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Thankfully I also understand that reporting of facts and reporting of opinion are two different things. The latter is what occurred, hence not making it across...ahem...a newswire feed. But thanks for playing!

JaYnYcE said:
LOL ok Huggy Bear, like you're the only one with the word on the street.

You're unbelievable.


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Yonick said:
Can you blame them. Everybody in the world knows that the remaining BE football schools are bolting at the 1st opportunity.
Why would the service academies & Boise wish to get involved with a terminally ill conference.
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Wouldn't going independent at least be better for UCONN's basketball programs in that they wouldn't have to share any revenue with the rest of the league? Just wondering. Pretty sure that both the mens and womens programs are big money makers.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Tranghese never retired and neither did Dave Gavitt. Gavitt ruled the Big East til the day he died and Marinatto and Tranghese were his puppets after his public retirement. The Big East was doomed way back in 1986 when Gavitt told Penn State to take a hike after they applied for membership in The Big East. The skinny back then was Penn State sucked in basketball and Gavitt just didn't want them in his bball league, he also felt they devoted way too much of their athletic budget to Jopa and Football.
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Paterno claims that this is not the way it happened. He claims that he spoke to some Big East schools about forming an all sports conference, and they weren't interested because they were excited about Big East basketball. He says that Penn State had no interest in being in a basketball conference, and absolutely never applied.
 
huskyjawz said:
Paterno claims that this is not the way it happened. He claims that he spoke to some Big East schools about forming an all sports conference, and they weren't interested because they were excited about Big East basketball. He says that Penn State had no interest in being in a basketball conference, and absolutely never applied.
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You said Paterno. Heh, heh. heh, heh, heh.
 
huskyjawz said:
Paterno claims that this is not the way it happened. He claims that he spoke to some Big East schools about forming an all sports conference, and they weren't interested because they were excited about Big East basketball. He says that Penn State had no interest in being in a basketball conference, and absolutely never applied.
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If he said that then he's full of it, they formally applied and were rejected. He did try to form a northeast football league but that was after the rejection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_Conference
 
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huskyrob1 said:
Sorry counselor, if you don't think it's accurate then go in there and change it. ;)

How about Yahoo Sports? Accurate?

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10270855
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That is fan submitted. Paterno is on record (for whatever that is worth) as saying that the Big East did not turn down Penn St. Penn St. wanted an all sports league and the Big East was not ready to have one.

http://timeswv.com/wvu_sports/x185145425/Paterno-s-dream-conference-shot-down-by-Pitt

According to this story it's all Pitt's fault because they didn't want to form a football conference with Penn St. The other interesting thing here is that the Big East football conference sort of formed independently and then grafted itself onto the Big East basketball conference.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Sorry counselor, if you don't think it's accurate then go in there and change it. ;)

How about Yahoo Sports? Accurate?

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10270855
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I don't know if it is correct or incorrect. All I'm saying, which is true, is that Wikipedia posts are anonymous, non-expert submissions. You do not know who submits them, and you therefore have no way to judge their veracity. Relying on them for anything makes little sense.

Do you disagree with that? Or you just don't like something you post being criticized?
 
businesslawyer said:
I don't know if it is correct or incorrect. All I'm saying, which is true, is that Wikipedia posts are anonymous, non-expert submissions. You do not know who submits them, and you therefore have no way to judge their veracity. Relying on them for anything makes little sense.

Do you disagree with that? Or you just don't like something you post being criticized?
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I understand your criticism and agree with you but only to a point, on Wikpedia. All their articles are moderated and if something questionable is added to an article it is quickly removed, and if something new is added it always needs to be verified with REAL SOURCES, links, copyrighted material, etc that might possibly and grudgingly cause you to give it a passing grade? That being said, I would never RELY on Wikpedia as a source, but as a quick reference I have no problems with it. I mean if nitpicking is your thing, mine isn't, then I see your concerns.
 
huskyrob1 said:
I understand your criticism and agree with you but only to a point, on Wikpedia. All their articles are moderated and if something questionable is added to an article it is quickly removed, and if something new is added it always needs to be verified with REAL SOURCES, links, copyrighted material, etc that might possibly and grudgingly cause you to give it a passing grade. That being said, I would never RELY on Wikpedia as a source, but as a quick reference I have no problems with it. I mean if nitpicking is your thing, mine isn't, then I see your concerns.
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What about the personal accounts from people who were there and say that Penn St. never applied to join the BE basketball conference like in the link I posted and what Paterno actually said about a month ago when asked about it?
 
HartbeatHusky said:
What about the personal accounts from people who were there and say that Penn St. never applied to join the BE basketball conference like in the link I posted and what Paterno actually said about a month ago when asked about it?
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What people who were there? People like Jerry Sandusky? Jopa? I don't know, it depends on who you want to believe I guess. I would tend to believe Crouthamel and Tranghese, and it makes sense that Pitt torpedoed the whole thing much like Flipper torpedoed UCONN coming to the ACC to remain dominant in New England football markets. Read this....

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-09-1...20110919_1_penn-state-mike-tranghese-big-east
 
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huskyrob1 said:
What people who were there? People like Jerry Sandusky? Jopa? I don't know, it depends on who you want to believe I guess. I would tend to believe Crouthamel and Tranghese, and it makes sense that Pitt torpedoed the whole thing much like Flipper torpedoed UCONN coming to the ACC to remain dominant in New England football markets. Read this....

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-09-1...20110919_1_penn-state-mike-tranghese-big-east
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OK, I have seen this version of events before as well. It's hard to know who is telling the truth and it could be somewhere in the middle. The vote could have been to invite Penn St. and start a football league instead of just an up or down vote on inviting Penn St. for basketball for all we know. What is clear is that Penn St. wanted to form a football conference, which the Big East had little appetite for at the time.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
OK, I have seen this version of events before as well. It's hard to know who is telling the truth and it could be somewhere in the middle. The vote could have been to invite Penn St. and start a football league instead of just an up or down vote on inviting Penn St. for basketball for all we know. What is clear is that Penn St. wanted to form a football conference, which the Big East had little appetite for at the time.
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And as Tranghese was quoted as saying to Gavitt when the dust settled "we will rue the day over this decision".
 
SAMCRO said:
those three words just made me laugh out loud. this is who I saw when I read it.
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I went old school Huggy Bear, not Snoop Dog Huggy Bear.
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Well done


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Rumrunner said:
Thankfully I also understand that reporting of facts and reporting of opinion are two different things. The latter is what occurred, hence not making it across...ahem...a newswire feed. But thanks for playing!
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What's the word on the street huggy bear? Is 'it' about to go down?


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HartbeatHusky said:
And that is most definitely correct.
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not necessarily. That's making a lot of assumptions. Even if they were accepted for basketball, it's not guaranteed that the football deal would have been struck; and even if it it was, what's to say that they wouldn't have joined the first or second wave of defection or left at any other time. If the conference is so undesirable, why wouldn't Penn St leave for greener pastures?
 
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JaYnYcE said:
What's the word on the street huggy bear? Is 'it' about to go down?

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I met Huggy on the street on the Upper East Side in the early 90s. He had a long fur coat on.
 
Assuming Crouthamel version of the story is correct, can anyone answer which three BE schools voted "No" to admitting Penn State? Thanks.
 
It makes no sense for Navy to join the Big East. It never did.

It makes no sense for the PAC 12 to allow Boise to join. It never will.

Yeah if I'm Stanford, and field a team of students, I'm going to let Boise field a team of welding majors against me.
 
If all these Western schools join, do we change the name of the conference or just stick with something horribly inaccurate? Because in a few years, the "Big East" could be Boise State, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Louisville, some other C-USA and MWC teams, and remnants of the collapsed Big 12 or something like that. Which would not be East, and frankly, probably wouldn't be "Big" either. And eventually, we expand into the "Big Far East" and take this game global....
 
huskyjawz said:
not necessarily. That's making a lot of assumptions. Even if they were accepted for basketball, it's not guaranteed that the football deal would have been struck; and even if it it was, what's to say that they wouldn't have joined the first or second wave of defection or left at any other time. If the conference is so undesirable, why wouldn't Penn St leave for greener pastures?
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There may have not been a bunch of defections in 2003. How does this Eastern Confrence look to you assuming JoePa had his (Eastern Dream) way?

Penn State
Miami
WVU
Syracuse
BC
Va Tech
Rutgers
Pitt
Temple
Maryland - probably have jumped (at the time) to be with PSU, WVU and Pitt

Why would anyone leave that confrence? Maybe Miami to SEC. Heck the BE might be poaching UVA. One thing - if this happened UConn may never had an invite to join BE Football. No Need or desire from FB members.
 
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That is a great conference, but not what Penn st was applying for and rejected from, in 82, which was bball only Big East. For the above to happen, they would have to split and take bc/syr/pitt and kill basketball conference, or get basketballs to take on all of those new members, which we know back in the 80's they probably wouldn't have done. So not sure how rejecting psu was bad for gavitt/tranghese and basketball only schools, including Uconn.[/quote]
 
FDNY99 said:
Wouldn't surprise me one single bit that this was the case. The Big East is run by the most INCOMPETENT commissioner in the history of D1 athletics! The day Mike Tranghese retired was the day the Big East was doomed!
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Don't know if he is incompetent or not. He deals from a very weak and shakey position and no commisioner has the problems he has and i doubt Tranghese could do any better with the situation. The BE has Uconn and Rutgers chomping at the bit for an ACC bid, Louisville courting the Big 12 and Notre Dame using the conference as a landing place for non football sports.They already lost Cuse and Pitt. Why would Boise State or the academies want to join the BE if they could go somewhere else that had a BCS bid?
 
FDNY99 said:
Wouldn't surprise me one single bit that this was the case. The Big East is run by the most INCOMPETENT commissioner in the history of D1 athletics! The day Mike Tranghese retired was the day the Big East was doomed!
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Stop blaming the commish... he has NO AUTHORITY. This conference should have split 10 years ago.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Stop blaming the commish... he has NO AUTHORITY. This conference should have split 10 years ago.
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Well it didn't and he "is in charge of day to day operations of the conference"...if not Marinatto then who do we blame the member schools including UConn?
 
If you are not willing to blame Marinnato (saying its the Presidents etc) then you shouldn't credit Larry Scott for his proactive and lucrative maneuvers for the Pac12. He brought the innovative analysis and gameplan to the PAC 12 Presidents who had their eyes opened wide by a smart and savvy guy. Does that sound like what happened in Providence?
 
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