Giannis and Gobert were both thought of as international prospects that will be projects. No one projected what Giannis would become.
If everyone disagrees with your point, chances are it isn’t everyone else who’s wrong.Read post 20 again. If you don’t understand what I am saying, move on. I can’t explain it any clearer.
If everyone disagrees with your point, chances are it isn’t everyone else who’s wrong.
I would add one point. My issue with draft picks is that NBA scouts just don’t have enough data to assess top picks like they did 30 or 40 years ago. This makes lottery picks much less valuable than they were back then.
While I think the value of an early first round pick is much less than it was 40 or even 20 years ago, I think the later first round picks are more valuable, and second round picks are much more valuable than they were in the 80’s or 90’s.
Look at the top NBA player in each draft since 2010:
2010: Paul George (10)
2011: Kachin Leonard (15) or Jimmy Butler (30)
2012: Anthony Davis (1), but Khris Middleton (39) could win one or more more titles, while Davis may be done.
2013: Giannis Antetokounmpo (15)
2014: Joel Embiid (3) or Nikola Jokic (41)
2015: Devin Booker (13), Karl-Anthony Towns (1) has good stats, but Booker turned around one of the worst franchises in pro sports
2016: Tie with Ingram (2), Jaylen Brown (3), Jamal Murray (7), or Pascual Siakum (27), although Siakum is the only one with a title.
2017: Tie with 6 all stars - Tatum (3), Fox (5), Markkanan (7), Mitchell (13), Adebayo (14), and Allen (22)
2018 and after: too early to tell
Other than maybe Anthony Davis in 2012, NBA scouts got it wrong every single draft since 2010, and most years got it very wrong. But this year will be different?
Oh yes he can, and here, again, he does. It's one facet of his unique brand-building enterprise.You can’t ask a pre draft question and then talk about picks in hindsight. That’s not how that works.
Irving easily is on the same level as Leonard and Butler as a basketball player. His issues have been other.
Almost all the picks you mention are still lottery picks.
Only Middleton, Butler, Jokic, Siakum and Allen are outside the top 20. Three entered the NBA as relatively older players who improved considerably. One was from Europe, with Allen being the only young college player.
I would add one point. My issue with draft picks is that NBA scouts just don’t have enough data to assess top picks like they did 30 or 40 years ago. This makes lottery picks much less valuable than they were back then.
While I think the value of an early first round pick is much less than it was 40 or even 20 years ago, I think the later first round picks are more valuable, and second round picks are much more valuable than they were in the 80’s or 90’s.
Look at the top NBA player in each draft since 2010:
2010: Paul George (10)
2011: Kachin Leonard (15) or Jimmy Butler (30)
2012: Anthony Davis (1), but Khris Middleton (39) could win one or more more titles, while Davis may be done.
2013: Giannis Antetokounmpo (15)
2014: Joel Embiid (3) or Nikola Jokic (41)
2015: Devin Booker (13), Karl-Anthony Towns (1) has good stats, but Booker turned around one of the worst franchises in pro sports
2016: Tie with Ingram (2), Jaylen Brown (3), Jamal Murray (7), or Pascual Siakum (27), although Siakum is the only one with a title.
2017: Tie with 6 all stars - Tatum (3), Fox (5), Markkanan (7), Mitchell (13), Adebayo (14), and Allen (22)
2018 and after: too early to tell
Other than maybe Anthony Davis in 2012, NBA scouts got it wrong every single draft since 2010, and most years got it very wrong. But this year will be different?
Bouk and Hawk are great natural talents. While their development and draft position are certainly noteworthy, I’d highlight Tyrese Martin as a guy who developed from raw potential into an NBA draft pick under Hurley. That one was particularly special for me and shows the real value of playing for our coach.Any chance at all we can get back on topic?
I hope these mock drafts are right. Hurley turning two good but not great prospects into lottery picks (Bouk and Hawk) should do wonders for recruiting. That's what true coaching and development are all about. I hope the public starts to take notice.
Great point. Forgot all about Rese. Even more evidence for Hurley's/UConn's case.Bouk and Hawk are great natural talents. While their development and draft position are certainly noteworthy, I’d highlight Tyrese Martin as a guy who developed from raw potential into an NBA draft pick under Hurley. That one was particularly special for me and shows the real value of playing for our coach.
Yeah, you may be onto something with that oneYipes. Easy on your ego.
I swear someone has said this about every draft I’ve ever followed. Unless it’s comparable to the Anthony Bennett year, no draft should be considered a dumpster fire.Hawkins made the right call coming out this year. This draft is a smoldering dumpster fire. This could be the worst draft since 2013.
Every year draft analysts say the draft stinks, and then about a month beforehand they say "well the top x after the top guy or 2 is bad, but actually it's pretty deep overall" Same thing every year.I swear someone has said this about every draft I’ve ever followed. Unless it’s comparable to the Anthony Bennett year, no draft should be considered a dumpster fire.
No. Way. On. Earth.Irving easily is on the same level as Leonard and Butler as a basketball player.
No. Way. On. Earth.
And his "issues have been other" count too. Teams draft players to win championships, not to win dribbling contests.
Did Kawhi's Toronto championship get wiped off the books or something?The comment was in regards to his draft position, keep that in mind. So for championships:
Leonard - 1
Irving -1
Butler - 0
That’s what they got for the teams that drafted them.
Now if you want to argue Irving only won as the second best player with Lebron, I remind you they won in Cleveland. Cleveland. Leonard was won on a fantastic Spurs team and Butler…
I meant to ignore his other issues as they are in regard to things no GM in the NBA could forecast 7-10 years after he was drafted.
As a draft asset he has played on as high a level as Leonard and Butler in his first 5-7 years.
And if you want to tak about his issues he has played way more games than Leonard in his career. Let’s not forget Leonard’s issues, which were almost as bad as Irving. And Butlers issues in Minnesota. All three have had serious issues. Irving’s are more problematic to the larger society but you could argue Leonard and Butler were worse for their teams.
Heck I don’t even like Irving but the man could ball and him being picked first in the draft was a warranted pick, even in hindsight.
If everyone disagrees with your point, chances are it isn’t everyone else who’s wrong.
Oh, when you do that, can you post that link? Saves the rest of us a step.Please, post MORE paywall links that I have to use Archive.IS to decode. Thanks so much
"When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him."
--Jonathan Swift
I believe Kawhi Leonard has 2 championships, but the rest of your post is correct.The comment was in regards to his draft position, keep that in mind. So for championships:
Leonard - 1
Irving -1
Butler - 0
That’s what they got for the teams that drafted them.
Now if you want to argue Irving only won as the second best player with Lebron, I remind you they won in Cleveland. Cleveland. Leonard was won on a fantastic Spurs team and Butler…
I meant to ignore his other issues as they are in regard to things no GM in the NBA could forecast 7-10 years after he was drafted.
As a draft asset he has played on as high a level as Leonard and Butler in his first 5-7 years.
And if you want to tak about his issues he has played way more games than Leonard in his career. Let’s not forget Leonard’s issues, which were almost as bad as Irving. And Butlers issues in Minnesota. All three have had serious issues. Irving’s are more problematic to the larger society but you could argue Leonard and Butler were worse for their teams.
Heck I don’t even like Irving but the man could ball and him being picked first in the draft was a warranted pick, even in hindsight.