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Yes, engineering. Not sitting in a cubicle designing something then sending it off site to be built, he wants to be hands-on. He's thinking being a test or prototype engineer.

My daughter has is a CE from WPI. Her sister's boyfriend is working on his PHd in CE/Robotics. Very good school. A lot of programs with hands on work. I have seen some of the labs for mechanical engineering first hand. The IQP and MQP can be structured to add even more hands on depending what you want to do.

My daughter went from being one of the more geeky kids in her High School to one of the least geeky kids at WPI. She went from feeling a little outcast to being among a majority who were like her. A lot of kids at WPI who will never know what a pick-and-roll is, nor care.
 
However, I notice one school that is conspicuous by its absence - a small technical university just a bit beyond the edge of civilization in the great white north that features a hockey team in green and gold. You couldn't get him to consider dear old mom's alma mater and the charms of beautiful downtown Potsdam?
Clarkson is wrong for my son for the same reason it was wrong for me - too far from home and too isolated. The only things to do up at Clarkson outside of classes was go to frat beer blasts, attend hockey games, cajole someone into driving me up to Montreal or watch curling on Canadian TV. I was also dismayed to see Clarkson listed as third tier in competitive schools - a safety school for my son.
 
Clarkson is wrong for my son for the same reason it was wrong for me - too far from home and too isolated. The only things to do up at Clarkson outside of classes was go to frat beer blasts, attend hockey games, cajole someone into driving me up to Montreal or watch curling on Canadian TV. I was also dismayed to see Clarkson listed as third tier in competitive schools - a safety school for my son.

Wow. That sounds a lot like what we used to say about Clarkson and Potsdam when I was at RPI. Of course, they enjoyed making fun of Troy too. In general though, based on how you've described your son and assuming he gets test scores to match, it really would be a safety school for him. From the schools you listed I'd expect him to get into RPI, WPI, Northeastern and UConn (no guarantees for any of them, of course, since they are all very competitive) and have a legitimate chance to compete at the others - which is all anyone beyond a handful of Math and Physics Olympiad winners can claim. The acceptance rates are very low, but he's clearly qualified and you never know how his application might strike a handful of people on an admissions committee. Tell him to not be afraid to show who he really is on the applications and hope that when the committee is going through the process of assembling a diverse, but qualified class that they see how he can fit into the mosaic they are creating. Although they are putting together a student body for technical programs, admissions is as much of an art as it is a science.

A few other things that might be relevant and helpful:

1) I think engineering programs are moving back towards a more hands on approach. When I was in school it was more classroom oriented, but it produced a generation of engineers with less experience actually putting things together and learning how they work on the ground rather than in theory. There seems to be greater push for students to get into projects, research labs or industry to get that experience early. As Hank noted, WPI has always been known for a sort of hands on approach and Northeastern has built its name on the co-op program. However, schools like RPI and MIT also provide tremendous opportunities to engage in research and hands on work. In fact, at MIT there is so much research money floating around that almost any student that wants to engage in sponsored research under the UROP program can do so simply by asking. My daughter also did a summer research program at UConn and found a lot of interesting work going on in the engineering school there are well. Your son is very fortunate to have the skills and interest to fit into these trends.

2) I had a deal with my daughter that she could apply anywhere she wanted as long as UConn was on the list and then we'd see how the financial aspects played out. Generally, the better the perceived quality of the school/size of the endowment, the deeper the financial aid pockets, but there are exceptions. Not surprisingly, UConn would have been the cheapest option, but top tier schools offered the best need-based aid packages. Yale, which is putting a lot of money into engineering, has incredible financial aid. MIT followed not far behind. However, schools like RPI and WPI have performance-based aid that can close the gap. Your son should look into some of WPI's named scholarships - they can be quite lucrative. RPI offers the RPI Medal through many high schools. It goes to the top math/science student in the junior class and it's worth $15K/yr for 4 years. The high school makes the decision. My daughter got it at her school primarily because she asked for it since she was considering RPI. Most schools have a number of awards they can give their top students, but if a kid expresses an interest in one that carries a scholarship and just might use it (as opposed to giving it to someone that just sees it as another award to stockpile) then that may sway the decision. The school will probably be sending in their selection soon so if he's a junior he shouldn't be afraid to ask.

3) Although engineering students are certainly more geeky than most, every school on his list provides a number of non-geeky pursuits as well. We went to an admissions event for one top tier engineering school that basically bragged about how over the top geeky it was. My daughter, who like Hank's daughter recognized her geeky side, was still turned off by it. She said, "I may be part geek, but that's not all there is to me and I don't want to go somewhere that has that attitude." I thought that was very wise of her. She's having a great time participating in MIT's student run dance troupe and activities through her sorority and dorm. Having an engineering school background I'm sure you know this, but make sure your son is comfortable with what the school can provide for the rest of his interests - athletic, artistic, social, etc.

Good luck to him wherever he ends up. He's ahead of the curve.
 
My son is a senior at Holy Cross. His first day at school was so different than my daughters first day at WPI. At Holy Cross kids have one laptop and one printer and are not quite sure how to connect them. At WPI kids are trying to move in Server farms and questioning how much power the eight plugs in the room will support.

At UConn and Northeastern the engineering students are just a segment of the population on campus. Both also offer Division 1 sports. At WPI you have a small collection of non engineering kids but they are far from being the majority. They do offer a wide range of outside pursuits from sports to dance to music to acting etc. Some of the music programs are pretty good as so many of the gifted engineers have talents that translate well to music.

Unfortunately the decision often comes down to the total financial package. I know WPI is very aggressive going after the top kids. They are often even more aggressive with girls as they want to try to balance the ratios.

Holy Cross and WPI are about equidistant from my home. It is very nice having a 15 minute drive to drop them off and pick them up. My son's girlfriend is from the Philly area. I feel bad for her father and all the driving he has to do getting his daughter to school.
 
At UConn and Northeastern the engineering students are just a segment of the population on campus. Both also offer Division 1 sports.


As a UConn Eng alum, I think this is a huge positive for the school... UConn SoE offers high quality academics and many opportunities for students, but almost as important in my time at UConn was the time spent with non-engineers doing non-engineery things. I think that sometimes engineers can be rather myopic in their view of things, and that being surrounded by other students engaged in studies removed from engineering leads to the ability to see things in multiple ways, and a more well-rounded experience, which will serve anyone well after graduation.

Plus, I think bball games and trips (including Tampa for the '99 Final Four) were (and still are) a great counter balance for long days + nights in the lab/office.

Lastly, after lurking for months on this board, I can't believe my first comment is about engineering. SMH.
 
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I taught my son how to bake, how to shop wisely, how to create a resume and how to appreciate the finer points of a beautifully executed pick-and-roll. My husband taught him how to fish and how to pretend he doesn't know how to do housework.
lol....keep the husband away from him!
 
At UConn and Northeastern the engineering students are just a segment of the population on campus. Both also offer Division 1 sports.
Difference is, NU D1 sports are terrible, though it being a Beanpot school gives them one, sometimes two Mondays in February that are like none other. Go up Mass Ave, make a left, and you'll find better D1 sports! And a far better shot at two meaningful Mondays in February!
 
My daughter has is a CE from WPI. Her sister's boyfriend is working on his PHd in CE/Robotics. Very good school. A lot of programs with hands on work. I have seen some of the labs for mechanical engineering first hand. The IQP and MQP can be structured to add even more hands on depending what you want to do.

My daughter went from being one of the more geeky kids in her High School to one of the least geeky kids at WPI. She went from feeling a little outcast to being among a majority who were like her. A lot of kids at WPI who will never know what a pick-and-roll is, nor care.

Growing up in CT and going to school near Boston, didn't think living in outside Worcsester would be in my future. Lived here for almost 10 years. Great to see the cranes working again in Worcester. Between the new city sqare project, the mass college of pharmacy expansion, and WPI's investments in their bio-tech park and on campus, feels like Worcester has a lot going on right now.
 
My daughter has is a CE from WPI. Her sister's boyfriend is working on his PHd in CE/Robotics. Very good school. A lot of programs with hands on work. I have seen some of the labs for mechanical engineering first hand. The IQP and MQP can be structured to add even more hands on depending what you want to do.

My daughter went from being one of the more geeky kids in her High School to one of the least geeky kids at WPI. She went from feeling a little outcast to being among a majority who were like her. A lot of kids at WPI who will never know what a pick-and-roll is, nor care.
Glad to hear your daughter has found a great fit at WPI! As a WPI alum, your highlighting of the IQP and MQP warms my heart.
 
Growing up in CT and going to school near Boston, didn't think living in outside Worcsester would be in my future. Lived here for almost 10 years. Great to see the cranes working again in Worcester. Between the new city sqare project, the mass college of pharmacy expansion, and WPI's investments in their bio-tech park and on campus, feels like Worcester has a lot going on right now.
Very well said about Worcester. I loved my WPI experience (Class of '94) and that place, and Worcester in general, has expanded by leaps and bounds since that time.
 
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i went to fp. was 9k at start and ended just over 10k my 4 years there. but i had a nice little ship.
wneu was really good compared to the #'s from qu//shu thank god. it was where i could play baseball for me otherwise storrs was the pick.

what i want to know is what were the #'s for uconn the past couple years. how many more are there and if its a big move then the rankings prob get higher next year hugh? uconn on da rise...
Thanks for ending our run(endicott) last spring.
 
Difference is, NU D1 sports are terrible, though it being a Beanpot school gives them one, sometimes two Mondays in February that are like none other. Go up Mass Ave, make a left, and you'll find better D1 sports! And a far better shot at two meaningful Mondays in February!
For one school on Commonwealth Avenue it has been extremely meaningful for the past three years!
 
Growing up in CT and going to school near Boston, didn't think living in outside Worcsester would be in my future. Lived here for almost 10 years. Great to see the cranes working again in Worcester. Between the new city sqare project, the mass college of pharmacy expansion, and WPI's investments in their bio-tech park and on campus, feels like Worcester has a lot going on right now.
I have lived here for 26 years. Last place I ever expected to end up living. Great city that does not get as much good press as it should. Great Schools, restaurants and entertainment. Hanover Theater is a magnificent venue!
 
This topic made it over to Rutgers fan forum. Rutgers received 31,000 applications for 6,000 slots. Apparently Rutgers doesn't put much emphasis on recruiting out of state students. There is talk that Rutgers might reduced the size of future freshmen classes to become more competitive.
 
My son is starting to look at colleges. Given his grades (4.0+ GPA) and class standing (top 6%), he's being encouraged to apply to the Most Competitive colleges (he's looking at MIT, RPI and Brown) and Highly Competitive colleges (UConn, WPI and Northeastern). The guidance counselor suggested he pick a safety school, too, as UConn is not a safety school, even for a kid like my son.

I graduated from RPI in early 90's, BU was my safety school ;). Last I checked, it was 4x the cost of the in-state tuition at Uconn. It is not 4x the education for.most majors. If I had to choose today, it would be no contest, unless I was going to study something specific (certain Comp Sci disciples ,MechE, AeroE, BioEng) that they are very strong in.

I work with a lot of Uconn grads, some are good and some aren't, but I am of the opinion that their college choice had little effect on that.

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Students and their parents really have to look at the total cost of attendance, not just tuition rates. They should also pursue multiple options and see how the aid picture plays out, particularly for the middle class. The wealthy don't care because they can afford any option and the poor will generally get a nearly full ride anywhere they are accepted. For the middle class each school's perception of need can vary significantly and what they offer can also vary depending on their financial aid budget and how significantly they want a particular student. There's no doubt that an RPI, WPI, MIT, etc. have higher price tags, but parents shouldn't be afraid to push their case with the financial aid office if there is a disconnect. Once they know the bottom line they can make the best decision. Fortunately, all of the schools Nan listed can provide a quality education if the student makes the most of the opportunity. However, they vary significantly in the quality of specific programs, culture, environment, etc. Hopefully, students can find a solid mix of affordability and desirability based on what is important to them.
 
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I graduated from the SOE at UConn in 09. UConn definitely provides some balance to the pure engineering (There was maybe 1 girl in my Computer Science classes so I picked up a Psych minor). All the schools listed are obviously great and you will get a lot out of them. I would say that UConn provides opportunities to obtain a lot but you have to do some of the leg work yourself. Engage with professors, apply to work on research problems, etc. UConn is also doing better at partnering with local businesses in order to apply engineering principles to real world problems. Can't go wrong with any of the schools listed from an engineering perspective. I can tell you though that I always dreaded playing WPI in Club Soccer, a waste of a drive to Worcester to beat a team 14 or 15 to nothing.
 
I graduated from the SOE at UConn in 09. UConn definitely provides some balance to the pure engineering (There was maybe 1 girl in my Computer Science classes so I picked up a Psych minor). All the schools listed are obviously great and you will get a lot out of them. I would say that UConn provides opportunities to obtain a lot but you have to do some of the leg work yourself. Engage with professors, apply to work on research problems, etc. UConn is also doing better at partnering with local businesses in order to apply engineering principles to real world problems. Can't go wrong with any of the schools listed from an engineering perspective. I can tell you though that I always dreaded playing WPI in Club Soccer, a waste of a drive to Worcester to beat a team 14 or 15 to nothing.

From my experience most of the males at WPI would not have had the thought or motivation to have picked up a class that contained females.
 
I graduated from RPI in early 90's, BU was my safety school ;). Last I checked, it was 4x the cost of the in-state tuition at Uconn. It is not 4x the education for.most majors. If I had to choose today, it would be no contest, unless I was going to study something specific (certain Comp Sci disciples ,MechE, AeroE, BioEng) that they are very strong in.

I work with a lot of Uconn grads, some are good and some aren't, but I am of the opinion that their college choice had little effect on that.

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I got into Ivies, chose BU.
 
I graduated from the SOE at UConn in 09. UConn definitely provides some balance to the pure engineering (There was maybe 1 girl in my Computer Science classes so I picked up a Psych minor). All the schools listed are obviously great and you will get a lot out of them. I would say that UConn provides opportunities to obtain a lot but you have to do some of the leg work yourself. Engage with professors, apply to work on research problems, etc. UConn is also doing better at partnering with local businesses in order to apply engineering principles to real world problems. Can't go wrong with any of the schools listed from an engineering perspective. I can tell you though that I always dreaded playing WPI in Club Soccer, a waste of a drive to Worcester to beat a team 14 or 15 to nothing.

A number of us would burn up our pass/fail options on some of the courses the Nursing School students needed to take.
 
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Why BU over the Ivies? Did you prefer to be in Boston? BU offered a better financial package? You thought you would get a better education in your major at BU?

Better education in the BU school (SAT scores and admissions rate were as high/tough at the BU school as at the two Ivies at the time, those being Penn and Cornell), plus several other factors. Money was better too (1/2 scholarship at Ivies, 80% at BU, but the truth is I went into some debt at BU and turned down a full scholarship at a top 5 liberal arts school so money was some factor but not the whole story).

Just t give an example, tuition was $16k, so a difference of 35% was $5,000 a year. A lot of money, but not enough to make me forego an Ivy league education if I wanted it.
 
Curious what is your son looking to study in college? Seems engineering focused.
It will depend mostly on SAT scores, especially Math. The average UCONN math score for Engineering has to be close to 700. They are not interested if you have less than 1200 for Reading and Math combined.
 
Better education in the BU school (SAT scores and admissions rate were as high/tough at the BU school as at the two Ivies at the time, those being Penn and Cornell), plus several other factors. Money was better too (1/2 scholarship at Ivies, 80% at BU, but the truth is I went into some debt at BU and turned down a full scholarship at a top 5 liberal arts school so money was some factor but not the whole story).

Just t give an example, tuition was $16k, so a difference of 35% was $5,000 a year. A lot of money, but not enough to make me forego an Ivy league education if I wanted it.

It is a complex decision. To often today it is a financial decision. The 35% is now around $20K at a private school which comes to $80K over four years. The "package" will make a significant difference in your choice. I graduated in 1979. I could save a semester's cost over the summer. With money in the bank and working during school I came out with fairly minimal amount of loans. Tough coming out with $100K+ in loans and trying to get established. Especially if you have a degree that is not as marketable or pays as well as engineering.
 
Remember this. Both my kids graduated UCONN - Engineering Pharmacy. They work with others who went to more prestigious schools. The salary is the same. The only difference is mountain of student loans the other kids have.
 
It is a complex decision. To often today it is a financial decision. The 35% is now around $20K at a private school which comes to $80K over four years. The "package" will make a significant difference in your choice. I graduated in 1979. I could save a semester's cost over the summer. With money in the bank and working during school I came out with fairly minimal amount of loans. Tough coming out with $100K+ in loans and trying to get established. Especially if you have a degree that is not as marketable or pays as well as engineering.

The thing is, private schools amount to only 15% of the market. Only in the northeast of the country is the loan problem a big thing. IMO, $20-25k is not so onerous. Going into the $30k range and above is something students should reconsider for an undergraduate education. In fact, gov't direct loans are capped at $5-6k, so you can't even go above $25k unless you go with a commercial bank with a loan to be paid immediately.
 
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