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#6 Mississippi St @ South Florida - 12/05/20

Lol. Welp. Karma.

I love Coach McCray, but I was rooting for the upset. Especially after the way a few of the State fans here jumped in on the “I hate SC” train and relished in our loss a few days ago.

Am I salty? LOL, yep.
 
SCGamecock said:
Lol. Welp. Karma.

I love Coach McCray, but I was rooting for the upset. Especially after the way a few of the State fans here jumped in on the “I hate SC” train and relished in our loss a few days ago.

Am I salty? LOL, yep.
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Just curious here...... who did that? I don't think it was me.
 
donalddoowop said:
I think that is a weakness in her game, dribbling with her back to the basket. How can she see the whole court? She is effective but I think her handle is not very strong if she has to do that. I believe most coaches would prefer their point guard dribble facing the defense, maybe.
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Umm, so 14 points, 11 rebounds and 9 Assists vs. 3 assists for the entire MSU team? Give me that weakness EVERY TIME. :rolleyes:
If you noticed, she only did the back to the defender when bringing the ball up the court to protect against the steal, once in the half court set, she did not do that.
 
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Well, while we are piling on, what about the 21 Turnovers? 3 assists to 21 turnovers...YIKES...:eek:

For comparison SC vs. NC State had 9 assists to 11 TOs.

Baylor had 20 assists to 16 TOs against USF as a direct correlation.

Eye test and stat test tells me SC is still far ahead of everyone in the SEC. Texas A&M, Kentucky, MSU and Arkansas will battle for the #2 SEC seed...He who turns the ball over the least will be the #2 seed...
 
DefenseBB said:
Well, while we are piling on, what about the 21 Turnovers? 3 assists to 21 turnovers...YIKES...:eek:

For comparison SC vs. NC State had 9 assists to 11 TOs.

Baylor had 20 assists to 16 TOs against USF as a direct correlation.

Eye test and stat test tells me SC is still far ahead of everyone in the SEC. Texas A&M, Kentucky, MSU and Arkansas will battle for the #2 SEC seed...He who turns the ball over the least will be the #2 seed...
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What makes me mad is that Smith and Egbo had 8 of the 16 turnovers. Egbo had 2 travels in the last minute and no one was around her. Lol I miss Lauren Cox
 
South Florida shot 6 out of 30 from 3s. With that many bricked shots and extra possessions for us to seize, we could've easily stolen that game away. Yet we couldn't beat a team that shot 6/30 from 3s.... lol. Imagine how happy Vic would be if Oregon shot like that in that game in Portland.
 
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Here's another crazy statistic:

We got 36 paint points, easily owned South Florida in the paint 36-14.

21 of our points from the line.... that's 57. That means we got only 6 points from the outside. 2 threes (Matharu and Cooks). Crazy.

Is it wishful thinking to think that a statistically horrible game like this won't ever happen again?

I mean... Cooks got 35 minutes and contributed to 3 points and 5 turnovers. Mingo-Young also a no show. Here is where depth is critical. If Wiggins and Godfrey were available earlier, we could've given them a try instead of trying to stubbornly win it on 2 struggling players.
 
donalddoowop said:
I think that is a weakness in her game, dribbling with her back to the basket. How can she see the whole court? She is effective but I think her handle is not very strong if she has to do that. I believe most coaches would prefer their point guard dribble facing the defense, maybe.
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I guess that was Gary Payton's weakness too! Watch footage of the GREAT Gary Payton, and tell me he didn't see the whole court.
 
First real test, FAILED! I did not see the game but stats looks like we folded under pressure. That is not to say USF is not a really good team but we missed a lot of free throws and in spite of our size we got beat on the boards. Hope the team comes our swinging in futures games and gets PHYSICAL!
 
Plebe said:
What. A. Game.

To be frank, it's poetic justice after some people heaped dismissiveness onto South Florida after they gave Baylor more than a good tussle.
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Surely your name isn't really Frank????
Good game analysis. I watched the game and was really impressed by the back and forth lead changes and how Jose and his team never gave up.
 
SimpleDawg said:
I mean... Cooks got 35 minutes and contributed to 3 points and 5 turnovers. Mingo-Young also a no show. Here is where depth is critical. If Wiggins and Godfrey were available earlier, we could've given them a try instead of trying to stubbornly win it on 2 struggling players.
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Didn't Rickea have 9 turnovers? If so, you are looking at two players that had 14 of the 21 turnovers. You've got to have some accountability for that with those players. It doesn't matter how much you score if you keep hurting your team like that. Rickea had a turnover problem last year that Vic never nipped in the bud. He allowed her a longer leash than some of the other players like Martharu that were yanked from the game at the slightest mistake.
 
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LoTrader said:
I guess that was Gary Payton's weakness too! Watch footage of the GREAT Gary Payton, and tell me he didn't see the whole court.
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I was not discussing Gary Payton. If I was coaching as soon as she turned her back I would tell my team to double team her. With her back to the basket, surrounded by two players with their arms up, it would be hard for her to see. Why would you even compare what a great pro guard did to what a college player who is not even an AA? However, it works for her and her coach and that is all that matters. When I coached, I did not allow my guards to dribble that way.
 
Centerstream said:
Surely your name isn't really Frank????
Good game analysis. I watched the game and was really impressed by the back and forth lead changes and how Jose and his team never gave up.
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Completely agreed. There were numerous times when the momentum swung heavily toward MSU and USF could have easily folded. This is actually the usual pattern when USF has played highly ranked teams (other than UConn), and it was how the Baylor game played out: they're typically very much in the game but just can't quite hold it together down the stretch.

But this team showed tremendous grit and heart to weather the momentum swings and not dwell on their own missed chances (those two missed FTs in the final minute of regulation could have been emotionally devastating).

This was USF's highest-ranked win in program history.

Congrats again to José, one of the good guys.

 
donalddoowop said:
I was not discussing Gary Payton. If I was coaching as soon as she turned her back I would tell my team to double team her. With her back to the basket, surrounded by two players with their arms up, it would be hard for her to see. Why would you even compare what a great pro guard did to what a college player who is not even an AA? However, it works for her and her coach and that is all that matters. When I coached, I did not allow my guards to dribble that way.
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Of course you dismiss the comparison to a player who played with his back to the basket, and was an assist monster. Point being, the kid is a point guard, and her stats (including turnovers) was stellar. She valued ball security, which is of utmost importance as a point guard. FYI, Gary Payton wasn't just a "pro" player. I'm sure Ralph Miller (the coach) and George Karl (the coach) told Gary he was wrong to dribble with his back to his defender.
 
Plebe said:
What. A. Game.

To be frank, it's poetic justice after some people heaped dismissiveness onto South Florida after they gave Baylor more than a good tussle.

Some even said it must've been "a mental thing" with Baylor, since of course there could be no plausible explanation in the physical realm for that game to have been competitive.

I guess that "mental" malaise has also afflicted the fortunes of MSU, karma being what it is. :cool: :D :rolleyes::p

This one goes out to all the USF haters, and they know who they are :)

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This is 2020.... I thought we named names in 2020.
 
MSUFan2003 said:
Didn't Rickea have 9 turnovers? If so, you are looking at two players that had 14 of the 21 turnovers. You've got to have some accountability for that with those players. It doesn't matter how much you score if you keep hurting your team like that. Rickea had a turnover problem last year that Vic never nipped in the bud. He allowed her a longer leash than some of the other players like Martharu that were yanked from the game at the slightest mistake.
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That's because she has to make all the plays due to her teammates not showing up. Rickea had one bad game - a statistical outlier - I doubt she'll have 9 turnovers again soon. In a game where everyone was bad, Rickea at least showed up, and that's better than not showing up at all. (Cooks, Mingo)
 
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Guys and ladies. It was State’s second game. Give some credit to USF. We will be fine. We played terrible, shot FT’s atrociously, had too many TO’s , gave up way too many offensive boards and lost in OT.

Again credit to USF, part of the reason we played poorly is because they are good team and earned the victory.

Had Vic been still here we might have still lost this game.

I am still excited about our team. We will get better from this game and experience.
But no need to put more emphasis on one game than necessary.
 
For those of us who frequent the BY and discuss our love of MSU openly then we have to be as gracious in defeat as victory. I didn't watch but read the recaps and talked with some friends. Bottom line is we were bad, USF was a little better and outplayed us. Cooks has to be a factor, Jackson can't have 9 TOs, and the team needs more than 3 assists.

In this warped and less than ideal year we just need to hope the team learns from this and shakes it off. There is time to pull it together and hopefully they will.
 
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