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2018 Recruiting: All 3 of our recruits got a bump up; Kisunas in particular

My God people. The kids coming in fit a profile and a need for the roster we have. Each of them does. Are they McD stars? No. Do you need those players to win? No.

We can say Ollie hasn't developed them or that they failed to develop themselves. I really don't know, and unless you are at every practice, neither do any of you. What I can say without hesitation is that Ollie has not gotten the most from what he has. After the NC team, which overachieved, every other team has underachieved its talent level. Some of that is the guys, but I think most is on the coach who never deployed the guys effectively or put them in positions to succeed.

I think we need to step back a bit from the ledge. Are you guys expecting that we should, within a year or so, be challenging Duke or UK for a spot in the top 10 or a #1 seed? It that what drives this lunacy? That's phase three. Phase one: win 21-22 games and make the tournament. Phase 2: win 25-26 games, win the AAC or second place at worst and get a decent seed in the tournament. Phase three: challenge the big guns as a top tier program.
We are trying to win more games than we lose, and players like these can certainly take us there, and to phase 2. Once we get to phase two, we can expect more top 40 type players.
 
pj said:
Yes. He's learning on the job, no doubt about that. But there's no reason to think he can't learn. He's changed up the type of players he recruits and the people he has recruiting, so it seems he's learned something.
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Learning on the job. Say that a couple of times. Then think $3M.

I am pretty sure that when you earn that kind of dough, you are normally required to be pretty good at your job.
I truly hope something changes and things turn around soon. I just don't see us developing an offense that will be competitive with the big boys. Perhaps the break has provided an opportunity to grow as a team. If not, there could be some very tough nights in the near future. The deflation from another Arkansas type game would be troublesome to the team's confidence, in my opinion. Not trying to be negative, just voicing realistic concern.
 
pj said:
Actually, it's more impressive to develop somebody else's recruits than your own. Just like it's more impressive for a business executive to successfully manage someone else's hires than his own.
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Unless he hires the wrong people...
 
Burnsbros23 said:
These rankings after a 100 suck. They see these kids maybe play once or twice. Sure Meyer has barely seen Matthews.
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I would even go as far to say after the top 50 it's all interchangeable with the guys 51-150 more or less. It's all guess work and inexact these scouting services don't see the kids enough and in a structured setting and have no clue how their bodies and inner drive to get better will develop going forward
 
Huskybass said:
Learning on the job. Say that a couple of times. Then think $3M.

I am pretty sure that when you earn that kind of dough, you are normally required to be pretty good at your job.
I truly hope something changes and things turn around soon. I just don't see us developing an offense that will be competitive with the big boys. Perhaps the break has provided an opportunity to grow as a team. If not, there could be some very tough nights in the near future. The deflation from another Arkansas type game would be troublesome to the team's confidence, in my opinion. Not trying to be negative, just voicing realistic concern.
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Over the past 10 years only Coach K and good ole Roy have more ncaa championships.

The coaches other than Ollie that have championships during that period have an average years head coach of 31 years.
 
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methodology said:
Over the past 10 years only Coach K and good ole Roy have more ncaa championships.

The coaches other than Ollie that have championships during that period have an average years head coach of 31 years.
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So because he won a championship he's no longer required to perform his duties as coach?
 
Huskybass said:
The deflation from another Arkansas type game would be troublesome to the team's confidence, in my opinion. Not trying to be negative, just voicing realistic concern.
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We definitely don't respond well to beatings. That's for sure. Very easy to shake this team up.
 
superjohn said:
So because he won a championship he's no longer required to perform his duties as coach?
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He's paid $3 mil cause he won a title. Everyone knew after 2014 it was going to take couple years to really be "full" again after the sanctions and being in AAC. Having all those injuries/transfers last year and then replacing Miller with Chill has put UConn in another situation where 2018 and 2019 recruiting classes and performance of team will decide Ollies fate.

Can't get rid of him now because of team underperforming because you of budget crisis and you will lose Chill along with his connections and clout on the recruiting trail along with the incoming class. That will set UConn back 3-4 years for a complete rebuild in the AAC. A lot of posters are insufferable now I can't imagine their mental state/ health if they get they wish of firing Ollie and seeing the aftermath which they seem oblivious to
 
HuskyHawk said:
My God people. The kids coming in fit a profile and a need for the roster we have. Each of them does. Are they McD stars? No. Do you need those players to win? No.

We can say Ollie hasn't developed them or that they failed to develop themselves. I really don't know, and unless you are at every practice, neither do any of you. What I can say without hesitation is that Ollie has not gotten the most from what he has. After the NC team, which overachieved, every other team has underachieved its talent level. Some of that is the guys, but I think most is on the coach who never deployed the guys effectively or put them in positions to succeed.

I think we need to step back a bit from the ledge. Are you guys expecting that we should, within a year or so, be challenging Duke or UK for a spot in the top 10 or a #1 seed? It that what drives this lunacy? That's phase three. Phase one: win 21-22 games and make the tournament. Phase 2: win 25-26 games, win the AAC or second place at worst and get a decent seed in the tournament. Phase three: challenge the big guns as a top tier program.
We are trying to win more games than we lose, and players like these can certainly take us there, and to phase 2. Once we get to phase two, we can expect more top 40 type players.
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We are sounding like the football board trying to rationalize these lower recruits. Well not that bad of course as the football side is scraping the bottom of the barrel so to speak. Though this is a discouraging sign to not getting higher ranked receuits.
 
methodology said:
He's paid $3 mil cause he won a title. Everyone knew after 2014 it was going to take couple years to really be "full" again after the sanctions and being in AAC. Having all those injuries/transfers last year and then replacing Miller with Chill has put UConn in another situation where 2018 and 2019 recruiting classes and performance of team will decide Ollies fate.

Can't get rid of him now because of team underperforming because you of budget crisis and you will lose Chill along with his connections and clout on the recruiting trail along with the incoming class. That will set UConn back 3-4 years for a complete rebuild in the AAC. A lot of posters are insufferable now I can't imagine their mental state/ health if they get they wish of firing Ollie and seeing the aftermath which they seem oblivious to
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The aftermath of getting a good coach, oh the horror.
 
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methodology said:
Name the coach I'll wait...
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methodology I share much of the same thoughts you have on the coaching situation. I see your replies to no one, at least for me as I have the posters you are replying to on ignore and you should do the same. They all share the same philosophies agree or not and have a point they really do, but they make their same points all too often. They have no other view on UConn basketball except "fire Ollie" so you really need to just put that posse on hold, you won't win they know all. If our Huskies win a few in a row they will go away I promise. Problem is the next couple weeks will make the posse very happy with that schedule more than likely but you never know, so stay positive and keep up the good fight.;)
 
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Dan Hurley is 16 games over .500 and his dad hated JC. Also his recruiting at URI mostly mid- lower 200s. Only 1 top 100 and 2 top 200 recruits counting classes 2016-2018 looking at 247
 
methodology said:
Dan Hurley is 16 games over .500 and his dad hated JC. Also his recruiting at URI mostly mid- lower 200s. Only 1 top 100 and 2 top 200 recruits counting classes 2016-2018 looking at 247
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C'mon those numbers are acceptable as long as its not KO, geez methodolgy. But but but.....the league is better than ours so it's harder to win for Coach Hurley.
 
methodology said:
Dan Hurley is 16 games over .500 and his dad hated JC. Also his recruiting at URI mostly mid- lower 200s. Only 1 top 100 and 2 top 200 recruits counting classes 2016-2018 looking at 247
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Please stop repeating this lie that Bob Hurley hated Calhoun, it couldn't be further from the truth.

Dan Hurley took over a dumpster fire at URI and turned them around. It's the second program he has turned around. The whole family can coach, it's in their blood.

Your point about recruiting is really strange, what kind of recruiting do you expect at URI?
 
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Umass has recruited better. What kind of recruits do you expect him to get at UConn if he can't out recruit umass.

Also why would Hurley want to take over a depleted roster/ dumpster fire after Ollie is fired. He can hold out at URI and wait for an big 10, acc, big east job
 
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methodology said:
@superjohn

Umass has recruited better. What kind of recruits do you expect him to get at UConn if he can't out recruit umass.

Also why would Hurley want to take over a depleted roster/ dumpster fire after Ollie is fired. He can hold out at URI and wait for an big 10, acc, big east job
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You ask for a name of a coach. I give you a name, you make up some bogus reasons for why he's no good. You then reverse course and pretend he's too good for Uconn.

We keep messing around, having wasted seasons, and falling further into irrelevancy and you'll get your wish, nobody will want to come here.
 
Haven't reversed course. Keep reaching

If Ollie is fired you lose the 2018 recruiting class, jalen and Terry gone and quite possibly AG transfers along with 2 of the current freshman.

Imagine that 2018 roster. It would be like BC 2 years ago or Pitt this year but worse. You think a good coach is going to want to touch that or come in to be the savoir knowing if they fail they will never get another high profile job and in order for them to succeed it will take 3-4 years while the fickle fan base berates you

Yea that's a great situation that attracts all the top coaches
 
Danny boy is getting desperate. There is lots of leaks into the Boneyard that he is interested in the UCONN job. Why is that, he hire Tom Moore to be an assistant, Invite Glenn Miller to RI practice and practically told him that he has a job if Danny boy becomes the UCONN coach. The reason Danny Boy is desperate is that this is his final yr that he can get a big time job. His team is at its Zenith last yr and this yr also. After that, he is done. Last yr's team had 4 top 50 players that were Junior or seniors ( Kuran Iverson, Jared Terrell, Stanford Robinson and JC Matthews). He made his first NCAA after 8 yrs as a head coach and that is his peak. This yr, Terrell, Robinson and Matthews are all seniors. The top 5 scorer are seniors and he has no good recruits coming in. Next yr, RI will be in the bottom half of the Atlantic 10 and will stay that way for a few yrs. He is being smart and try to get out of Dodge. He is not a good coach, the top 50s recruits are not going to the NBA. He will destroy the UCONN MBB for a few yrs. Ollie and the new recruits/coach are the answer
 
Whtdmd said:
Danny boy is getting desperate. There is lots of leaks into the Boneyard that he is interested in the UCONN job. Why is that, he hire Tom Moore to be an assistant, Invite Glenn Miller to RI practice and practically told him that he has a job if Danny boy becomes the UCONN coach. The reason Danny Boy is desperate is that this is his final yr that he can get a big time job. His team is at its Zenith last yr and this yr also. After that, he is done. Last yr's team had 4 top 50 players that were Junior or seniors ( Kuran Iverson, Jared Terrell, Stanford Robinson and JC Matthews). He made his first NCAA after 8 yrs as a head coach and that is his peak. This yr, Terrell, Robinson and Matthews are all seniors. The top 5 scorer are seniors and he has no good recruits coming in. Next yr, RI will be in the bottom half of the Atlantic 10 and will stay that way for a few yrs. He is being smart and try to get out of Dodge. He is not a good coach, the top 50s recruits are not going to the NBA. He will destroy the UCONN MBB for a few yrs. Ollie and the new recruits/coach are the answer
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This is too funny. Methodology goes on about how Dan Hurley can't recruit and his dad hates Calhoun, then changes his argument to Dan Hurley being too good for Uconn. You come along and go on about how Dan Hurley recruits too well.
 
Whtdmd said:
Danny boy is getting desperate. There is lots of leaks into the Boneyard that he is interested in the UCONN job. Why is that, he hire Tom Moore to be an assistant, Invite Glenn Miller to RI practice and practically told him that he has a job if Danny boy becomes the UCONN coach. The reason Danny Boy is desperate is that this is his final yr that he can get a big time job. His team is at its Zenith last yr and this yr also. After that, he is done. Last yr's team had 4 top 50 players that were Junior or seniors ( Kuran Iverson, Jared Terrell, Stanford Robinson and JC Matthews). He made his first NCAA after 8 yrs as a head coach and that is his peak.
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Where did you get all that from?
 
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mauconnfan said:
NEforceUConn with another solid post oh wait probably not sorry.

10, 9, 8, 7..... and so on
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Again dude I am the original NEForce not that scum bag BCU fan with NE Football in his title. Thought my original post, tongue in cheek, was maybe amusing

Christ - I may have to change my name because some guy fricken BCU troll mirrors me. Maybe change to Fichy, or Temory
 
NEforceUConn said:
Christ - I may have to change my name because some guy fricken BCU troll mirrors me. Maybe change to Fichy, or Temory
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I don't think either of those will go very well for you.

Now 'Chief12' has some legs though...
 
upstater said:
He's been the head coach since 2013.

He won a national championship, where he actually DID develop several players on that team.

The recruiting bump for the NC was supposed to come last year and the year before. It didn't.

The current class have seen UConn struggle for 2 years (2015 and 2016) but the classes prior to that had only seen success.

Your timeline is off.
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He won a national championship with players recruited and coached by HC Jim Calhoun for 2 years (important developmental years). At this point, I’ll be convinced once I see some achievement ( i’ll take a sweet 16), with players recruited and coached only by KO.
 
UConn became a national name without any big name recruits other than Chris Smith. But they were the right kind of recruits and put in the work it took to make the team a great team. Jake Voskuhl never scored 20 points in a game in high school, college or the NBA but he won a National Championship and played somewhere around ten years in the NBA. Not everybody needs to be a star to have a great team.

Take a look at the YouTube video of Kemba talking about how he realized he needed to improve and how much he learned the summer he spent as one of the opponents on the practice team the US National team played against. He put in the work and pulled together a bunch of freshmen and sophomores to win it all in 2011.

Maybe Gilbert was going to be the next Kemba and maybe we'll never see what he could have been but let's hope for his sake he gets to come back whole and show the leadership the team so badly needs..........even if it's not till next year.

Many have said Enoch was not a complete player and Jackson's father drove him to transfer. Not sure about Durham's issues, but maybe, just maybe, Kevin Ollie was signing the wrong kind of players and UConn was chasing the wrong kind of recruits. Hopefully he's figured that out and is focusing on good basketball players who want to work and win.

Even with Calhoun as coach Andre Drummond had a less than distinguished year at UConn.
 
Scrutiner said:
UConn became a national name without any big name recruits other than Chris Smith. But they were the right kind of recruits and put in the work it took to make the team a great team. Jake Voskuhl never scored 20 points in a game in high school, college or the NBA but he won a National Championship and played somewhere around ten years in the NBA. Not everybody needs to be a star to have a great team.
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This post failed right out of the gate and then kept accelerating until it went off a cliff and landed in a volcano.

UConn became a national name with all manner of big-name recruits. Chris Smith was about the least of them - Jake Voskuhl was on the court with two McD’s All-Americans and a gaggle of top 30/40 recruits.

The idea that UConn somehow became UConn by recruiting 13 kids with lunch pails and boot straps is just fiction.
 
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