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Melbourne, whom I like, rushed a layup attempt well before the buzzer and turned it over, which gave Vegas time to set up Jewell's shot. Reminded me of the 2017 Final Four loss.
I like Melbourne, too, but agree that she most certainly rushed that shot (want to take that with just enough time for an O-rebound, but nothing more). As noted somewhere, her drive was good but if she had raised her head had Citron (for sure) and Sutton (pretty sure) wide open for jumpers. She'll learn.

As noted way earlier, Melbourne kind of reminds me of Payton Verhulst's go-for-it approach.
 
I'm officially worried about LA. 1-3 start against what should have been a fairly easy schedule thus far. Not good.
 
Lynx come back to win 76-70, as Sun score 2 points in last five minutes.

As hot as Connecticut was in the first half, they were middlin' in the third and ice cold in the fourth.
Lindsay Allen went out in the first quarter with a leg injury and never returned. She was missed in the fourth when there was no rhyme or reason to the Sun.
Winning cultures win and losing cultures lose.

On a night with very tough shooting the lessons that Reeve has incorporated and her team is absorbed resulted in the victory.

Connecticut under new leadership does not appear to have that winning culture and while they're not Dallas I was not really surprised to see the loss.
 
I'm officially worried about LA. 1-3 start against what should have been a fairly easy schedule thus far. Not good.
Has it been? One game against the reigning champs (Lynx), one game against what I'm guessing will be one of the best teams in the league (Phoenix), and two against an unknown whom everyone assumed would be terrible (Valks), but who have already notched two wins in three games.

And remember that they've been without Brink, and now without two potential other starters in Burrell and Jackson. The fact that they have already signed King to a "rest-of-season hardship contract" less than a week into the season speaks to how far the Sparks are from a "full strength" assessment.
 
Golden State defeated Los Angeles for their 2nd win on the season.
This one is slipping under the radar, and I have no idea why (especially when it's the Sparks, not the Valkyries, who are 1-3 and sitting at the bottom of the West yet again). Maybe it's because people want certain narratives to be true about Kelsey Plum and Vegas, and maybe--just maybe--there's no THERE there. She and the Sparks are struggling, but this is what they want, so...

Other thoughts:

While the Mystics have the top two rookie performers in the league right now, they also have a player whose IQ will hold them back as a team. The more Jade Melbourne plays, the more mistakes she will make (yes, she's young, but she's experienced enough in the W to show some growth in her BBIQ). I'm old enough to remember how bad she was as a decision maker/ballhandler in Seattle her rookie season. In her third season, that doesn't seem to be improving well enough. They're going to have to lean on Sug Sutton (and Slim) a bit more when it comes to running the team. The decision to try Kiah Stokes at the end of the game is head scratching at best and completely idiotic at worst.

Point A'ja is going to force a lot of teams out of an automatic double team--much like shooters in the corner keep Minnesota from experiencing doubles on Collier.

Oh, and Masked Mamba > Jewell Loyd. Her efficiency may not be where it should be, but she's clutch. Hope that carries over to her return to Seattle because that would be awesome!

Stephanie White versus the NY Liberty, again. Oh boy...:oops:
 
Dawn wants her players to be happy, but wanted them to cry hard after the UConn loss. Sounds strange to me.
It's not strange. If you care, you'll want to do whatever it takes to win (even if it means going through a brief period of emotional discomfort). Once you win, you'll be happy. 2023-24 season taught them that (they had to bounce back from being embarrassed on national TV in March 2023 by a team that shouldn't have beaten them).
 
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Hiedeman had 11, but Courtney was 0-11. She's normally a great shooter.
First two games: Courtney amassed 19 assists to zero (!!!) turnovers. Minnesota won both by double digits

Recent two games: Courtney amassed 10 assists to NINE (!!!) turnovers. Minnesota won both games by single digits.

The caliber of opponents (LA, Dallas x 2, Connecticut) didn't change. However, we can see that CW will be the barometer who determines how well this Lynx team will fare this season. If she plays like she did against Dallas the first time and LA, the Lynx should be a Top 3 team all season. If she either plays like she did against Dallas the second time/Connecticut or misses time, then the Lynx will struggle. I don't see the Lynx being head and shoulders above the rest of the league, so their flaws will show at times.
 
Has it been? One game against the reigning champs (Lynx), one game against what I'm guessing will be one of the best teams in the league (Phoenix), and two against an unknown whom everyone assumed would be terrible (Valks), but who have already notched two wins in three games.

And remember that they've been without Brink, and now without two potential other starters in Burrell and Jackson. The fact that they have already signed King to a "rest-of-season hardship contract" less than a week into the season speaks to how far the Sparks are from a "full strength" assessment.
For some reason I was thinking they played Phoenix twice, who is probably better than most thought they were going to be.

Uh...pretty sure the Liberty are the reigning champs though. :rolleyes:
 
We have a winning record! My over / under for wins for the season was 5, so we're already 40% of the way there. Boy is this a fun team to watch.
I saw ESPN's season prediction: 15.7 wins. But that was still for 13th-place.

The Valkyries look to be very much on the same page defensively, more than a bit surprising for a WNBA expansion team.
 
Rough finish for Indy, refs did them no favors either. They stopped executing well and settled for mediocre perimeter shots. When they did execute, Boston had a couple of good looks inside that she missed down the stretch. She was money all game before that.

Was not a fan of the no call on Bonner on the 2nd to last Fever possession, followed by Sabrina getting bailed out on a foul call when she initiated contact and Hull was straight up. Last call I thought there was some contact but was fine with the no-call.

Clark struggled once again on just 1 day of rest. 6-19 FG, 2-12 from 3, 16 points, 10 assists, 10 TOs.
 
Hahaha
For some reason I was thinking they played Phoenix twice, who is probably better than most thought they were going to be.

Uh...pretty sure the Liberty are the reigning champs though. :rolleyes:
Hahaha you're right. My brain was in the alternate timeline where the refs didn't hand it to the Libs and the commissioner wasn't literally draped into Liberty swag for that final game.
 
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Hahaha

Hahaha you're right. My brain was in the alternate timeline where the refs didn't hand it to the Libs and the commissioner wasn't literally draped into Liberty swag for that final game.
Yeah...I deleted my comments, but kinda felt like the zebras just gift wrapped this game for the Lib against the Fever. One team shoots, doesn't matter how many defenders are around or how much contact, no foul. Other team shoots, almost automatic whistle regardless of what actually occurred. If there was a way to get rid of refs, the sport of basketball would be so much better.
 
Rough finish for Indy, refs did them no favors either. They stopped executing well and settled for mediocre perimeter shots. When they did execute, Boston had a couple of good looks inside that she missed down the stretch. She was money all game before that.

Was not a fan of the no call on Bonner on the 2nd to last Fever possession, followed by Sabrina getting bailed out on a foul call when she initiated contact and Hull was straight up. Last call I thought there was some contact but was fine with the no-call.

Clark struggled once again on just 1 day of rest. 6-19 FG, 2-12 from 3, 16 points, 10 assists, 10 TOs.
The Fever need to work on under 1 min execution. Both losses to Atlanta and New York were lost from bad execution on the last few possessions.
 
She got a 2 hand shove to the back from Cloud. It's utterly ludicrous that wasn't called.
Yeah that no call was :eek:. Cloud clearly mauled Bonner. Too bad you can't challenge a no call. I wonder if they could figure out a rule to allow teams to use their available challenge to challenge a no call in the last minute of play. That feels kind of like opening Pandora's box, so I doubt it would ever happen but wishful thinking...
 
She got a 2 hand shove to the back from Cloud. It's utterly ludicrous that wasn't called.
Cloud has always seemed to be a master of the push or hold in which she does not quite extend her elbows; hence, refs often let the push, in particular, go by. As an older, slower than I used to be hoopster who is now a lumbering not-very-powerful power forward, I have learned the intricacies of lane play. And these two actions are very much in play every week.

What makes Cloud interesting is she's a guard operating out of the lane.
 
Cloud has always seemed to be a master of the push or hold in which she does not quite extend her elbows; hence, refs often let the push, in particular, go by. As an older, slower than I used to be hoopster who is now a lumbering not-very-powerful power forward, I have learned the intricacies of lane play. And these two actions are very much in play every week.

What makes Cloud interesting is she's a guard operating out of the lane.
The new found Clark fans are really in for a rude awakening when Clark starts playing on the National team. Fiba refs and the Olympic games let a lot more go then the WNBA does. The physicality in the WNBA is mild compared to the World Cup and Olympics.
 
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Rough finish for Indy, refs did them no favors either. They stopped executing well and settled for mediocre perimeter shots. When they did execute, Boston had a couple of good looks inside that she missed down the stretch. She was money all game before that.

Was not a fan of the no call on Bonner on the 2nd to last Fever possession, followed by Sabrina getting bailed out on a foul call when she initiated contact and Hull was straight up. Last call I thought there was some contact but was fine with the no-call.

Clark struggled once again on just 1 day of rest. 6-19 FG, 2-12 from 3, 16 points, 10 assists, 10 TOs.
I would agree that the Fever got screwed on a couple of calls late, so that was unfortunate. Of course, I also have to point out that Stephanie White just cannot beat the New York Liberty. She's only won what--TWO games against the NYL TOTAL since returning to WNBA coaching in 2023?

The Caitlin Clark turnover issues are just--puzzling. She's a stellar passer, but some of the passes she attempts are just head scratchers. I think the Fever would either benefit from having a better/more reliable back-up PG or, as I've said before, letting some of the offense (especially in the halfcourt) run through Aliyah Boston.

As for the Liberty, it's going to be tough to beat them if you can't stop/slow down Jonquel Jones. They're the best team in the league BY FAR when they realize how important it is to play through her. There aren't many teams in the league who can play straight up against her because she's too big (and gets away with a ton of extra contact--see the first play of today's game where she got away with a moving screen), so you have to hope that she gets into foul trouble or something else to get her off the court. Atlanta has two big All-Star bigs, so we'll see how NYL looks against teams with matching size AND talent.
 
Another puzzle has been Ezi Macbegor. Is she coming back from an injury maybe? Skylar and Nneka have been really good this season so far to help carry the load.
Interestingly, Diggins tied the Storm single game assist record with 14. I’m a little surprised Bird never had more than 14 in a game, so I did some digging. She had 16 in a playoff game against the Aces in 2020.
 
New York played Indiana well. They made it tough for Caitlin today. Nice to see Aliyah Boston having a solid game. A double/double. That was nice and her and Caitlin and that 2-Man game would make John Stockton and Karl Malone proud. Not Clark's best game but she will bounce back.

When Natasha Cloud is knocking down shots, whatever team she is on, is just that much more lethal. She brings that extra to a team. She did a great job on Clark today. Good tough defense. Sure. It was physical but it is no different than the kind of defense Sophie Cunningham plays. Great game by both teams. Fun to watch on a Saturday.
 
The Caitlin Clark turnover issues are just--puzzling. She's a stellar passer, but some of the passes she attempts are just head scratchers. I think the Fever would either benefit from having a better/more reliable back-up PG or, as I've said before, letting some of the offense (especially in the halfcourt) run through Aliyah Boston.
In the past, I've read that Clark's issues (and frustration) comes from her expectations of a teammate knowing what to do, what she wants them to do, so perhaps her anticipation on plays is not shared?
 
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In the past, I've read that Clark's issues (and frustration) comes from her expectations of a teammate knowing what to do, what she wants them to do, so perhaps her anticipation on plays is not shared?
Interesting and could make sense in some cases. On the other hand, it could be that NY anticipated and/or forced these turnovers based on their scout of Clark. Can see it being a combination of the two.
 
In the past, I've read that Clark's issues (and frustration) comes from her expectations of a teammate knowing what to do, what she wants them to do, so perhaps her anticipation on plays is not shared?
I can see that being the case for her college teammates (who were, as a collective, more physically limited than she was), but her pro teammates are taller, quicker, and more athletic. Yet--we still see a turnover rate of 25%. It's possible that her TOV% could still be high if she was throwing the ball to A'ja, Phee, and Jonquel/Stewie. This is likely a part of her game that's going to persist until she addresses it.

It can be frustrating for a PG to see something in a way that her teammates don't see, but at some point--you make the conscious effort to adjust so that you can preserve the possession. I think we have enough of a sample size to know that it's not all Caitlin's teammates' faults. She can and should be held accountable for this. Some of those turnovers from yesterday's game were just baffling.
 
I can see that being the case for her college teammates (who were, as a collective, more physically limited than she was), but her pro teammates are taller, quicker, and more athletic. Yet--we still see a turnover rate of 25%. It's possible that her TOV% could still be high if she was throwing the ball to A'ja, Phee, and Jonquel/Stewie. This is likely a part of her game that's going to persist until she addresses it.

It can be frustrating for a PG to see something in a way that her teammates don't see, but at some point--you make the conscious effort to adjust so that you can preserve the possession. I think we have enough of a sample size to know that it's not all Caitlin's teammates' faults. She can and should be held accountable for this. Some of those turnovers from yesterday's game were just baffling.
Thanks for this insight. I didn't watch the game, just glanced at the box score. Hopefully she'll make some corrections.
 
I can see that being the case for her college teammates (who were, as a collective, more physically limited than she was), but her pro teammates are taller, quicker, and more athletic. Yet--we still see a turnover rate of 25%. It's possible that her TOV% could still be high if she was throwing the ball to A'ja, Phee, and Jonquel/Stewie. This is likely a part of her game that's going to persist until she addresses it.

It can be frustrating for a PG to see something in a way that her teammates don't see, but at some point--you make the conscious effort to adjust so that you can preserve the possession. I think we have enough of a sample size to know that it's not all Caitlin's teammates' faults. She can and should be held accountable for this. Some of those turnovers from yesterday's game were just baffling.
Clark is not simply a point guard. A point guard looks first to set up her team for a good shot.
Clark is looking to do both set up her team, and also to shoot if open.
She will get better at both the more she plays with her team.
 
I would agree that the Fever got screwed on a couple of calls late, so that was unfortunate. Of course, I also have to point out that Stephanie White just cannot beat the New York Liberty. She's only won what--TWO games against the NYL TOTAL since returning to WNBA coaching in 2023?

The Caitlin Clark turnover issues are just--puzzling. She's a stellar passer, but some of the passes she attempts are just head scratchers. I think the Fever would either benefit from having a better/more reliable back-up PG or, as I've said before, letting some of the offense (especially in the halfcourt) run through Aliyah Boston.

As for the Liberty, it's going to be tough to beat them if you can't stop/slow down Jonquel Jones. They're the best team in the league BY FAR when they realize how important it is to play through her. There aren't many teams in the league who can play straight up against her because she's too big (and gets away with a ton of extra contact--see the first play of today's game where she got away with a moving screen), so you have to hope that she gets into foul trouble or something else to get her off the court. Atlanta has two big All-Star bigs, so we'll see how NYL looks against teams with matching size AND talent.
At the beginning of last season I thought Clark would have been best used as an off guard. As the season went on I thought she could have been used as either, but she faces a problem of the tail wagging the dog. She is in demand by fans to do everything and the coach went along with that.

Clark has never been the best decision maker, something she has admitted. She is near the top for turnovers all time in college and set the season record for turnovers for the pros just two thirds into the season. If a coach/system could simplify the role expected from her the decision making would improve, particularly if her role is to be PG. For her to become an MVP someday this needs to happen. I am hopeful that White’s longevity in the sport might allow her to simplify Clark’s role on the team, despite what fans may want.
 
At the beginning of last season I thought Clark would have been best used as an off guard. As the season went on I thought she could have been used as either, but she faces a problem of the tail wagging the dog. She is in demand by fans to do everything and the coach went along with that.

Clark has never been the best decision maker, something she has admitted. She is near the top for turnovers all time in college and set the season record for turnovers for the pros just two thirds into the season. If a coach/system could simplify the role expected from her the decision making would improve, particularly if her role is to be PG. For her to become an MVP someday this needs to happen. I am hopeful that White’s longevity in the sport might allow her to simplify Clark’s role on the team, despite what fans may want.
I recall an announcer stated one of Coach White's goals is to help Clark understand how to utilize her team more this year. If I have it correct, Coach White stated this is the most talented roster Clark's had to play with and not having to do it all would be an adjustment.
 
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