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The Viking said:
I don’t get it. What’s the catch. Seems too good to be true.
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I think in the age of transfer portal the top teams might not be looking to develop a young QB when they can pick up a proven transfer instead. Welliver might realize he will get better early coaching/development (read: playing time) coming to Mora and then move onto a bigger team
 
Windham4th said:
Welliver might realize he will get better early coaching/development (read: playing time) coming to Mora and then move onto a bigger team
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This is what worries me. He may come for 1-2 seasons then leave during what could be his/ours breakout year. That's the new reality though with this amateur farm system we're heading towards. Those that stay may become the exception rather than the norm. Still, if he plays well and gets us bowling, we'll be seen as a good football program, and maybe that's enough to get us "promoted" into a bonafide football conference.
 
KryHavok said:
This is what worries me. He may come for 1-2 seasons then leave during what could be his/ours breakout year. That's the new reality though with this amateur farm system we're heading towards. Those that stay may become the exception rather than the norm. Still, if he plays well and gets us bowling, we'll be seen as a good football program, and maybe that's enough to get us "promoted" into a bonafide football conference.
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A bunch of kids coming here and having breakout years would be really nice. Not worried about that at all.
 
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KryHavok said:
This is what worries me. He may come for 1-2 seasons then leave during what could be his/ours breakout year. That's the new reality though with this amateur farm system we're heading towards. Those that stay may become the exception rather than the norm. Still, if he plays well and gets us bowling, we'll be seen as a good football program, and maybe that's enough to get us "promoted" into a bonafide football conference.
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If he plays well enough to be getting legit P5 interest as a QB then he'll be the best QB we've had in 20 years. I'd sign up for that right now
 
Dizzy21 said:
He said he wanted to go somewhere that was not always in transition and that had some rivalries. Some people took that as some major swipe at the program, some people took it a kid talking in an interview explaining the realities of his move.
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We switch jobs for better pay, work environment, more desirable location and better opportunities. There should be no hate for any kids in the portal for doing the same.
 
hey all,

please help me understand, and pardon my skepticism but as fellow uconn fans you can surely understand my hesitation here.
Can someone summarize cleanly why Cole Welliver is coming to our humble school?

Something doesn't add up for me - if he's as good as we claim/hope, surely he can land a spot and compete for starting role at a P4, which is all we're promising him anyway.

His numbers are impressive for sure. So why UConn? I dont' mean to be offensive, but honestly it just doesn't make sense. I find it hard to buy into the stats and hype, if the market didn't scoop him up before uconn. ESPECIALLY in a post-NIL era where financially we are severely outmatched now, and probably well into the future.

I feel like a kid of this supposed caliber would want to see a clear (albeit theoretical) path to the expanded 12-team CFP, via conference crown or top-tier Strength of schedule and subsequent performance (eg. ohio state/oregon in 2023)

did the p4 coaches see things (bad things) that we don't?
etc. etc.



alsoooo - any chance we can get jason witten to come up to storrs? lol
 
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DMTCYNAW said:
hey all,

please help me understand, and pardon my skepticism but as fellow uconn fans you can surely understand my hesitation here.
Can someone summarize cleanly why Cole Welliver is coming to our humble school?

Something doesn't add up for me - if he's as good as we claim/hope, surely he can land a spot and compete for starting role at a P4, which is all we're promising him anyway.

His numbers are impressive for sure. So why UConn? I dont' mean to be offensive, but honestly it just doesn't make sense. I find it hard to buy into the stats and hype, if the market didn't scoop him up before uconn. ESPECIALLY in a post-NIL era where financially we are severely outmatched now, and probably well into the future.

I feel like a kid of this supposed caliber would want to see a clear (albeit theoretical) path to the expanded 12-team CFP, via conference crown or top-tier Strength of schedule and subsequent performance (eg. ohio state/oregon in 2023)

did the p4 coaches see things (bad things) that we don't?
etc. etc.



alsoooo - any chance we can get jason witten to come up to storrs? lol
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Dan Orlovsky came here when we were in trailers and could have gone to Purdue. He did it because he wanted to build something. Some kids like school, staff and want to put their stamp on a program. Others go for the bag.
 
DMTCYNAW said:
hey all,

please help me understand, and pardon my skepticism but as fellow uconn fans you can surely understand my hesitation here.
Can someone summarize cleanly why Cole Welliver is coming to our humble school?

Something doesn't add up for me - if he's as good as we claim/hope, surely he can land a spot and compete for starting role at a P4, which is all we're promising him anyway.

His numbers are impressive for sure. So why UConn? I dont' mean to be offensive, but honestly it just doesn't make sense. I find it hard to buy into the stats and hype, if the market didn't scoop him up before uconn. ESPECIALLY in a post-NIL era where financially we are severely outmatched now, and probably well into the future.

I feel like a kid of this supposed caliber would want to see a clear (albeit theoretical) path to the expanded 12-team CFP, via conference crown or top-tier Strength of schedule and subsequent performance (eg. ohio state/oregon in 2023)

did the p4 coaches see things (bad things) that we don't?
etc. etc.



alsoooo - any chance we can get jason witten to come up to storrs? lol
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He's a 3 star and his only P4 offers are Arizona State and Colorado. As others have said above, he may have higher aspirations than either of those schools. I see a couple of benefits to UConn for him:

1. Access to quick playing time to showcase his skills to big time programs.

2. Our schedule. He can showcase his abilities against some top P4 teams, while also racking up stats against some scrubs. If/when he enters the portal, coaches will initially see his beefed up stats from the UMass et al games, and be able to watch tape of him playing Tennessee or whoever.

At Arizona State or Colorado he may not get the chance to play (if at all) until he's a junior or senior. Then, if he does play, he's on a roster with a schedule where every single game he's getting beat up on by P4 opponents. UConn offers the chance to stat pad against lower quality opponents while keeping a few P4s on the schedule for tape.
 
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DMTCYNAW said:
if he's as good as we claim/hope, surely he can land a spot and compete for starting role at a P4, which is all we're promising him anyway.
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Obviously high school stats and recruiting ratings don't always translate to the next level, but if I were to put more weight in one over the other it would be the rating. He is only a 3 star. How many 3 star high school freshman QB's come out of high school and start for a P4 team? Gotta think it is rare.

Obviously we are excited to get a solid 3 star QB but you may be over hyping his abilities based on his ratings. Remember, his HS stats and accolades are at his district and school classification level. Not the entire state of Texas...

And to put it in perspective, Zion Turner was rated higher than Welliver.
 
Money and chance to be a franchise player would be my guess. Others may like him but he isn’t their first choice.
 
Welliver played at a school in D2 of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools (TAPPS). He didn’t play against the big public high schools with their professional looking stadiums. TAPPS has 230 members across 6 divisions so his accomplishments were compared to 40 or so similarly sized private school competitors. His school has about 1,000 students from preschool to 12, so his class is probably no bigger than 100 or so - a small school.

Does this mean he can or can’t play at a high D1 level? No. But it means his competition was limited so the P4 programs would have to project his skills even more than with those kids from the big Texas schools. You can bet some will be watching to see how he does at little ‘ole Connecticut in case they need a QB in the future. That’s the modern professional college football……
 
I think this has been touched on in a few ways. Here is my take at least. Mora is still Jim Mora. That counts for something. The kid is at a smaller school. So it is harder to truly evaluate him. I also think that a 3-star kid who goes to aP4 is going with the intent that he will A. Redshirt as a true freshman; B. Get a starting opportunity as a Redshirt Freshman or as a sophomore. But in the portal era, it is much more likely that the next starter will be a junior transfer from somewhere else than that you’ll work your way into the job. At UConn you might get a shot on Day 1 but even if you don’t, you could well be the guy in year 2 or 3 because we will have a tougher time landing the proven guy from the portal. And as people have pointed out, if you are terrific, you’ve got a chance to be one of those portal guys at a P4 school.
 
Suffice it to say that each college athlete is ALWAYS considering his options these days. They will always take the path they think gets them the fastest development, most visibility, and most money. That is just the way it is now.
 
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DMTCYNAW said:
hey all,

please help me understand, and pardon my skepticism but as fellow uconn fans you can surely understand my hesitation here.
Can someone summarize cleanly why Cole Welliver is coming to our humble school?

Something doesn't add up for me - if he's as good as we claim/hope, surely he can land a spot and compete for starting role at a P4, which is all we're promising him anyway.
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There's a very slight possibility he has dain bramage and thinks that Mora is still in the PAC and that he'll be playing for the Washington Huskies. Barring that explanation, if he gets us bowling, so be it. I don't see it with our OC, but did anyone think we'd go bowling last year with a freshman backup QB? He can save his body playing behind our decent O-line then bolt for big money later with less injury.
 
Hoophound said:
Dying to get a glimpse of him in a game. It looks like he’s got a canon for an arm. Throws a perfect ball in practice.
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And so far no talk of moving on. Got in a true redshirt development year. Got some coaching, put on some muscle mass, got used to the speed at which he will have to run through his progressions, get the ball out quickly, and the scramble or step up in the pocket decision. I agree, next year he may get to mount a real challenge.
 
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RSTuthill said:
And so far no talk of moving on. Got in a true redshirt development year. Got some coaching, put on some muscle mass, got used to the speed at which he will have to run through his progressions, get the ball out quickly, and the scramble or step up in the pocket decision. I agree, next year he may get to mount a real challenge.
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How well did he move around the pocket and run the ball in HS? Does anyone use the term scramble anymore(ie Fran Tarkenton)
 
DMTCYNAW said:
hey all,

please help me understand, and pardon my skepticism but as fellow uconn fans you can surely understand my hesitation here.
Can someone summarize cleanly why Cole Welliver is coming to our humble school?

Something doesn't add up for me - if he's as good as we claim/hope, surely he can land a spot and compete for starting role at a P4, which is all we're promising him anyway.

His numbers are impressive for sure. So why UConn? I dont' mean to be offensive, but honestly it just doesn't make sense. I find it hard to buy into the stats and hype, if the market didn't scoop him up before uconn. ESPECIALLY in a post-NIL era where financially we are severely outmatched now, and probably well into the future.

I feel like a kid of this supposed caliber would want to see a clear (albeit theoretical) path to the expanded 12-team CFP, via conference crown or top-tier Strength of schedule and subsequent performance (eg. ohio state/oregon in 2023)

did the p4 coaches see things (bad things) that we don't?
etc. etc.



alsoooo - any chance we can get jason witten to come up to storrs? lol
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His offers to Arizona St, Colorado, and Wash St were from 2020 so those offers were essentially pulled after those schools changed coaching staffs. No P5 offers in the last 2 years so UConn was arguably the best offer available to him.
 
AllHusky said:
How well did he move around the pocket and run the ball in HS? Does anyone use the term scramble anymore(ie Fran Tarkenton)
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Ah, the nomenclature police. My apologies. Written in haste.
 
Husky68 said:
Speaking of compete, the dual threat QB from Mass., Tucker Mcdonald, has there been any word on his progress.
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I have not heard much about his development. I did hear from a guy I know who coaches at a lower level college program that McDonald is a legit FBS quarterback. His comment was he needed some “polish” but had all the tools.
 
Hoophound said:
Dying to get a glimpse of him in a game. It looks like he’s got a canon for an arm. Throws a perfect ball in practice.
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You and me both. Why Mora didn’t open up the QB competition a bit more as our collective ship started sinking is beyond me.

Would have loved to see Tucker play a couple halves and or Zion Turner.

Sticking w/ Roberson for nearly every single snap cost us some opportunities to evaluate other QBs.
 
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