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After the first TD in the second half, we played that stupid two man defensive front and Arizona marched down the field on us like we were a HS team. That formation is why I despise Wink. We ran a three man front on all plays (save a couple third and very long) and were able to stop them.

Granted, Arizona isn't KC but we need to put up some resistance on the defensive line.

A win is a win. We needed it desperately.
 
I was already thinking tank when we were down 60-0 after 6 quarters.
How the hell does that even happen.
Regardless both sides of the ball came up big on the second half and salvaged the season.
We will lose to SF but pull off a win Against Seattle in week 4 and I’ll take 2-2 to start the year.
Jones was outstanding in the second half.
As for Barkley assume he’s out for SF. If Thomas is on the fence just give him one more week of rest so he comes back 100%
 
Hearing that Daboll took over the playing calling as Kafka pulled a Charlton, Kafka isn’t as bad as Charlton but I won’t be dissapointed if he leaves to be a HC perhaps he takes the Northwestern job.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Jones just is so not a game changer.
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He sure was when they gave him time to throw and opened up the offense.

Can’t believe people watch the first game and a half and throw it on DJ at all? Crazy kid can play just needs time, the weapons are better but the oline needs to prove they can be consistent. DJ is fine, happy to have him.
 
The windows that Jones completed critical passes in during the second half were ridiculous, he warrants a ton of praise for that.

Two of his picks this season were balls Saquon should have held onto and a third was a diving catch off the turf by Gilmore that was thrown as QBs are taught (low pass) as 95% of the time it falls incomplete if the WR can't come up with it.

QB is not the problem
 
FfldCntyFan said:
The windows that Jones completed critical passes in during the second half were ridiculous, he warrants a ton of praise for that.

Two of his picks this season were balls Saquon should have held onto and a third was a diving catch off the turf by Gilmore that was thrown as QBs are taught (low pass) as 95% of the time it falls incomplete if the WR can't come up with it.

QB is not the problem
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Well stated, spot on!
 
mauconnfan said:
He sure was when they gave him time to throw and opened up the offense.

Can’t believe people watch the first game and a half and throw it on DJ at all? Crazy kid can play just needs time, the weapons are better but the oline needs to prove they can be consistent. DJ is fine, happy to have him.
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The tank for Caleb Williams stuff was silly. They just re-signed Jones for big money. If you wanted to move on from him, he wouldn't be tradeable. He'd be like Goff was in LA. That would really hurt your ability to add pieces.
 
mauconnfan said:
He sure was when they gave him time to throw and opened up the offense.

Can’t believe people watch the first game and a half and throw it on DJ at all? Crazy kid can play just needs time, the weapons are better but the oline needs to prove they can be consistent. DJ is fine, happy to have him.
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I mean, he did have plenty of time in the first half on a lot of plays. The criticism at the time was warranted, he was getting significantly outplayed by a journeyman. But, the credit is due in the second half where he was great.

You simply can’t look at 0 points in 6 quarters and say he was playing fine. It doesn’t make sense.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
I mean, he did have plenty of time in the first half on a lot of plays. The criticism at the time was warranted, he was getting significantly outplayed by a journeyman. But, the credit is due in the second half where he was great.

You simply can’t look at 0 points in 6 quarters and say he was playing fine. It doesn’t make sense.
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You can’t “simply” look at anything in those 6 quarters because nothing was simple it was dreadful. To even look at him against the Cowboys running for his damn life every down because the oline was not even close to prepared, well that’s insane. First half their offense was ragged, was he part of it hell yeah but somehow the play calling in the 2nd half was a lot better and aggressive. He had time in the first half but not like he should have and the offensive play calling was terrible. I mean you dont like him that’s fine it’s your opinion I respect that. But he’s fine and not at all the problem of this team, furthest thing from it. Oline still questionable and they need LBers really bad. Only Okereke is a really good NFL LBer the others are inconsistent at best.
 
mauconnfan said:
You can’t “simply” look at anything in those 6 quarters because nothing was simple it was dreadful. To even look at him against the Cowboys running for his damn life every down because the oline was not even close to prepared, well that’s insane. First half their offense was ragged, was he part of it hell yeah but somehow the play calling in the 2nd half was a lot better and aggressive. He had time in the first half but not like he should have and the offensive play calling was terrible. I mean you dont like him that’s fine it’s your opinion I respect that. But he’s fine and not at all the problem of this team, furthest thing from it. Oline still questionable and they need LBers really bad. Only Okereke is a really good NFL LBer the others are inconsistent at best.
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Well apparently Daboll took over for Kafka. It pisses me off the amount of QB draws that Kafka runs, puts DJ in far too much danger, so great move there.

I don’t hate DJ, I promise that. I was incredibly complimentary and impressed with him down the stretch last year. But, although it was 90% the lines fault against Dallas, he still didn’t play well. And the first half yesterday was very poor, especially because the line was not particularly bad. But, he and the team in general were tremendous in the second half, so credit where it is due. But with the schedule we have, putting up an egg for half the game is gonna end in a top 5 pick, so he needs to be better overall.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
I mean, he did have plenty of time in the first half on a lot of plays. The criticism at the time was warranted, he was getting significantly outplayed by a journeyman. But, the credit is due in the second half where he was great.

You simply can’t look at 0 points in 6 quarters and say he was playing fine. It doesn’t make sense.
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Heck of a comeback for the G-Men. There's a lot of focus on Daniel Jones and the offense, but I'd concerned about the defense as well, if I were a Giants fan.

After being harassed by the Commanders in Week 1, Dobbs was barely touched in the pocket all game and ran for 41 yards and a score.

Following the quick TD to start the 2nd half, The Giants had two sustained drives. Arizona couldn't make an adjustment, remained flat (as bad teams are wont to do), and got gassed as they lost momentum. I thought the Cardinals were a couple of 2nd half 1st downs from winning.

The 130+ yard/game rushing against doesn't bode well at San Fran or vs Seattle either. Particularly if Barkley is unavailable on the quick turn around for the Giants to establish their own running game.
 
Husky25 said:
Heck of a comeback for the G-Men. There's a lot of focus on Daniel Jones and the offense, but I'd concerned about the defense as well, if I were a Giants fan.

After being harassed by the Commanders in Week 1, Dobbs was barely touched in the pocket all game and ran for 41 yards and a score.

Following the quick TD to start the 2nd half, The Giants had two sustained drives. Arizona couldn't make an adjustment, remained flat (as bad teams are wont to do), and got gassed as they lost momentum. I thought the Cardinals were a couple of 2nd half 1st downs from winning.

The 130+ yard/game rushing against doesn't bode well at San Fran or vs Seattle either. Particularly if Barkley is unavailable on the quick turn around for the Giants to establish their own running game.
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Yeah, defense has been underwhelming to say the least, I thought they would be a strong part of the team too. Thibs just doesn’t seem like he has it, LW seems past it, and Dexter get the pressure but isn’t finishing the job. The tackling has been pretty horrendous also.
 
Husky25 said:
Heck of a comeback for the G-Men. There's a lot of focus on Daniel Jones and the offense, but I'd concerned about the defense as well, if I were a Giants fan.

After being harassed by the Commanders in Week 1, Dobbs was barely touched in the pocket all game and ran for 41 yards and a score.

Following the quick TD to start the 2nd half, The Giants had two sustained drives. Arizona couldn't make an adjustment, remained flat (as bad teams are wont to do), and got gassed as they lost momentum. I thought the Cardinals were a couple of 2nd half 1st downs from winning.

The 130+ yard/game rushing against doesn't bode well at San Fran or vs Seattle either. Particularly if Barkley is unavailable on the quick turn around for the Giants to establish their own running game.
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Defense gets very little to no pressure on the QB made Hobbs look good no doubt so agree, Niners could be scary. Wink not pushing the right buttons for now either. The offense is very capable but the Niners also can pressure the QB more like the Boys so will the Oline step up?? While I agree the Cards just needed to sustain a partial drive it seemed, it also felt if and when the Giants got the ball back they were going to score. And that’s strange considering how that offense looked the prior 6 quarters.
 
do not want to know how many years this team has taken off my life. good riddance. what a win.
 
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This team’s tackling is downright laughable. Hawkins, the “revelation” of training camp couldn’t tackle a dummy. Also, Thibodeaux as big, athletic and strong he is, has been such a disappointment. Can’t tackle either and celebrates anything like he just got a pick 6. Do the defensive coaches team form tackling?
 
Checking in on the game and 5 minutes into watching they call a roughing the passer on Leonard Williams for tackling the QB. I'm checking out, it's getting harder and harder to watch this sport.
 
That was an absolute brutal call. He didn’t put all his weight on him, didn’t hit him in the head - nothing.
 
Darnay Holmes must have some secret info on the Mara’s, he is so incredibly awful.
 
Everyone on this offense besides Andrew Thomas and Saquon epitomize mediocrity. One half against an awful Arizona team doesn’t change that.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Everyone on this offense besides Andrew Thomas and Saquon epitomize mediocrity. One half against an awful Arizona team doesn’t change that.
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Saqoun, ha, why am I not surprised you think he's anything special.

Basketball or football, it's all low basketball IQ stuff
 
HeGotGame said:
Saqoun, ha, why am I not surprised you think he's anything special.

Basketball or football, it's all low basketball IQ stuff
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LOL. When healthy he’s averaged about 1650 yards from scrimmage each season. Not anything special though. Really good take there. Is Daniel Jones special?
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
LOL. When healthy he’s averaged about 1650 yards from scrimmage each season. Not anything special though. Really good take there. Is Daniel Jones special?
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When healthy? So that's going to be 2 times in 6 years. He was good last year, garabage in 2021, and played 2 games in 2020, and barely cracked 1k rushing in 2019. But cool, he had 2 good years out of 5 so far and one was in 2018.

This year he has 2 balls hit his hands and resulting in INTs and Dimes bailed him out again in Arizona.

But no surprise you think he's special. You probably think he deserves a big long term contract. Gettlemen is that you?
 
HeGotGame said:
When healthy? So that's going to be 2 times in 6 years. He was good last year, garabage in 2021, and played 2 games in 2020, and barely cracked 1k rushing in 2019. But cool, he had 2 good years out of 5 so far and one was in 2018.

This year he has 2 balls hit his hands and resulting in INTs and Dimes bailed him out again in Arizona.

But no surprise you think he's special. You probably think he deserves a big long term contract. Gettlemen is that you?
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Dimes bailed him out against Arizona??? Brother, Dimes was shocking in the first half against a TERRIBLE defense. And if you think that pick against Dallas was Saquon’s fault, you really must just be completely biased.

Barely cracked 1k lol. Okay, let’s use the Danny Jones logic against you. Saquon cracked 1k, in 13 GAMES, on an average of 4.6 YPC. With 438 receiving yards. With an awful O-Line, right? Or are the O-Line issues only relevant when it’s Jones?

So, that’s obviously 3 good years. And yes, I do think Saquon deserved a contract. Apparently Daniel Jones thinks he’s special too, because he’s spent his career dinking balls to him hoping Saquon can make a play.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Everyone on this offense besides Andrew Thomas and Saquon epitomize mediocrity. One half against an awful Arizona team doesn’t change that.
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An argument could be made that, in real time, it appeared that Leonard Williams landed on Purdy, not necessarily with his full weight, but number-to-number gives that impression. Again, I'm not saying he could have done anything different in the moment, but that is going to be called 93 times out of 100 the way it played out. The bigger beef was why Trent Williams wasn't ejected after punching Robinson. The NFL's justification was bogus at best. Neither event caused the Giants to lose on their own, but the game is played by humans and the Giants very well lost some aggressiveness as the game went on.

In general, the Giants have bigger issues. Their schedule doesn't really have a soft spot, the offense is anemic at the moment, and the defense is being exposed in the early going. As good as Barkley is, he is also unreliable and even if he were 100% last night, the Giants are inexperienced and appear soft up front. If they don't beat the Seahawks next weekend, there is a real possibility of entering November with only 2 wins.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Dimes bailed him out against Arizona??? Brother, Dimes was shocking in the first half against a TERRIBLE defense. And if you think that pick against Dallas was Saquon’s fault, you really must just be completely biased.

Barely cracked 1k lol. Okay, let’s use the Danny Jones logic against you. Saquon cracked 1k, in 13 GAMES, on an average of 4.6 YPC. With 438 receiving yards. With an awful O-Line, right? Or are the O-Line issues only relevant when it’s Jones?

So, that’s obviously 3 good years. And yes, I do think Saquon deserved a contract. Apparently Daniel Jones thinks he’s special too, because he’s spent his career dinking balls to him hoping Saquon can make a play.
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Yes, barely cracking 1k isnt special. You know who had more rushing yards than him that year? Marlon Mack. Carlos Hyde. Mark Ingram. Philip Lindsey. Chris Carson. Leonard Fournette. Saqoun finished 1 spot ahead of Sony Michel on the rushing list.

Glad you are not running the team (or UConn for that matter of Dan Hurley would be fired) because you'd be the one GM in the league giving him a big contract.

And FYI they play 2 halves in football, Dimes balled out in the 2nd to win that game.

Oh, and against that terrible D Saqoun averaged 3.7 yards per carry. Sick.
 
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