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1 or 2 Seed Better?

UConnSportsGuy said:
Is Scheyer still coaching Duke? Then I'll take Duke as a potential Elite 8 matchup any day of the week (and twice on Sunday) just on its own.

But when weighed against having to play a potential team in the Elite 8 in their home state...it is not even a debate.

Want to hear an incredible factoid that I don't think people realize :

In the past 20 years, UConn has only lost two games after the first weekend of the tournament--and they were both us having to play a team in their home state/location.

In the last 35 years, UConn has only lost 8 games after the first weekend. Of those 8 total losses for UConn...6 of them were us having to play against a team in their home state/location.

So UConn essentially either blows it in the first weekend, gets stuck having to play an away game in the NCAA tournament, or wins the Championship. That is crazy to me.

Here are all of our NCAA losses in the past 35 years after the first weekend:

2009 vs Michigan State in Detroit, MI
2006 vs George Mason in Washington, DC
2003 vs Texas in San Antonio, TX
2002 vs Maryland in Syracuse, NY
1998 vs North Carolina in Greensboro, NC
1996 vs Mississippi State in Lexington, KY
1995 vs UCLA in Oakland, CA
1994 vs Florida in Miami, FL
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didn’t maryland beat us in dc
 
after watching houston get blown out by kansas i fear them less even in houston . despite saturday’s result michigan is the best team in country . any of projected top 3 seeds except purdue but including the johnies can make a wide open final four …. and the way the sec has more top talented teams in football the big 12 has in basketball
 
bendm said:
They have 6 Ls and just lost to ucla. If ISU loses to Zona We’re back to controlling our own destiny for a 1 seeds
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100%

Illinois has 3 OT losses and impressive wins and metrics. They’re not out of the convo yet if they win out.
 
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The top 3 teams are head and shoulders above the rest. As long as we're #4 or #5 overall, we'll avoid them until the Final Four. The name of the game at this point is finishing above ISU or Houston.

At this point the Committee shouldn't put Houston in the South as a #1 or, worse, a #2 -- that's too much of an advantage for a team that hasn't earned it. Doesn't mean they won't do it, just they shouldn't.

If we and ISU are #1/2 in the South in some order, that's fine.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
The top 3 teams are head and shoulders above the rest. As long as we're #4 or #5 overall, we'll avoid them until the Final Four. The name of the game at this point is finishing above ISU or Houston.

At this point the Committee shouldn't put Houston in the South as a #1 or, worse, a #2 -- that's too much of an advantage for a team that hasn't earned it. Doesn't mean they won't do it, just they shouldn't.

If we and ISU are #1/2 in the South in some order, that's fine.
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Tomorrow night is so big. If we can win, and then take care of Seton Hall at home on Senior Day, and then after a week off win at Marquette, we go into the BET with 3 losses.

Houston has 5 losses. Their schedule entering the Big 12 tournament is favorable, but they lack great wins on their resume. They probably need to win the Big 12 tournament to get a 1 seed.

Iowa St has 4 losses, but still has a wounded Texas Tech at home and then a road trip to Arizona. Hopefully they also go into the Big 12 tournament with at least 5 losses.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
The top 3 teams are head and shoulders above the rest. As long as we're #4 or #5 overall, we'll avoid them until the Final Four. The name of the game at this point is finishing above ISU or Houston.

At this point the Committee shouldn't put Houston in the South as a #1 or, worse, a #2 -- that's too much of an advantage for a team that hasn't earned it. Doesn't mean they won't do it, just they shouldn't.

If we and ISU are #1/2 in the South in some order, that's fine.
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I understand why you say that the "top 3 teams are head and shoulders above the rest". But we did play Arizona close without two starters. That did happen. I am not sure that we are that far behind those teams because turnovers and free throws are correctable issues. And as Coach Hurley intimated after the Nova game: we are a tougher matchup for non-Big East teams. Guaranteed none of those "Top 3 teams" want any part of us in March.
 
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UConnSportsGuy said:
Is Scheyer still coaching Duke? Then I'll take Duke as a potential Elite 8 matchup any day of the week (and twice on Sunday) just on its own.

But when weighed against having to play a potential team in the Elite 8 in their home state...it is not even a debate.

Want to hear an incredible factoid that I don't think people realize :

In the past 20 years, UConn has only lost two games after the first weekend of the tournament--and they were both us having to play a team in their home state/location.

In the last 35 years, UConn has only lost 8 games after the first weekend. Of those 8 total losses for UConn...6 of them were us having to play against a team in their home state/location.

So UConn essentially either blows it in the first weekend, gets stuck having to play an away game in the NCAA tournament, or wins the Championship. That is crazy to me.

Here are all of our NCAA losses in the past 35 years after the first weekend:

2009 vs Michigan State in Detroit, MI
2006 vs George Mason in Washington, DC
2003 vs Texas in San Antonio, TX
2002 vs Maryland in Syracuse, NY
1998 vs North Carolina in Greensboro, NC
1996 vs Mississippi State in Lexington, KY
1995 vs UCLA in Oakland, CA
1994 vs Florida in Miami, FL
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The 2 losses that bother me the most were to Miss State and Florida. Sorry for hijacking.
 
I would want no part of Houston in Houston given our tournament history playing teams in their home state let alone in their home city. Even with that loss last night they are still formidable. With that said we would be best served with avoiding the big 3 as long as possible that would entail being the 4 or 5 overall seed. The 1 is still preferable as the potential sweet 16 match-up is much more favorable from the 1 seed slot.
 
FearThePups said:
The 2 losses that bother me the most were to Miss State and Florida. Sorry for hijacking.
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Last year's loss? Anyone acting like that team last year had any chance to make a run is way overindexing on the Hurley is built for March thing. Like way. I know this will incite some to come after me, but that team was not built to do anything deep. It had no PG, could not defend worth anything. It barely beat Oklahoma the game before, lost to 8 seed Creighton the week prior and would have had to go through a series of much better teams to make a run. I know it would have felt great to get that one win as a consolation prize to an otherwise disappointing 3peat run, but no way that team was going far.

Miss St I get.
 
RuffRuff said:
Last year's loss? Anyone acting like that team last year had any chance to make a run is way overindexing on the Hurley is built for March thing. Like way. I know this will incite some to come after me, but that team was not built to do anything deep. It had no PG, could not defend worth anything. It barely beat Oklahoma the game before, lost to 8 seed Creighton the week prior and would have had to go through a series of much better teams to make a run. I know it would have felt great to get that one win as a consolation prize to an otherwise disappointing 3peat run, but no way that team was going far.

Miss St I get.
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Think he was talking about the Donyell tournament game against Florida in 94 in Miami.
 
Evan going pretty chalk with his F4 - go out on a limb dude. UM, Duke, AZ and Illinois. He thinks Illinois' ceiling is as good as anyone, they have a lottery pick in the backcourt, and can impose their will. Other guy picked UM, Duke, Louisville?? and Houston. Zero cred.

 
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RuffRuff said:
Last year's loss? Anyone acting like that team last year had any chance to make a run is way overindexing on the Hurley is built for March thing. Like way. I know this will incite some to come after me, but that team was not built to do anything deep. It had no PG, could not defend worth anything. It barely beat Oklahoma the game before, lost to 8 seed Creighton the week prior and would have had to go through a series of much better teams to make a run. I know it would have felt great to get that one win as a consolation prize to an otherwise disappointing 3peat run, but no way that team was going far.

Miss St I get.
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Yep. Was talking about Donnell missing 2 free throws late in the game. Still haunts me as we were so close to moving forward in that tourney. Remember, this was before our first natty and I was still reeling from Laettner’s late buzzer beater in the elite 8 in 1990 at Brendan Byrne. We would have made our first final 4.
 
FearThePups said:
Yep. Was talking about Donnell missing 2 free throws late in the game. Still haunts me as we were so close to moving forward in that tourney. Remember, this was before our first natty and I was still reeling from Laettner’s late buzzer beater in the elite 8 in 1990 at Brendan Byrne. We would have made our first final 4.
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He was so eager to discuss UConn/Florida from last year. One of his favorite topics.
 
UConn and Florida have such an interesting history for teams that have only met 8 times. UConn leads the series 6-2, but Florida has the edge in the tourney with a 2-1 record. The team that has won the game in the tourny the last 2 times has gone on to win the Natty.
 
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FearThePups said:
I get your point, not many probably remember that game. Regarding the loss to Florida last year, they were beatable and we led in the 2nd half but really not upset at the outcome.
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It was a big one. Likely the single toughest loss in UConn history. What did Donyell shoot from the line?
 
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