2019-20 nonconference schedules

[SCspur]

The committee isn't always consistent but Maryland in 2017 had a weaker resume than Miss St in 2019. Yes, Maryland 17's was that bad. MSU at least had multiple top-25 wins (SC x2, TAMU, Marquette, KY). Maryland 17 had only one.

I was mainly speaking to their schedule next year in regards to the 2017 Maryland team but who knows with the committee anything can happen.

 

[Plebe]

Oregon went 5-3 entering the tournament last year, Stanford had won 9 straight. Both had almost identical records, but Stanford had a slightly higher RPI and SOS. Close, but they were still ahead and Stanford won the most recent matchup. They weren't light years ahead of Oregon, but based on the body of work they deserved to be in Oregon over the Ducks.

The original point I was trying to make was that no one ever considered the option of putting Stanford in Portland and moving Oregon to a different regional even if Stanford did have a stronger resume (which they did).

I don't agree. Oregon's resume on the whole had a very slight edge over Stanford's. Having a slightly higher RPI and SOS doesn't necessarily equate to having the stronger resume. In a comparison of quality wins and significant losses, Oregon just edged out Stanford.

 

[SCspur]

And I say it is what it is at this point.

I definitely don't think you're guaranteed Greenville. Don't know if you would have played in Greenville last year, and Mississippi State would've probably been the #1 seed there last year if the locations last year was this year's.

Attendance is one thing but it's not everything. I think you have to at least be a #1 or #2 seed to be playing in Greenville and I would definitely believe we are your biggest threat for that spot. Vic could easily finish higher in the standings than SC this year and be a higher overall ranked team which would give us the argument over you in Greenville.

Not saying you can't be overconfident in your team, but I'm just wondering if you realize that MSU and SC are seen as practically equal going into the year with about the same level of talent. I'm just surprised you don't see us as, once again, your main threat.

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I might have a biased eye but I think SC has more talent. That’s not to say Miss St doesn’t I just feel like SC has more. I also never said you all weren’t SC’s main threat, A&M are threats as well, I just feel like the advantages plays in SC’s favor this year.

 

[SCspur]

@bballnut90

I agree with most of what you're saying. Louisville probably deserved to be over us (and they were). They shouldn't be penalized that harshly for one bad game. Although a really bad game and the fact that anyone could just say "we'll be #1 anyways, it's against Notre Dame win or lose, why bother playing at all." Still, despite that argument, it really was just one bad game by them and their highs were higher than ours last year. However, I think the fact that UConn had only 4 wins over teams seeded 8 or higher vs ours having 7 is a legitimate argument for putting us over UConn.

Though I agree with you about Oregon and Stanford. And now that you bring it up, I do see how similar their final resumes looked, though based on my eye test I thought Oregon was overall the better team. That game at the Farm was too big of a disaster for Stanford to erase from your eyes even though Stanford boasted some huge wins during the year: in the Pac-12 conference title game and against the #1 overall team.

And no arguments about your discussion on locations. Playing in Dallas is probably what most people are thinking right now, and I don't mind playing there but if Vic could reload his team up as well as he did last year, and grab some key wins on our schedule, and get into that conversation for being a #1 seed, I do think Greenville is definitely possible for us. Those are the two most realistic destinations - hoping dearly we don't get Portland again.

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Also have to include A&M as a possibility to Dallas and either Miss St or them will likely have to play Baylor if that’s their destination. There’s also a possibility of Fort Wayne as well especially when the Committee thinks of you have to fully on a plane why not go farther.

 

[SimpleDawg]

I might have a biased eye but I think SC has more talent. That’s not to say Miss St doesn’t I just feel like SC has more. I also never said you all weren’t SC’s main threat, A&M are threats as well, I just feel like the advantages plays in SC’s favor this year.

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no problem with you predicting SC higher than us this year, but just not sure of the exact extent of how much you think we'll be a little worse than you.

And I think talent level is quite equal in Columbia and Starkville. 10 top 100 recruits by SC, 9 by Missisissippi State. Plus a few more (Scott, Bibby) that outplayed their initial ranking. SC might have more players ranked higher on the top 100 initially though, but I don't think those slight differences in initial ranking will end up showing on the court.

Sure... A&M is possible in Dallas too and if that's the case we could get Fort Wayne which could end up being the easiest regional if you think about it. If UConn gets sent somewhere else and Notre Dame takes a dip like everyone predicts, we might roll through that bracket easier depending on who the #1 or #2 team is there.

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[Jmsdawg]

yikes....

I criticized Baylor’s OOC schedule but MSST OOC is even worse. I really do not see any game that will have any positive impact on attracting new WBB fans. Going to be hard to find a interesting game to watch amoung these game even for a MSST fan.

 

[Reypl21]

I criticized Baylor’s OOC schedule but MSST OOC is even worse. I really do not see any game that will have any positive impact on attracting new WBB fans. Going to be hard to find a interesting game to watch amoung these game even for a MSST fan.

I criticize both for their weak OOC schedules. Baylor is pathetic for being the defending champions and scheduling weak. Pathetic.

Vic has been feasting on cupcakes for several years. He came up just short of being champions the first two years, while missing out on the FF last year. I can't argue with his results, but his way of getting their is questionable. Playing against tough teams teaches you so much more than beating up on low teams.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

I criticize both for their weak OOC schedules. Baylor is pathetic for being the defending champions and scheduling weak. Pathetic.

Vic has been feasting on cupcakes for several years. He came up just short of being champions the first two years, while missing out on the FF last year. I can't argue with his results, but his way of getting their is questionable. Playing against tough teams teaches you so much more than beating up on low teams.

But sadly, that is much the norm. I type a spreadsheet with the schedules for all the P5's, AAC (that will stop after UConn leaves), nBE and Rutgers and Arizona's opponents (then I highlight the wins in 1 color and the losses in another).

In any case, I find each year that schedules are not strong for most schools. UConn is an obvious exception every year, and select teams each season will have good schedules, often predicated on some tourneys they are in. But few of the decent (never mind top) teams play more than 3 really competitive games OOC. In large part, they count on the RPI boost of their conference, I suppose.

Notre Dame has often scheduled tougher than most, by the way, and Rutgers did for many years, although they have slacked off.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I should just put this out there, but we tried REALLY hard to schedule top names, but it's much easier for teams who already had a contract worked out years before the schedule's release. I'll think we'll need to work out some future contracts by the end of this year against top teams... one that both sides can agree on.

But like I said, maybe the SEC won't suck this year and we can get a lot of good wins in conference. And that we play Stanford and another top 10 team in Vancouver this year. I'm sure Notre Dame or Louisville or some other top ACC team will go to Vancouver. Last year SC, Notre Dame, and Oregon State were there. They'll probably be 3 top 10 teams there this year.


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I'm calling baloney on that one. Miss State has been a thing for several years now and has had plenty of time to get home and homes and neutral site appearances with top 20 programs. It's not like the college basketball elite tend to shy away from high profile games.

Cupcake schedule in college basketball makes no sense at all to me. Particularly for teams that know good and well they are going to make the tournament.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

And I say it is what it is at this point.

I definitely don't think you're guaranteed Greenville. Don't know if you would have played in Greenville last year, and Mississippi State would've probably been the #1 seed there last year if the locations last year was this year's.

Attendance is one thing but it's not everything. I think you have to at least be a #1 or #2 seed to be playing in Greenville and I would definitely believe we are your biggest threat for that spot. Vic could easily finish higher in the standings than SC this year and be a higher overall ranked team which would give us the argument over you in Greenville.

Not saying you can't be overconfident in your team, but I'm just wondering if you realize that MSU and SC are seen as practically equal going into the year with about the same level of talent. I'm just surprised you don't see us as, once again, your main threat.

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In all likelihood, the NCAA will send South Carolina as far west as it can possibly manage, but Kentucky tends to be seeded in Lexington every time it's a possibility regardless of their seed so it's been known to happen.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no problem with you predicting SC higher than us this year, but just not sure of the exact extent of how much you think we'll be a little worse than you.

And I think talent level is quite equal in Columbia and Starkville. 10 top 100 recruits by SC, 9 by Missisissippi State. Plus a few more (Scott, Bibby) that outplayed their initial ranking. SC might have more players ranked higher on the top 100 initially though, but I don't think those slight differences in initial ranking will end up showing on the court.

Sure... A&M is possible in Dallas too and if that's the case we could get Fort Wayne which could end up being the easiest regional if you think about it. If UConn gets sent somewhere else and Notre Dame takes a dip like everyone predicts, we might roll through that bracket easier depending on who the #1 or #2 team is there.

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I don't think the following means a whole lot, but I kind of object to your use of statistics:

Top 15 Top 30 Top 50 Top 75 Top 100
South Carolina 5 7 9 10 10
Miss State 2 4 6 7 9

Looking at that makes me a little anxious. South Carolina has a lot of high end talent on next season's roster.

 

[mbr33ct]

Such nonsense.

When UConn first joined the AAC the mantra was: the team won't be prepared for the NCAA tournament playing in such an easy conference. Then after UConn won four straight National Championships the mantra became: it's unfair that UConn has a chance to rest during it's conference season (even though the travel is brutal and UConn plays ranked non-conference teams in Jan and Feb).

Then, after UConn failed to win the championship for 3 straight years, we're back to the conference schedule isn't tough enough to prepare for the rigors of the Final Four. But now we're hearing the easy conference argument again.

It's tough to keep up.

I hope this tag line, " However he has the advantage of being able to rest and recover and prep for the postseason during the AAC BE conference schedule." does not carry into the following year BE and beyond.

 

[mbr33ct]

Love Vic and what he has done with MSU. They have been one of the top programs the last few years (2 final fours and elite 8). They should not be playing OOC schedules like this. This is something I would expect Vandy, Florida or Ole Miss to play....

...or a team like Tenn that's rebuilding.

 

[mbr33ct]

I criticize both for their weak OOC schedules. Baylor is pathetic for being the defending champions and scheduling weak. Pathetic.

Vic has been feasting on cupcakes for several years. He came up just short of being champions the first two years, while missing out on the FF last year. I can't argue with his results, but his way of getting their is questionable. Playing against tough teams teaches you so much more than beating up on low teams.

I heard Vic has a sweet tooth, as another poster suggested.

 

[Jmsdawg]

I don't think the following means a whole lot, but I kind of object to your use of statistics:

Top 15 Top 30 Top 50 Top 75 Top 100
South Carolina 5 7 9 10 10
Miss State 2 4 6 7 9

Looking at that makes me a little anxious. South Carolina has a lot of high end talent on next season's roster.

My take, I believe SC and MSST will both be very good next season, as to who wins the SEC I still think A&M has the experience and talent and has the edge as of today. If A&M stumbles I think physicality will be the key to winning the SEC. I know Vic will do all he can get us ready as will Dawn, going to be an exciting season next year. BRING IT ON!

 

[DaBball]

My take, I believe SC and MSST will both be very good next season, as to who wins the SEC I still think A&M has the experience and talent and has the edge as of today. If A&M stumbles I think physicality will be the key to winning the SEC. I know Vic will do all he can get us ready as will Dawn, going to be an exciting season next year. BRING IT ON!

I don't really think it matters who has more top-100 or top-10 recruits -- at this point it is all about performance. Last year, Mississippi State had 6 top-100 recruits, and I think just one top-40 recruit, Dawn had about 10 top-100 recruits, and about 5 top-40 recruits.

Even the past two years when Vic is 3-1 against Dawn, Dawn always had the talent that was ranked higher out of HS.

 

[SimpleDawg]

I don't think the following means a whole lot, but I kind of object to your use of statistics:

Top 15 Top 30 Top 50 Top 75 Top 100
South Carolina 5 7 9 10 10
Miss State 2 4 6 7 9

Looking at that makes me a little anxious. South Carolina has a lot of high end talent on next season's roster.

I can't follow you on those numbers. My phone screen is displaying them on erractically aligned rows.

And about that entire schedule talk, I think its because Dawn is trying to be Geno. Vic is just trying to be Vic.

 

[SCspur]

I can't follow you on those numbers. My phone screen is displaying them on erractically aligned rows.

And about that entire schedule talk, I think its because Dawn is trying to be Geno. Vic is just trying to be Vic.

Dawn has always scheduled tough even before SC had A’ja. She always challenge her teams before SEC play. If you have the talent why not play top teams? It’ll be interesting to see who is the better team when SC and Miss meets up in SEC play based on their different schedules played that’s for sure.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Dawn has always scheduled tough even before SC had A’ja. She always challenge her teams before SEC play. If you have the talent why not play top teams? It’ll be interesting to see who is the better team when SC and Miss meets up in SEC play based on their different schedules played that’s for sure.

Vic says he didnt want to subject his young team to a grueling road trip because all teams only wanted to play us if they play at home first.

Remember what it did to South Carolina last year? You guys started terribly mostly because your young team was mentally shaken early with losses to Drake and Maryland...both couldve been different games if played in February.

Despite your stronger nonconference, the conference schedule we play is the same so.... its not like that all matters once it gets deeper into the season.

 

[SCspur]

Vic says he didnt want to subject his young team to a grueling road trip because all teams only wanted to play us if they play at home first.

Remember what it did to South Carolina last year? You guys started terribly mostly because your young team was mentally shaken early with losses to Drake and Maryland...both couldve been different games if played in February.

Despite your stronger nonconference, the conference schedule we play is the same so.... its not like that all matters once it gets deeper into the season.

This is a much different SC team than last year. Much deeper talent pool young or not. More players can do different things on the court so why not test their abilities to the fullest? Fans want to see games against top competition not a bunch of cupcakes lol. I digress but I can assure you Dawn can live by scheduling tough.

 

[Jmsdawg]

Dawn has always scheduled tough even before SC had A’ja. She always challenge her teams before SEC play. If you have the talent why not play top teams? It’ll be interesting to see who is the better team when SC and Miss meets up in SEC play based on their different schedules played that’s for sure.

Have to agree with SCspur on tougher OOC schedule usually get a team ready for conference play and more important tournament play. For me OOC should be the time for elites to play elites, those are the games everyone wants to see.

 

[SCspur]

Have to agree with SCspur on tougher OOC schedule usually get a team ready for conference play and more important tournament play. For me OOC should be the time for elites to play elites, those are the games everyone wants to see.

It’s definitely better for the fans as well.

 

[TerpWomenFan]

Have to agree with SCspur on tougher OOC schedule usually get a team ready for conference play and more important tournament play. For me OOC should be the time for elites to play elites, those are the games everyone wants to see.

Not necessarily. Look at Ohio State and Kelsey Mitchell. They played a really tough OOC schedule but continued to perform poorly in the NCAA tournament.

 

[SCspur]

Not necessarily. Look at Ohio State and Kelsey Mitchell. They played a really tough OOC schedule but continued to perform poorly in the NCAA tournament.

And we all know why.....

 

[Reypl21]

I'm interested to see how hard Muffet makes her schedule. She has scheduled pretty tough schedules the past few years, and the ACC is obviously one of the best conferences.

Does she send her inexperienced team through a gauntlet of teams that could easily beat them? Or play it safe and play more cupcakes than usual?

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Vic says he didnt want to subject his young team to a grueling road trip because all teams only wanted to play us if they play at home first.

Remember what it did to South Carolina last year? You guys started terribly mostly because your young team was mentally shaken early with losses to Drake and Maryland...both couldve been different games if played in February.

Despite your stronger nonconference, the conference schedule we play is the same so.... its not like that all matters once it gets deeper into the season.

USC lost some games early. So what?

If anything it helped.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I can't follow you on those numbers. My phone screen is displaying them on erractically aligned rows.

And about that entire schedule talk, I think its because Dawn is trying to be Geno. Vic is just trying to be Vic.

If you give it a try you might just be able to figure it out.

Staley just isn’t afraid of losing.

 

[CBus13]

I don't know if we are still sharing Non Conference schedules, but OSU shared theirs a few weeks back.


Valpo and Sacramento St. are the only +200 RPI's (from last year). Next highest (or is it lowest?) is Radford at 75. Pretty fun schedule overall for a team with one senior and 10 underclassmen. (the two juniors are a walk-on and Braxtin Miller, Okla. St. Transfer who I think is sitting out).

 

[Dwilliams02]

I'm interested to see how hard Muffet makes her schedule. She has scheduled pretty tough schedules the past few years, and the ACC is obviously one of the best conferences.

Does she send her inexperienced team through a gauntlet of teams that could easily beat them? Or play it safe and play more cupcakes than usual?

I don't think ND will take many steps back. Muffett too good of a coach. It'll be a different team but I expect them to play at an elite level by time tournament time come.

 

[MSUFan2003]

USC lost some games early. So what?

If anything it helped.

I think this is a good philosophy. It also gives you a better idea of where you stand. Beating a sub 200 RPI team doesn't tell you a lot.