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2nd year in a row they laid an egg

freescooter said:
My view of Hurley is about what it has always been. A cut below the top coaches. He can recruit solid players in a heavily fished pond, but either can’t, or won’t or isn’t allowed to recruit outside our narrow footprint. The result is we end up with Top 100ish players. We don’t get Khalid elAmins, or Emeka Okafor’s, or even Donny Marshalls because we don’t even try. They dont hail from the NY metro area. A poor man’s Jamie Dixon. And my URI buddy told me he is too uptight and as a result spits the bit in big spots. After watching 4 years of almosts I think it might not be an inaccurate assessment.
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Castle is from Georgia.
 
Program is fine. Be frustrated at the results, but the team had flaws. One of the biggest problems with relying on offensive rebounding as your offense that a good rebounding team can neutralize that. NMST beat us on the boards, we had four second chance points. We didn't shoot well for 3.

Martin and Jackson only took 10 shots combined the entire game. The only one on the team that could create a basket was Cole. Cole was brilliant in second half.

PG and wing scorer biggest issues for next year. Jackson has to be able to score more than 6 PPG. He blew by his opponent with abandon. Go to the hoop young man.

But, it's an NCAA team next uear. Going to be dominnant down low. I would look for a transfer portal stop gap PG or 2.
 
shizzle787 said:
This goes back to not wanting a 5 seed-it is a death sentence. Oh, and our mojo geniuses are awful: Providence won and we lost.
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The seeding had nothing to do with our play. You can see this coming miles away. It was the same script from the entire season. From the bottom 300 teams to Nova, same thing every game.
 
Hurley is what he is. In many respects, he is a Ston Hall guy through and through. Finish in the low end of the top25. Check. Get to the Dance. Check. That’s it. Winning it all is too hard to even contemplate for lots of coaches.
 
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tzznandrew said:
If Cole comes back, great. But other than that I think shedding the sub150 talent will ultimately be for the best.
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Pretty unfair to Martin and Cole to describe them as "sub 150 talent" at this point, as 1st team all-BE and a guy who should have at least gotten honorable mention, but overall, yes, I'm not opposed to completely turning the page and seeing what Hurley's higher-ceiling high school recruits can do.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Pretty unfair to Martin and Cole to describe them as "sub 150 talent" at this point, as 1st team all-BE and a guy who should have at least gotten honorable mention, but overall, yes, I'm not opposed to completely turning the page and seeing what Hurley's higher-ceiling high school recruits can do.
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Probably harsh. I like them. But they all have limitations at the higher end.
 
Scrappy3 said:
Depressing feeling. I don’t feel the best team won. That’s on us
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What do you call a team that can't shoot the three, won't defend against the three, and apparently, struggle with making layups? UConn was not the best team by any stretch.
 
rip7774 said:
One player that can create / multiple non shooters on floor at all times. Can’t believe we didn’t take a guard like Fatts or someone similar. Would have taken so much pressure off everyone.

Hurley pissed away a good 3 in TMart/Cole/Sanogo - they needed a quick creator/shooter to that mix. He didn’t want to hurt Gaffney’s feelings it seemed like. Huge miscalculation.

Felt like we were a football team trying to win 13-10 all year. Hard to win like that.
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Just like UConn football has been for years: nowhere near enough offense. They stuggle to score.
 
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SYF75 said:
1 dude beat them...that is awful over half their points. This NMST team is not good, conference not good. I'm a Hurley fan and an old time field house crowd fan. This was ugly and unprepared and I've took up for Hurley, but no excuses on this one. Hope we keep trending up and the BE is overrated by the looks of it.
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Big East is not overrated. Marquette game was between 2 teams headed in opposite directions. NC is hot. They peaked at the wrong time, as did Xavier. What Creighton did with their young team was phenomenal, and surviving yesterday and coming back from down double digits in a 50/50 8-9 seed game was fantastic, all while losing Kalkbrenner late. Providence was a great story this year. Next year, like many BE teams, they have a lot to figure out - but Cooley had been consistent getting them to the dance and putting the pieces together. How many teams make it to the tournament is a far better indicator than how well they perform when they get there. Anything can happen. The Big East has, and will always have, between 4-7 teams every year based on all the factors that get you in (Quad 1, KenPom, yada yada) not based on how they performed in the tournament itself in years past. Kentucky lost in a major upset - it doesn’t meant the SEC is suddenly overrated.
 
freescooter said:
I think it is time to move on from this group. We’ve seen their upside. Thanks for the memories and best of luck in your future endeavors to Polley, Cole, Martin and Whaley. All good complementary players but none are good enough to put a team on his back at crunch time. They simply aren’t.

My view of Hurley is about what it has always been. A cut below the top coaches. He can recruit solid players in a heavily fished pond, but either can’t, or won’t or isn’t allowed to recruit outside our narrow footprint. The result is we end up with Top 100ish players. We don’t get Khalid elAmins, or Emeka Okafor’s, or even Donny Marshalls because we don’t even try. They dont hail from the NY metro area. A poor man’s Jamie Dixon. And my URI buddy told me he is too uptight and as a result spits the bit in big spots. After watching 4 years of almosts I think it might not be an inaccurate assessment.
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Hurley has actually been able to bring in some very good recruiting classes rank wise in the time he's been here. I have to give him credit for that because when he took the program over we were in the dumps playing in the AAC and we were completely irrelevant nationally. He was able to bring in an NBA lottery level talent and a bunch of guys ranked 40-100 which is pretty impressive given the dire situation we were in. The fact is that we won't be getting the top 30 ranked guys that change programs without Dan Hurley showing that he can win some damn games in March. I don't think we start recruiting nationally again and getting big time talent until we're consistently ranked in the top 15 and making S16 or E8 runs year in year out.
 
That Guy said:
The fact is that we won't be getting the top 30 ranked guys that change programs without Dan Hurley showing that he can win some damn games in March.
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Castle is ranked in the Top 30.

Many people think he won't be the only 5 star coming in that year, but even if so...
 
UConn, all season, was a team that had everything but a star scorer. No semblance of a Donyell Marshall, Rip Hamilton, Caron Butler, Ben Gordon, Emika Okafor, Kemba Walker, Shabaz Napier. Role players. A collection of roll players: Edmund Saunders, Jake Voskuhl, Talik Brown, Hilton Armstrong, Roscoe Smith or Nei,s Giffey. Hurley has recruited exactly one scorer . . . Bouknight.
 
tzznandrew said:
Castle is ranked in the Top 30.

Many people think he won't be the only 5 star coming in that year, but even if so...
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I would argue that a guy like Castle committed here because of the potential that he saw in Hurley turning the program back into a perennial power, but if the results remain stagnant and we keep getting bounced in the 1st or 2nd round then the few top 30 guys that have been looking our way because of Hurley's potential will start to ignore us completely.
 
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Hurley stating in the run up to the game that "it will be nice to play a normal game. The Big East is not a normal game", did us no favors. Showed disrespect to an opponent who then showed up and held us to 22 points in the first half. We were totally off balance in the first half and in the second let Allen dominate us. Just a mess from start to finish.
 
That Guy said:
I would argue that a guy like Castle committed here because of the potential that he saw in Hurley turning the program back into a perennial power, but if the results remain stagnant and we keep getting bounced in the 1st or 2nd round then the few top 30 guys that have been looking our way because of Hurley's potential will start to ignore us completely.
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you said "The fact is that we won't be getting the top 30 ranked guys that change programs without Dan Hurley showing that he can win some damn games in March. I don't think we start recruiting nationally again and getting big time talent until we're consistently ranked in the top 15 and making S16 or E8 runs year in year out."

Castle is a Top 30, big time dude pulled out of Georgia. So this is factually untrue.

At some point, it's true, Hurley needs to have success in March to keep pulling those kids in...but he's already started doing this.
 
PNolanFan said:
Next years roster has somewhere between 8-10 top 100 recruits on it, the talent level should be higher, if we cannot win a game next year in the tournament i will continue to be
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tzznandrew said:
If Cole comes back, great. But other than that I think shedding the sub150 talent will ultimately be for the best.
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I cannot see Cole coming back.
1. It would be very difficult to improve on his performance from this year.
2. He's getting older and limiting his chances to make money oversees.
3. Since many of his next year teammates had little or no run (Sampson, Diggins, Floyd, Springs, Karaban), expect more losses.
4. Unless Hurley hits portal pay dirt, being a tourney team seems unlikely.
5. Basketball is a tournament sport and his coach does not look to be a good tournament coach [close games, tourney games, big games]. Unflattering record.
6. He's already earned a graduate degree and has been in school forever.
 
That Guy said:
I would argue that a guy like Castle committed here because of the potential that he saw in Hurley turning the program back into a perennial power, but if the results remain stagnant and we keep getting bounced in the 1st or 2nd round then the few top 30 guys that have been looking our way because of Hurley's potential will start to ignore us completely.
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“We’re not going to get top 30 guys at this rate.”

“We’re getting them.”

“Okay then we’re going to stop getting them.”
 
jdb50 said:
Hurley stating in the run up to the game that "it will be nice to play a normal game. The Big East is not a normal game", did us no favors. Showed disrespect to an opponent who then showed up and held us to 22 points in the first half. We were totally off balance in the first half and in the second let Allen dominate us. Just a mess from start to finish.
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He has a lot of cringey coach speak moments. Him saying they’re a monster, could’ve been top 5 team if they finished games (when they were unranked), 45:07, etc. It’s fine when you win, but comes off as cheesy or cringey if the results aren’t there.
 
The roster construction just wasn’t one that was built to win tight games in March. I harped on it for awhile about how they’re so prone to slow starts because they relied on a lineup that plays 3 guys who can’t shoot. If Sanogo can’t get it going early, they can’t score. Who knows what happens with Cole and Martin but they need to figure out how to stretch the floor more with shooters and a guy who can consistent create his own shot. I never want to see UConn play a line up again that involves 3 guys who can’t shoot, it’s brutal.
 
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Recruiting isn’t an issue. Player development over the summer isn’t. Hurley’s in game coaching and in season development of the bench is and has been horrendous. People who brought this concern up during the year were mocked and restricted. He is not an offensive minded coach. That has to change immediately otherwise it’s going to get ugly-er
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
“We’re not going to get top 30 guys at this rate.”

“We’re getting them.”

“Okay then we’re going to stop getting them.”
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Castle was ranked in the 50s throughout his recruitment and we weren't exactly competing with blue bloods to get him, his top 6 was Arkansas, Auburn, Ohio State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, and the good guys.
 
Jholla2183 said:
Hurley is 13-24 at UConn in games decided by 2 possessions or less. That doesn’t include tonight where free throws ballooned it at the end. He has to learn to manage close games. Hate to be that guy, but I’m growing discontent with him…
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There's openings on the Syracuse fan base...go for it
 
bendm said:
to everyone declaring hurley has one more year to win a tourney game....if both cole and martin leave we dont have a chance of even making the tourney, so i guess it wont be long before hurley's fate could be decided.
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Transfer portal. If we don't use it we're screwed and Hurley may very well get fired.
 
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