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whaler11 said:
Yes and there is never any reason for them to misrepresent anything in the media to further their goals. Everything can be taken at face value, people never lie to the media!
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And Gene DeFillippo's "lie" that ESPN told them was for what purpose again? How did that further BC's or ACC's goals? Right. Refer back to my Dave Chappelle video on burden of proof for more on that...
 
whaler11, if you've ever been involved in a business negotiation you'd know how this will end. The Big East just isn't that valuable to ESPN because they already have content filling all of their air time, most of which they consider more valuable than the Big East. Fox has some free air time and NBC has a ton of it between the main channel on weekends and the cable sports network all week. So the Big East is most valuable to NBC, and they'll pay the most, while Fox will keep the bidding honest. Meanwhile the Big East is arranging everything to optimize value for a major national network -- nationwide presence, in major media markets, 4 time zone content, military academies, etc.

The first step in a deal is to maximize the amount of value created. The Big East is working hard on that. The next step is haggling over terms. I don't think this is going to be too hard. NBC will pay enough to stabilize its flagship content.
 
pj said:
whaler11, if you've ever been involved in a business negotiation you'd know how this will end. The Big East just isn't that valuable to ESPN because they already have content filling all of their air time, most of which they consider more valuable than the Big East. Fox has some free air time and NBC has a ton of it between the main channel on weekends and the cable sports network all week. So the Big East is most valuable to NBC, and they'll pay the most, while Fox will keep the bidding honest. Meanwhile the Big East is arranging everything to optimize value for a major national network -- nationwide presence, in major media markets, 4 time zone content, military academies, etc.

The first step in a deal is to maximize the amount of value created. The Big East is working hard on that. The next step is haggling over terms. I don't think this is going to be too hard. NBC will pay enough to stabilize its flagship content.
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PJ, I agree with much of your post, but not all. Just because NBC needs us the most does not necessarily mean they will bid the most. They will still have to evaluate advertising dollars and content balance versus any bid. Also, just because ESPN needs us the least does not mean that they will not attempt to "over-bid" (i.e., bid closer to projected revenue) in order to keep competitive stations out of college football, or to enhance their own large market share of college football.

Should Whaler be skeptical that NBC can deliver a 14 million dollar contract? Yes. Should Whaler be skeptical that an NBC contract may not provide us with an appropriate level of exposure should they over-leverage NBCSports and under-leverage the NBC main channel? Yes. My only issue with Whaler's arguments is the constant reliance on the notion that none of the information released so far deserves any merit at all. That's where he and I most often clash, really.
 
noeynox said:
What if the espn offer comes in at 8 million? None of UConn RU or UL could afford to take so much less. If the big east is in fact looking at that type of money when it comes time to negotiate the contract, espn will know of the GOR thing and initiate another round of expansion to further weaken the big east negotiating leverage.
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If the BE believes that its demise is being orchestrated by ESPN, and that the orchestration will continue if, and every time, the league starts to recover, and if they can provide proof (the kind that comes with documentation) of the orchestration, it should do something. Remember when Flipper made statements about ESPN "choosing" PIT and CUSE? Following Flipper's "lapse," and just prior to his hyperventilation filled retraction, at least three ESPN higher-highers went out of their way to refute Flipper's statement. Also, a decent source, and BC grad, kidded that Bodenheimer (Greenwich High/lives in New Canaan), on hearing of Flipper's comments, was po'd.

Po'd? my ass! He was probably halfway between coronary and brain hemorrhage.

However, I don't think anything can be proven because there is nothing to prove. One of ESPN's color guys, during a UCONN game, talked about people thinking he and ESPN were to tough on UCONN. Noting that 60 to 80% of Bristol employees were UCONN fans and that a significant number were alumi, going to far outside "normal" journalistic critique was unlikely. If his numbers represent anything close to fact, something would have been leaked, by now. Some rabid UCONN fan would have seen to it.
 
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
That would explain the "disappearances" of certain ESPN employees wouldn't it?
 
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whaler11 said:
The NBA has been promoting the WNBA for over a decade. Promotion does not equal success, it only equals promotion.

NBC promotes plenty of stuff today. Some of it is successful and some (most) of it isn't.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ip-through-week-36-ending-may-27-2012/136000/

In NBC's core function.. you know being a TV network, they are fourth out of four.
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Whaler, a lot you've said, in this thread, is true. But, it's one thing to promote any kind of football and another to promote Women's BB. Some people in CT. will never understand that, outside of this State and, maybe, a few college towns, oh, and parents, Women's BB does not strike a chord of any kind. Hell, the success of the women's program at UCONN is sometimes like a claymore mine the enemy has turned around on the good guys. It's used as a point of derision by FB and men's BB outsiders.

Football has a ready-made "chord" just waiting to be tickled. Ultimately the product has to be good, but people will, at least, give it a try. In terms of advertising, one (FB) is a new restaurant that specializes in big, juicy stakes, good fries, and 100 brands of foreign and domestic beer. The other (WBB) sells broccoli and water with lemon grass. Healthy? Yes, but many more folks are going to triple-up on their Lipitor dose and go for the steak and beer. And no amount of promotion is going to change the situation.
 
UConnDan97 said:
And Gene DeFillippo's "lie" that ESPN told them was for what purpose again? How did that further BC's or ACC's goals? Right. Refer back to my Dave Chappelle video on burden of proof for more on that...
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Yes, if there is anyone you can always take at face value it's an employee of the athletic department at Boston College University. They would never in a million years lie. Gene DeFillippo is a stand up guy. Why would he lie? Well if he thought his school's fans wouldn't be happy with the schools that were selected for expansion he would lie to put the blame elsewhere. He might lie to avoid being accused of keeping UConn out of the mix. He might be wrong - every meeting I go to has a lot of very smart people in attendance (not me of course) and many times those people have come to very different conclusions based on the discussion. If it's true why has no one else confirmed it?

You can believe everything one person says or writes. I choose not to. I'll believe that NBC has put Saturday in play when NBC says they have put it in play or a deal is signed that includes it. I'm certainly willing to say it may happen and I hope it does, but even the Big East claiming it exists does not mean it exists - they may just want ESPN to think it exists.

You must really enjoy election season, look at all the exciting promises and change the candidates will bring us come November!
 
Just for fun more Gene D comments:

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Guess what either he was lying before or he was lying in the apology. So is Gene D willing to lie to the media? Sure this is proof that he will and does, but I'm sure you'll tell me why I should believe everything he says at face value.​
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If you were to take him at face value and he spoke erroneously, then pretty much your whole argument on expansion and ESPN goes out the window.​
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So which is it? Gene D is willing to lie to the media and potentially can't be trusted - or ESPN didn't have anything to do with Syracuse and Pitt joining the ACC. I know which side I fall on....​
 
whaler11 said:
Just for fun more Gene D comments:

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Guess what either he was lying before or he was lying in the apology. So is Gene D willing to lie to the media? Sure this is proof that he will and does, but I'm sure you'll tell me why I should believe everything he says at face value.​
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If you were to take him at face value and he spoke erroneously, then pretty much your whole argument on expansion and ESPN goes out the window.​
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So which is it? Gene D is willing to lie to the media and potentially can't be trusted - or ESPN didn't have anything to do with Syracuse and Pitt joining the ACC. I know which side I fall on....​
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You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking! Do you really need for me to tell you why a big-mouth AD would have to say "mea culpa" after having let the horse out of the corral?? Wow, dude.

As far as election time, I actually find it to be horrible. Robo-calls from some damned telemarketing elephant or donkey, nobody talks about the issues, nobody brings facts to their discussion, and most people's minds are made up before they even know who wins the primary. In other words, very similar to the Boneyard...:eek:
 
CL82 said:
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
That would explain the "disappearances" of certain ESPN employees wouldn't it?
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Conspiracy Kitty strikes again!! Worth her weight in aluminum...
 
UConnDan97 said:
You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking! Do you really need for me to tell you why a big-mouth AD would have to say "mea culpa" after having let the horse out of the corral?? Wow, dude.

As far as election time, I actually find it to be horrible. Robo-calls from some damned telemarketing elephant or donkey, nobody talks about the issues, nobody brings facts to their discussion, and most people's minds are made up before they even know who wins the primary. In other words, very similar to the Boneyard...:eek:
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I'm not joking. So I guess you are landing on the side that the apology was
a lie. I agree somewhat, I hardly believe that Pitt and Syracuse were simply what ESPN said to do, but i'm sure they influenced.

So Gene D lies to and through the media. Just wanted to make sure you agreed.
 
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whaler11 said:
I'm not joking. So I guess you are landing on the side that the apology was
a lie. I agree somewhat, I hardly believe that Pitt and Syracuse were simply what ESPN said to do, but i'm sure they influenced.

So Gene D lies to and through the media. Just wanted to make sure you agreed.
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You just wanted to make sure that I agreed that he spilled something he shouldn't have, and then lied about the apology? Sure. Okay, good. So we're finally on the same page.
 
UConnDan97 said:
You just wanted to make sure that I agreed that he spilled something he shouldn't have, and then lied about the apology? Sure. Okay, good. So we're finally on the same page.
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Nope. That he is willing to lie to the media and therefore everything he says that can't be confirmed elsewhere may also be lies. Pretty obvious this is the case, but go ahead and take the word of scumbags at face value all you want.
 
whaler11 said:
Nope. That he is willing to lie to the media and therefore everything he says that can't be confirmed elsewhere may also be lies. Pretty obvious this is the case, but go ahead and take the word of scumbags at face value all you want.
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Well, at least we can agree that Gene is a scumbag. I knew we would find common ground here!
 
Jimdish255 said:
http://www.700wlw.com/player/?stati...e=podcast&program_id=KenBroo.xml&mid=22322128

Skip ahead to 15 min mark. Takes a minute to load.
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Thanks for finding that... I was going looking for a transcript tomorrow. Def worth a listen (8 minutes)...

Nick C seemed much better than our Acting BE commish in delivering a message -- "Until now we may have been not as bold in trying to get that message out (BE is alive message), but you are going see us become more and more bold as time goes by and we have more tangible things to talk about."

Nice thought process on Bowl possibilities (as FHCRE would say - they need to execute).
 
Pretty much called out ESPN. I like this guy.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Poor analogy. Try this one to see if it fits better: your business partner tells your competitor how to punch you in the face, and then your competitor punches you in the face.

So........keep the business partner???
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Wrong. Because you forget that ESPN was, and is, also business partners with the ACC. You also seem to forget ESPN made a big offer to the Big East, which was declined. When your business partner tells you they are not renewing the contract and are going to test the open market, they are informing you they do not intend to be your business partner anymore. At what point do we put our big boy pants on and understand that billions of dollars are at stake, and once negotiations fell through, ESPN decided to do what was best for ESPN, and not the Big East? Just like a free agent in sports who declines their option to test the waters. The team owes them nothing at that point, and is justified in treating them as a competitior rather than business partner.

You seem to be approaching this from the perspective that ESPN has no relationship with the ACC. So what they told the ACC what to do to make more money? You think they didn't tell the Big East what to do to make more money?

If that business partner is going to keep paying you fair market value, an amount that keeps you relevant and ideally more stable, you'd be stupid not to keep it. It's business, not personal.

You're missing the point of my analogy. It's got nothing to do with friends, or foes. If anyone (besides a government official with authority) tells you what to do, and you do it, you are responsible. Not the person who told you what to do. It's got nothing to do with friends, associates, business partners, or competitors.

And your analogy is off. You should have said "your business partner tells their business partner (who happens to be your competitor) how to punch you in the face, and then your competitor punches you in the face, the competitor is still to blame.

Of course anyone who really thinks the presidents of the ACC couldn't have figured out how to get more money (after raiding the Big East once already) and needed ESPN to tell them what to do is extremely naive anyway.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Notre Dame is the biggest brand/name in college sports. They would draw big ratings even if they played on the Food Network.

It's a whole different story for small brands like San Diego State, UCF and SMU, etc. where they need the exposure and to be in the mainstream media and casual sport's fan conscious.
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who do you think will provide them with more exposure, a network whose sports coverage basically boils down to Big East collegiate sports, or ESPN where there's probably zero chance of them being any higher than ESPN3 internet coverage? I'd take the first. there's a cost to leaving ESPN, but i think more is gained by adding a TV partner that wants you to succeed.

now one thing i feel like i have to add is that i've been able to watch every UConn game over the last several years, even against 1AA teams, and there's no guarantee that will be the case if we switch to NBC. sometimes i had to hook my laptop up to my TV for internet coverage (which i actually learned to prefer b/c there's way less commercials and BS on the net broadcasts. sometimes you even see the half time show) but i've always been able to watch them. at the end of the day, fans being able to watch games is the number one priority
 
ESPN hates the Big East so much, they offered them a billion dollars.
 
With regards to teh broadcasting value of the Big East conference, It's almost time for speculation to turn into reality.

It will be interesting.
 
mattp said:
who do you think will provide them with more exposure, a network whose sports coverage basically boils down to Big East collegiate sports, or ESPN where there's probably zero chance of them being any higher than ESPN3 internet coverage? I'd take the first. there's a cost to leaving ESPN, but i think more is gained by adding a TV partner that wants you to succeed.

now one thing i feel like i have to add is that i've been able to watch every UConn game over the last several years, even against 1AA teams, and there's no guarantee that will be the case if we switch to NBC. sometimes i had to hook my laptop up to my TV for internet coverage (which i actually learned to prefer b/c there's way less commercials and BS on the net broadcasts. sometimes you even see the half time show) but i've always been able to watch them. at the end of the day, fans being able to watch games is the number one priority
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SMU is not a "small brand." It's a big brand, in waiting.

Prior to the "Death Penalty," SMU was one of the biggest names in the old SWC. It was SMU's punishment that served as the catalyst for the conference's demise. When it finally comes to the BE, it will be the one school in the conference with the "tradition" we're always discussing. 11 SWC championships, 10 members of the College Hall Of Fame, 6 members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 14 Bowls including the original "Big 4,"and over 30 All-Americans including names like Don Meredith, Forest Gregg, Tobin Rote, Kyle Rote, Jerry Levias, Louie Kelcher, and many more. SMU also has, in total, one of the wealthiest alumni bases in the country. Hopefully they use their money correctly this time.

If SMU starts winning every year, and with their coach it's not a pipe dream, they will, once again, be judged as a national power. Even the dismissive talking heads will support SMU SMU they know. They can relate to SMU. SMU sings for these turkeys.

SMU's fans have been waiting, since the "Punishment'." They'll come back.
 
FAIRTIDES said:
SMU is not a "small brand." It's a big brand, in waiting.

Prior to the "Death Penalty," SMU was one of the biggest names in the old SWC. It was SMU's punishment that served as the catalyst for the conference's demise. When it finally comes to the BE, it will be the one school in the conference with the "tradition" we're always discussing. 11 SWC championships, 10 members of the College Hall Of Fame, 6 members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 14 Bowls including the original "Big 4,"and over 30 All-Americans including names like Don Meredith, Forest Gregg, Tobin Rote, Kyle Rote, Jerry Levias, Louie Kelcher, and many more. SMU also has, in total, one of the wealthiest alumni bases in the country. Hopefully they use their money correctly this time.

If SMU starts winning every year, and with their coach it's not a pipe dream, they will, once again, be judged as a national power. Even the dismissive talking heads will support SMU SMU they know. They can relate to SMU. SMU sings for these turkeys.

SMU's fans have been waiting, since the "Punishment'." They'll come back.
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SMU also had the benefit of Texas being down (relatively) back then. There was a void for the spot of top team in Texas. UT is down now, but clearly positioned to rotate with A&M/TCU for that title. It's really hard for SMU to get that attention. It's a big reason they were able to fill Texas Stadium.

I really don't think SMU can be a national power again. Too many cooks in the kitchen with bigger knives.
 
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zls44 said:
I really don't think SMU can be a national power again. Too many cooks in the kitchen with bigger knives.
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Wrong again. If SMU can't be a national power in any given year then neither can UCONN, BC, Cuse or PITT. We should all give up and go home.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Wrong again. If SMU can't be a national power in any given year then neither can UCONN, BC, Cuse or PITT. We should all give up and go home.
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There's a huge difference between National Power and competing on a national stage for a title in a given year. There are probably 5-10 "National Power" schools. Those are the schools that year-in, year-out can go into a season expecting to compete for a playoff spot.
 
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zls44 said:
SMU also had the benefit of Texas being down (relatively) back then. There was a void for the spot of top team in Texas. UT is down now, but clearly positioned to rotate with A&M/TCU for that title. It's really hard for SMU to get that attention. It's a big reason they were able to fill Texas Stadium.

I really don't think SMU can be a national power again. Too many cooks in the kitchen with bigger knives.
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My thinking is that, as has been the recent case, the "talking heads" will dwell on what they were and, assuming 9 or 10 wins seasons, will place them in the "high esteem" category. And you can not down play all that oil money.
 
zls44 said:
There's a huge difference between National Power and competing on a national stage for a title in a given year. There are probably 5-10 "National Power" schools. Those are the schools that year-in, year-out can go into a season expecting to compete for a playoff spot.
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You are the one who equated national power with A&M and TCU. They can be national powers but not SMU?

There is no such thing as being a "National Power" year in and year out. When is the last time ND finished in the top 5? When is the last time Penn State competed for a national championship? Alabama was down a peg before they got Saban. Every school has to prove it every year and there is a constant reshuffling.

OK state was one win away from competing for a title last year. Are they a national power? Have they always been?
 
metsfan2323 said:
You are the one who equated national power with A&M and TCU. They can be national powers but not SMU?

There is no such thing as being a "National Power" year in and year out. When is the last time ND finished in the top 5? When is the last time Penn State competed for a national championship? Alabama was down a peg before they got Saban. Every school has to prove it every year and there is a constant reshuffling.

OK state wa one win from competing for a title last year. Are they a national power? Have they always been?
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No he didn't. He specifically said competition for the top team in TX.

Please stop criticizing others for reading comprehension or taking things out of context.
 
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