of HS drafting, but its very rare), yet the games are fundamentally different. Baseball, and ESPECIALLY football players, are not physically ready for the pro games, thats why those systems have worked. Yet basketball is a game where a truly extraordinary phenom can come in and make a difference right away (think Kobe, LeBron, McGrady, Garnett, Howard, etc), thus complicating the situation.

I think you're misunderstanding.

I would allow any player to leave at any time. They just have to finish the school year if they start. So an HS senior could go straight to the league if drafted. Or could go after one year, 2 years, or their third year. If they don't go after their third year. The team loses the rights and they are back in the draft (or a free agent).

There is no minimum in college. But if you enroll as a freshman, you must finish that year in good standing. It's basically four one year contracts for your scholarship (which is basically what scholarships are anyway).

 

[huskyharry]

not sure about most but around the time of his commitment there was alot of talk about his guardian basically shopping him to the highest bidder, plus his guardian created his own school so that Skal could have a team to play on. I think he actually attends another school for academics tho, not 100% sure on that one.

The modus operandi is that they take all on-line courses in the spring semester. However, surely they would never give their usernames and passwords to others to finish their assignments for them would they?

 

[jayfromfla]

With all due respect, this is probably the dumbest idea I've heard in a long time.

The players are not allowed to go to the NBA. How are the schools abusing anything? The NBA is to blame here, punishing the schools because the NBA won't allow kids directly from HS is crazy.

Sorry but I thought the purpose of a university of college was to educate. I didnt think it was atraining camp for the NBA. NCAA claims it is about EDUCATION then be so. The primary goal is to lost here by bafoons who think the purpose of the University is stadium crowds for their sports teams

 

[jayfromfla]

I've been a UConn fan for nearly 25 years. I know of many of the shady things he's done since his days at UMass. He's got a reputation of being a better recruiter than anyone, and it's not all on the up and up, so to speak. That's had something to do with the sanctions. He is very arrogant and is a self-promoter who only cares about his brand, his name. He once referred to an NBA ref as a "Mexican idiot". He has books published about how great of a coaching god he is, and "coins" phrases "refuse to lose" (UMass), "one and done", and "succeed and proceed" (Kentucky). People here are alluding to these things, and the original post you responded to suggested he has pushed/forced some of his former recruits out in this mass exodus. Thus pondscum. He games the system. I'm happy "our guy" does not.

Let me ask you a question: Why do you not like him? Many here have reasons such as the ones stated above and others.

And, yes, I'm sure he feels he deserves credit for getting them into the league. His ego's that big.

Dont forget he was an Assistant at Pittsburgh when they had problems. The one thig Calapari is great at is standing in the middle of a pigpen and being able to keep from stinking while others do!!!!

 

[Kitaman]

I just don't understand how he gets all this credit for developing these kids.

Cal doesn't claim to develop any of these kids, what his narrative is that 'if you come to uk, you will get drafted' or 'garner NBA interest'. Simply put uk is an NBA farm.

The better the team plays the more scouts in attendance (very attractive to a starry eyed, cocky teenager). Remember he brought in the NBA Scouts during pre-season practice. As much as I don't care for Cal there is no doubt he is the greatest college basketball hustler of all time. He has found a way to make a whole lot of money and exploit the system and kids, but make it look like its all good. Being undefeated only buffered him and postponed any massive criticism. Not sure if we will ever see another coach like him.

Me personally I respect 'legitimate' hustlers, but that's more my lifestyle than anything else.

 

[Danzz]

Kentucky is losing 7 players to the NBA and they are still ranked #1 in preseason poles. Pretty amazing actually.

 

[BlueMAB]

Sorry but I thought the purpose of a university of college was to educate. I didnt think it was atraining camp for the NBA. NCAA claims it is about EDUCATION then be so. The primary goal is to lost here by bafoons who think the purpose of the University is stadium crowds for their sports teams

You can neither spell buffoons right, nor use proper grammar. This conversation is clearly over your head troll.

 

[pnow15]

I don't see the logic in Johnson and the Harrison twins declaring if they are projected 2nd round picks. Especially Johnson, with Cauley-Stein and Towns gone, he has a good chance to be the man at the #5 and could potentially catapult his stock.

Kentucky only has two years worth of fake classes. They had to go now.