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donalddoowop said:
Tuck would not have been a bench player in her sophomore year if she had not been hurt.
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Really? So which one of our starters in Stef (SR), Stewie (SO), Bria (SR), Mo (SO), and KML (JR) would you have sat for Tuck in the 2014 title game? We're spoiled. Only on our team would someone like Tuck come off the bench. Then again, we've had Diana Taurasi and Maya Moore come off the bench, so I guess it's not unprecedented.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Pulido and T have put in a lot of effort and time for this team. If you recall, there have been times when the team was down to just 8 scholarship players. If we gave away some bench minutes to Pulido this year as a tribute to her hard work I'd be OK with that in the same way that Heather Buck got her two minutes in the 2013 title game. Gabby can't shoot free throws or make baskets reliably from more than 5 feet away, so that's a non-starter in my opinion. Maybe she got a lot better over the summer, who knows. If we had Maya or Stewie on the bench, would you consider starting Gabby over either one of them? I don't think I would, and I'm not sure why we would treat KLS any differently. If you've got the best recruit in the country, and you have a spot to stick them, you do it and ask questions later.
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Gabby does shoot free throws, she just needs to start making more. KLS is not necessarily the BEST recruit in the country. She was the highest RATED recruit in MOST polls. Some polls had her second. Gabby and Edwards were rated higher than Nurse in high school, but look what happened.
 
Undoubtedly a player like Butler might be missed against ND, but she's not critical there. She will likely be more important against very big teams like South Carolina, which is why I'm glad that game is in February. :)
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
I can't remember a more interesting preseason or more cogently argued threads about who, when, where and why of starters and player positions. And no proverbial fist fights that I can recall. Is this a sign of maturity... or exhaustion?
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Hey Rock - Totally agree. Perhaps it was like Joe Friday said, "Just the facts Mam, just the facts." Maybe a little old school--Less style & more substance.
 
I'm not the least bit worried about the December 5th game with ND without Natalie. UCONN brings back 4 of the 5 players that started the championship game. The fifth starter for the game will in all probability be Katie Lou since she is 6'3 and a great outside shooter. I love Gabby, but she is an inside player and until she improves her outside shooting she should not start.
 
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UCONN will be victorious, but it will be a tremendous boost to Butler's psychological well being. When she plays, she will be a shining star among the other shining stars!!
 
j66kicker said:
"This is the city - Los Angeles, California. Five million sun-baked people with half-baked ideas. Some of those ideas are illegal. That's where I come in. My name is Joe Friday. I carry a badge."
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"Just the facts ma'm".
 
PaulD said:
UCONN will be victorious, but it will be a tremendous boost to Butler's psychological well being. When she plays, she will be a shining star among the other shining stars!!
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Then, you know what we can say, don't you? Wait for it. Wait, it will be worth it. The Butler did it! :p:cool::oops:...:rolleyes:
 
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j66kicker said:
"This is the city - Los Angeles, California. Five million sun-baked people with half-baked ideas. Some of those ideas are illegal. That's where I come in. My name is Joe Friday. I carry a badge."
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And someone in that series went on to become part of one of the most popular sitcoms of a different era. Who was he in what series for $20 dollars? Remember, say the secret word and the Quack comes down with $. No, no, Groucho was not in Dragnet. Just practicing "tangents" in anticipation of the season
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
And someone in that series went on to become part of one of the most popular sitcoms of a different era. Who was he in what series for $20 dollars? Remember, say the secret word and the Quack comes down with $. No, no, Groucho was not in Dragnet. Just practicing "tangents" in anticipation of the season
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Buddy Ebsen, Beverly Hillbillies. Also played in Davy Crockett.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
And someone in that series went on to become part of one of the most popular sitcoms of a different era. Who was he in what series for $20 dollars? Remember, say the secret word and the Quack comes down with $. No, no, Groucho was not in Dragnet. Just practicing "tangents" in anticipation of the season
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Harry Morgan, MASH
 
donalddoowop said:
Buddy Ebsen, Beverly Hillbillies. Also played in Davy Crockett.
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Sorry. Hillbillies had a run, but not like this one. The final episode rang up the all time great share for its time.

When the 2 1/2-hour "MASH" finale aired in 1983, 77% of the people watching television were tuned in, making it the most widely watched show in history.
 
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rugbymate said:
IMO the December ND game is a legitimate concern. Although I believe UCONN will prevail it may be a close game and perhaps one that is settled in the waning minutes. Yes we are returning four starters as are they. We lost KML who had a very solid if not terrific NC game. Stokes was pretty much a non-factor. ND lost JL who had a horrible final game offensively(4-18). AS has been noted , this is a game that was virtually even in the second half. The upside for us is that we get more out of Stewie and probably Nurse. The upside for ND is a more complete game from Turner and Allen taking up more of the offense in JL's absence. The 5th starter performance is clearly the wild card.
Thank goodness for home court advantage.
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I'm always concerned of ND. But "concern" is one thing- what I expect is another. I still expect UCONN to in. I think two keys to the game are 1.) the backcourt (which UCONN has best - could (I said "could" - not 'is.") be one of the great backcourts ever in that MoJeff could be better than Bird and Nurse could become great. And 2.) the Refs.

I don't agree with those that suggested Butler wouldn't start. And anyone that had suggested UCONN couldn't be a running team with MoJeff/Nurse/Tuck and Stewie also on the floor - I think they are wrong.

But one thing I liked about Butler is if refs make ticky-tack fouls - it could be against one player in 1st half, or early 2nd half that changes the complexion of a game. For example Stewie picks up 2 ticky-tacks early - you could have "hidden" her for a time to guard a wing. Now - with no Butler - and we know ND's offense sometime is "throw your body into opposing player, " ad that too -> look how badly UCONN was beaten off the glass the last game vs ND. So if our guards "don't win" on the perimeter and our bigs get hit with ticky-tack fouls early in which we don't get into a rhythm and also would get pounded on the glass because of this foul trouble, then we would have problems.

While Stokes was "a non-factor" in game 2 directly. Indirectly she gave us toughness and intimidation. Her defense even indirectly was an impact. And Game 2 she was a huge impact. Too bad Butler couldn't play- even if she does not the same as having several games under your belt. Butler would have given UCONN another way to win even if Stewie or Tuck got into foul trouble and didn't play well. And it would have been good imo to see UCONN run well while Butler was in the game so we could have put the "we're not a runniggn team when Butler is in the game team" belief put to rest.
 
calpedaler said:
I'll guess Mildred.
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The Duck flies down again! I always felt she should have been called Martha, but Mildred works too. Hot apple pie cooling on the kitchen window ledge and suddenly a tornado!
 
Let me understand the posters who talk about what Gabby can't do. Gabby didn't play a full season in her last two years of high school, was recovering from an ACL surgery, was asked to learn a new position (forward) on a two time NC team, has had an entire off season to work on her shortcomings, Tuck said she was the most improved player from last year, but they know she can't make free throws or a short jumper and will be a good role player. Boy I am glad she doesn't read the BY (I hope)!
 
PhillyCoach said:
Here's the way I see it. UConn has the best 4 starters in the nation--the 5th starter will be an experienced Gabby or a super frosh (better than ND frosh.) Who is ND's 5th starter? I say Gabby can equal whomever ND puts in as their 5th. In fact, isn't ND's 4th starter (I can't remember her name and I don't feel like looking it up) the outside shooter who is not that deadly, and also an average defender. IMHO (with or without Butler) everyone is chasing UConn at this point.
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I couldn't agree more. I think this injury will give Gabby, Collier, and KLS an opportunity to play with the A team a lot and really get in the flow!
 
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RockyMTblue2 said:
I'm glad it's at Gampel.
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THIS!

The refs always scare me in tough road games. If the game is close because it is against a good team and on the road, the game is then in the hands of the refs who, at best, stink and, at worst, are biased and/or man hating.
 
j66kicker said:
"This is the city - Los Angeles, California. Five million sun-baked people with half-baked ideas. Some of those ideas are illegal. That's where I come in. My name is Joe Friday. I carry a badge."
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And he deserves respect. It's not an easy job.
 
It would take many more injuries than Butler to in reality give nd a serious chance. The ONLY time that Muffet has been able to win against Geno is when she had superior experienced talent. nd defense has only been good at their best where UCONN defense is always at a much higher level. Compare the lineups. Who on nd could start for UCONN? Really only Turner. All their other players have only faded against UCONN. As far as all that nonsense about what a difference Achonwa would have made, bull. Just look at how she was dominated the previous year in the semi. What a joke that excuse is.
 
mhshuskies said:
It would take many more injuries than Butler to in reality give nd a serious chance. The ONLY time that Muffet has been able to win against Geno is when she had superior experienced talent. nd defense has only been good at their best where UCONN defense is always at a much higher level. Compare the lineups. Who on nd could start for UCONN? Really only Turner. All their other players have only faded against UCONN. As far as all that nonsense about what a difference Achonwa would have made, bull. Just look at how she was dominated the previous year in the semi. What a joke that excuse is.
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I'm not sure what "a serious chance" means. I can "see" ND winning, but not sure how "serious" I can see it happening in Gampel. Though don't underestimate poor refereeing.

Last year's 2nd game in finals they had a chance. As great as UCONN was, ND was darn close.

I could see a MO Jeff/Allen/ and Kia and the 1/2/3 positions. Kia is very physical. So to answer your questions - ND could have 2 starters.

I believe Achonowa could have made a difference -- but with that said:
1--- When we lost Sveta and Shea years ago that was a difference maker in my book.

2-- Achonowa may NOT have made a difference other than making the score closer.

3-- If anyone wants to deal in "IFs" for 2013-2014 - KML was NOT the same player hen she came back. She WAS vital and played well enough in which she may have "saved" UCONN but the injury definitely slowed her down. The last 4 games of the NCAA Tourney not once did she shoot above 33% from 3 and was a combined 7 for 23 from 3. That's not KML. So add that injury to Tuck - it can equate to Achonowa.
SO I agree with you here regarding Achonowa- I don't want to hear the whining from it. .
 
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