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[southie]

Sorry, but I won't be disappointed if she doesn't meet expectations.

Is that the definition of a "hater" ? I'm sure you have some very valid reasons (which can be substantiated) for why you feel that way . . .

 

[TheFarmFan]

Is that the definition of a "hater" ? I'm sure you have some very valid reasons (which can be substantiated) for why you feel that way . . .

Probably because they, like I, fell for WCBB because it was amateurs representing their universities for four years of college, not to watch an unregulated professional league full of 17-year-old mercenaries demanding $1.5m pay to play for one year, only to jump ship for a higher bidder the year after.

Sooner or later, the Chavez's of the world are going to kill the golden goose. I honestly feel so much more good will towards the W now than I do towards WCBB, which is a pretty stunning reversal from where I was 3 or 4 seasons ago.

 

[Dillon77]

Probably because they, like I, fell for WCBB because it was amateurs representing their universities for four years of college, not to watch an unregulated professional league full of 17-year-old mercenaries demanding $1.5m pay to play for one year, only to jump ship for a higher bidder the year after.

Sooner or later, the Chavez's of the world are going to kill the golden goose. I honestly feel so much more good will towards the W now than I do towards WCBB, which is a pretty stunning reversal from where I was 3 or 4 seasons ago.

I noticed a poster said he/she was looking for something to fill the doldrums of the summer on the BY.

Like you, I noticed that my rooting interest in the W has grown more and more in relation to the bidding wars of off-season in the NCAA's.

Although there will be a blow up/resettling of many players after this season, once the CBA is settled, we'll have a good idea of who plays for whom from one season to next.

BTW, enjoy your initial season in the Bay Area as an initial ticket holder for The Valkyries!

 

[Big Fan]

Penn State women’s basketball players Ariana Williams and Gabby Elliott have entered the transfer portal. They became the sixth and seventh Lady Lions reported to enter the portal after the 2024-25 season. Their coaching situation is a dumpster fire. But 7 players transferring - yikes. They are going to lucky to field a team next year.

 

[FanInNC]

I have a question that maybe is best suited for here …

Does anyone have any idea what the NIL budgets are for say the top 10-20 programs? Rev share starts this coming year, any word on how schools like Tennessee, UConn, LSU, Texas, Notre Dame etc will allocate those dollars? Any idea what those NIL figures were like this past year for top flight programs?

 

[visitingcock]

I have a question that maybe is best suited for here …

Does anyone have any idea what the NIL budgets are for say the top 10-20 programs? Rev share starts this coming year, any word on how schools like Tennessee, UConn, LSU, Texas, Notre Dame etc will allocate those dollars? Any idea what those NIL figures were like this past year for top flight programs?

Nobody knows that info about their own school much less the Top 20.

 

[southie]

Probably because they, like I, fell for WCBB because it was amateurs representing their universities for four years of college, not to watch an unregulated professional league full of 17-year-old mercenaries demanding $1.5m pay to play for one year, only to jump ship for a higher bidder the year after.

Sooner or later, the Chavez's of the world are going to kill the golden goose. I honestly feel so much more good will towards the W now than I do towards WCBB, which is a pretty stunning reversal from where I was 3 or 4 seasons ago.

Well, there are a lot of things that are out of fans' control, and one of them is NIL; it is what is. Whether we like it or not, it's here to stay. I doubt football players of the same age (like the QB who signed with Michigan for a lot more millions) are getting the same amount of bad wishes and hate from anonymous fans on social media.

I think folks need to keep in mind that it's not the 17-year old making demands; it's their family/inner circle. I try to put myself in their place, and if you trust your parents/family, you believe that they are doing what is best for you, and you don't want to disappoint your family by going against their advice. To an extent, same can be said of transfers who are a little older but still relying on their family's advice and guidance.

 

[cancontent]

Well, there are a lot of things that are out of fans' control, and one of them is NIL; it is what is. Whether we like it or not, it's here to stay. I doubt football players of the same age (like the QB who signed with Michigan for a lot more millions) are getting the same amount of bad wishes and hate from anonymous fans on social media.

I think folks need to keep in mind that it's not the 17-year old making demands; it's their family/inner circle. I try to put myself in their place, and if you trust your parents/family, you believe that they are doing what is best for you, and you don't want to disappoint your family by going against their advice. To an extent, same can be said of transfers who are a little older but still relying on their family's advice and guidance.

And they may or may not really know what they're doing. That's why I'm not a fan of valuations or anything NIL being put out because it's made everything messy. Are people getting the right information to make that decision or are they being sold a bag of goods just so someone can make a quick commission? There are so many layers to this we don't take into consideration sometimes.

 

[jumpstart]

These are not "true" evaluations. They are bidding wars. There is a huge difference and if they have to do "true" evaluations then the NIL money is going to be much less. They are working on it. They are trying to make all of it go through the universities. If they can without a court overturning it. There will be drastic changes coming.

 

[southie]

These are not "true" evaluations. They are bidding wars. There is a huge difference and if they have to do "true" evaluations then the NIL money is going to be much less. They are working on it. They are trying to make all of it go through the universities. If they can without a court overturning it. There will be drastic changes coming.

Not sure what you are trying to say. Players are being watched/evaluated in summer ball, as well as actual games.

NIL is like a house-for-sale. All it takes is for one buyer to pay the asking price.

 

[JstVisiting]

…They are trying to make all of it go through the universities. If they can without a court overturning it.

They cannot.

 

[JstVisiting]

Nobody knows that info about their own school much less the Top 20.

If you listen to South Carolina fans, you’ll hear we have less “NIL” than several competitors in and out of the conference, and close the gap with actual NIL (don’t see any national ad campaigns featuring Lady Vols), Staley, and getting girls to the pros.

If you listen to other fans, we’re terrible no good cheats stealing recruits from pure as the driven snow /prior national champion winning coach/

 

[azfan]

? There are so many layers to this we don't take into consideration sometimes.

Absolutely!

Complexity and as in the rest of life with this type of complexity and uncertainty my bias always has been to defer to the participants directly involved. They know their situation much better than an outsider.

 

[cancontent]

Absolutely!

Complexity and as in the rest of life with this type of complexity and uncertainty my bias always has been to defer to the participants directly involved. They know their situation much better than an outsider.

Yes they do, but do they have the right people around them? That's more of my concern.

It reminds me of a news story about this "basketball guru" by the name of Ro Russell in Canada. Families bought into what he was selling and ended up getting defrauded in the end.

Ro Russell leaves coaching job in wake of devastating Fifth Estate report

If there is a moral to the Ro Russell story, it is probably that the higher one climbs, the more he exposes. The 45-minute Fifth Estate report on the Toronto youth basketball coach and the fallout thereof speaks for itself. … <a...

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[azfan]

Yes they do, but do they have the right people around them? That's more of my concern.

It reminds me of a news story about this "basketball guru" by the name of Ro Russell in Canada. Families bought into what he was selling and ended up getting defrauded in the end.

Ro Russell leaves coaching job in wake of devastating Fifth Estate report

If there is a moral to the Ro Russell story, it is probably that the higher one climbs, the more he exposes. The 45-minute Fifth Estate report on the Toronto youth basketball coach and the fallout thereof speaks for itself. … <a...

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Totally get your point. I think the foundation of most learning is feedback often coming from mistakes. I know with my own kids I hate to see them learn because sometimes the consequences of mistakes are long-lasting. Frankly I don't know of any other alternative however to allowing the feedback loop.

 

[packwrap]

Probably because they, like I, fell for WCBB because it was amateurs representing their universities for four years of college, not to watch an unregulated professional league full of 17-year-old mercenaries demanding $1.5m pay to play for one year, only to jump ship for a higher bidder the year after.

Sooner or later, the Chavez's of the world are going to kill the golden goose. I honestly feel so much more good will towards the W now than I do towards WCBB, which is a pretty stunning reversal from where I was 3 or 4 seasons ago.

That's cause WNBA mercenaries only demand $79,000 pay to play for 1 year.

 

[cancontent]

That's cause WNBA mercenaries only demand $79,000 pay to play for 1 year.

I think it should be "can only demand" as it's a component of the CBA structure.

 

[packwrap]

I have a question that maybe is best suited for here …

Does anyone have any idea what the NIL budgets are for say the top 10-20 programs? Rev share starts this coming year, any word on how schools like Tennessee, UConn, LSU, Texas, Notre Dame etc will allocate those dollars? Any idea what those NIL figures were like this past year for top flight programs?

The big schools in calendar year 2024 had about $20 million in booster NIL available. (Google Ohio State $20mil football roster)

Ironically, that is the same number used now for the pay to play revenue sharing, $20.5 million. So for 2025, power schools have a war chest of about $40 million. This has been the source for the beyond ridiculous payments of $4 million annually to a couple QBs.

In theory the booster NIL goes away with House settlement, so the budgets could drop again.

The bigger question for WBB and other sports is how much of the revenue/nil money gets shared with other sports. Tenn for example, on a quest to win a directors cup, has shared funds with even sports like track/xc and of course WBB.

Arkansas appeared to support mens bball with Calipari hiring and recruiting, but not WBB. On another thread there was discussion of Wisconsin supporting womens hockey and volleyball, but not WBB.

Interesting times, indeed.

 

[packwrap]

I think it should be "can only demand" as it's a component of the CBA structure.

You know I was sort of joking, but it is amusing that a pro salary is less than the salary of an unproven college freshman???

This problem is actually what led to entry year regulated pay across all sports. Back in the day Joe Namath was highest paid NFL player, while be was still a student at Alabama. Pros hated seeing a kid get millions for potential, while they got peanuts for actual proven performance.

Owners didn't mind paying a few stars well, but couldn't overpay the whole roster.

Compromise in CBA was series of low paid entry years, followed by free market free agency. Players like it, as only players who earn it on the field get paid.

Owners like it, as it gives them cheap young players to keep total payroll down (or under cap).

 

[FanInNC]

The big schools in calendar year 2024 had about $20 million in booster NIL available. (Google Ohio State $20mil football roster)

Ironically, that is the same number used now for the pay to play revenue sharing, $20.5 million. So for 2025, power schools have a war chest of about $40 million. This has been the source for the beyond ridiculous payments of $4 million annually to a couple QBs.

In theory the booster NIL goes away with House settlement, so the budgets could drop again.

The bigger question for WBB and other sports is how much of the revenue/nil money gets shared with other sports. Tenn for example, on a quest to win a directors cup, has shared funds with even sports like track/xc and of course WBB.

Arkansas appeared to support mens bball with Calipari hiring and recruiting, but not WBB. On another thread there was discussion of Wisconsin supporting womens hockey and volleyball, but not WBB.

Interesting times, indeed.

Yeah, some of what I have read concerning NC State has been about the rev share being 20.5 million (which I guess is the max for all power schools next year) and some I have read seem to think most schools will allocated 75-80% to football, 15-20% to MBB and the remaining 5% or so to non revenue sports however they see fit.

Each school can do their own thing obviously, Tennessee may put $1 million to WBB whereas maybe Arkansas puts $100k or something. I have no idea. This is obviously all money from rev share and has nothing to do with fan donations.

To hear Wes Moore tell it, the Pack is fishing in much smaller ponds than a lot of the national powers. He's talked about needing to be able to fish in the P4 ponds but we have been more like mid major ponds in the last 2 years. I just wondered what type of money gets you in the mix for top talent.

 

[cancontent]

You know I was sort of joking, but it is amusing that a pro salary is less than the salary of an unproven college freshman???

This problem is actually what led to entry year regulated pay across all sports. Back in the day Joe Namath was highest paid NFL player, while be was still a student at Alabama. Pros hated seeing a kid get millions for potential, while they got peanuts for actual proven performance.

Owners didn't mind paying a few stars well, but couldn't overpay the whole roster.

Compromise in CBA was series of low paid entry years, followed by free market free agency. Players like it, as only players who earn it on the field get paid.

Owners like it, as it gives them cheap young players to keep total payroll down (or under cap).

A problem that has existed in most pro sports for decades. The veterans had a point, however, when you think of some of the busts in the NBA and NFL leagues alone.

 

[WBBTakeover]

Yeah, some of what I have read concerning NC State has been about the rev share being 20.5 million (which I guess is the max for all power schools next year) and some I have read seem to think most schools will allocated 75-80% to football, 15-20% to MBB and the remaining 5% or so to non revenue sports however they see fit.

Each school can do their own thing obviously, Tennessee may put $1 million to WBB whereas maybe Arkansas puts $100k or something. I have no idea. This is obviously all money from rev share and has nothing to do with fan donations.

To hear Wes Moore tell it, the Pack is fishing in much smaller ponds than a lot of the national powers. He's talked about needing to be able to fish in the P4 ponds but we have been more like mid major ponds in the last 2 years. I just wondered what type of money gets you in the mix for top talent.

The way I understand it--for a typical, well-run P4 athletic department (Top 45-50 football, Top 30ish men's basketball, and Top 25 or so women's basketball):

75% football (about 15 million)
15% men's basketball (about 3 million)
5% women's basketball (about 1 million)
5% Olympic sports (about 1 million)

I don't know how that looks for programs that have struggling WBB teams but a thriving volleyball (e.g., Pitt) or women's soccer program (e.g., FSU), but the above seems to be the typical breakdown for an average P4 athletic department. I would assume that NC State will be close to this given its recent success in WCBB.

 

[Blueberries]

Sorry, but I won't be disappointed if she doesn't meet expectations.

I feel like we’ve come a long way in Oklahoma since C. paris offered to repay her scholarship in full for not following through on a NC to A. Chavez asking for 7 figures to play there. I’m not sure how to reconcile this in my head.

 

[Dillon77]

Excuse me if this was posted (just so many posts on this thread), but Stanford Coach Kate Paye has said that her team has no one declaring for the portal and that she does not intend to bring any transfers in. Only newcomers will be incoming freshmen (and she has a good class).
(seen on a few threads, including Raoul.)

 

[southie]

I feel like we’ve come a long way in Oklahoma since C. paris offered to repay her scholarship in full for not following through on a NC to A. Chavez asking for 7 figures to play there. I’m not sure how to reconcile this in my head.

It wasn't Aaliyah Chavez herself. It was her Dad/family asking for that amount.

Does anyone believe that a high school recruit would be able to negotiate a deal like that on their own? SMH

 

[jumpstart]

Not sure what you are trying to say. Players are being watched/evaluated in summer ball, as well as actual games.

NIL is like a house-for-sale. All it takes is for one buyer to pay the asking price.

The true value is market value, not athletic value. You cannot truly say a kid is worth 1.5 million on the market. This is just a bidding war for the talent not their market worth. The endorsements come with success and at this point at this level....there is no success. You are not going to invest in a house that is not equal to the market value just because you like the set up. If you do....you are very foolish investor. It is true that its worth what someone is willing to pay if there is no way to access the value. If there is a market value, then that will absolutely come into play. You think a bank is going to loan 250K on a house with a market value of 100K? Not happening. There is no "true" market value. There is only a bidding war for the talent.

 

[southie]

The true value is market value, not athletic value. You cannot truly say a kid is worth 1.5 million on the market. This is just a bidding war for the talent not their market worth. The endorsements come with success and at this point at this level....there is no success. You are not going to invest in a house that is not equal to the market value just because you like the set up. If you do....you are very foolish investor. It is true that its worth what someone is willing to pay if there is no way to access the value. If there is a market value, then that will absolutely come into play. You think a bank is going to loan 250K on a house with a market value of 100K? Not happening. There is no "true" market value. There is only a bidding war for the talent.

I realize that women's hoops is not men's hoops or football. Are you aware what high school QB Bryce Underwood who signed with Michigan reportedly received for signing with the Wolverines in November? $10.5 million. What's the difference as neither has played a minute in college yet?

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Hah! You caught me. I thought we were talking about Arizona, not Arizona St. But, seriously, how much is there to do in Phoenix, really?

I speak from experience, since I live in Santa Fe and there's not much to do here either. Same goes for Albuquerque.

There is a lot to do in Phoenix. It is one of the largest cities in the United States; 8 of the 10 largest cities in Arizona are Phoenix and its suburbs. During visits for various reasons, we are always doing something besides the reason we went.

I've visited Santa Fe and Albuquerque. Like Tucson, where I live, there are certainly things to do, but they are not extraordinary. If Tucson didn't have the U of A, there would probably be much less; but we have lots of "arts", first rate restaurants (Tucson is an International City of Gastronomy, the first in the US), etc.

I can't think of much that Phoenix doesn't have.

Back to our regular scheduled thread.

 

[jumpstart]

I realize that women's hoops is not men's hoops or football. Are you aware what high school QB Bryce Underwood who signed with Michigan reportedly received for signing with the Wolverines in November? $10.5 million. What's the difference as neither has played a minute in college yet?

Yes....a bidding war for his talent. You are still not getting it. It's not based on what money he can bring in to support the amount they are giving him. There is no way to gauge that. That is the problem with this whole mess. This is not a 'market value" game. It's just a 'we could win so offer him the ceiling'. The money he could bring in is not measurable.

 

[pvdoggy]

Yes....a bidding war for his talent. You are still not getting it. It's not based on what money he can bring in to support the amount they are giving him. There is no way to gauge that. That is the problem with this whole mess. This is not a 'market value" game. It's just a 'we could win so offer him the ceiling'. The money he could bring in is not measurable.

‘My understanding is the 10.5 million is over 4 years, still a lot of money to most people and it was put together by a NIL co-op with Larry Ellison (his current wife is a Michigan alumn) and 10.5 million to Larry is probably like 1000 to you and me.