Why not the SEC?

[nelsonmuntz]

I know #BegHarder has been focused exclusively on the ACC to date, but we may need to revisit the playbook. If Herbst has these great SEC contacts, and is in #BegHarder mode, make a pitch to the SEC for Rutgers and UConn as teams 15 and 16. Why?

1) The ACC and Big 10 think they already have the tri-state area/New England. They really don't want to pay for it again by adding UConn and Rutgers.

2) The SEC is watching the Big 10 and ACC carve up the Big East market and not even have to pay for it.

3) The SEC has plenty of great programs. If quality was the driving factor, they would have taken WVU over Texas A&M or Missouri.

4) The one quality hole they have is basketball, where only Kentucky and to a lesser extent Florida have any national profile.

5) the SEC said they won't take a team from a state where another SEC team is, so this rules out FSU, Clemson, GTech and Louisville and USF for that matter. The have already passed on WVU about 5 times. The list of available teams to get to 16 is the North Carolina and Virginia schools.

6) VTech and NC State are going to be tough teams to pry away from the ACC, and they don't even really deliver those markets. UVa is terrible at everything and isn't really trying. UNC is not leaving a conference with GTech, Duke, Wake Forest, VTech, Virginia, Maryland, BCU, Pitt and Syracuse to join the SEC as long as the ACC is a viable conference.

7) The SEC has said they want new markets, so Texas than Missouri. Now what? Oklahoma? There really isn't anywhere West left to look. North Carolina and Virginia are attractive, but they are going to be tough to pry a team out of, and they are going to be competitive markets even if the SEC grabs NC State and VTech or whoever. And then there is the Big Apple. The largest market in the country, for a conference that considers itself a national brand.

If the SEC does nothing, they cede the market to the ACC and Big 10 for free, which increases the value of every program in those two leagues relative to the SEC. At the very least, the SEC would want to smoke out the interest of either league and force their hand to at least make them pay for it. UConn/Rutgers would deliver that market, particularly if they were playing LSU/Georgia/Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/Auburn. UConn/Rutgers has markets, which the SEC is lacking.

 

[MattMang23]

It's time to #BegHarder to get into the SEC!

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I obviously know you don't think this would ever happen, but it is interesting how the most powerful conference in America doesn't have a Northeast presence.

DISCLAIMER: I know this would never happen, but just for conversation sake:

Rutgers fans love to recall their 2006 Louisville game because of the huge ratings it received, it does make you wonder what they (and UConn) would get in NYC on a consistent basis vs Alabama, Florida, LSU, etc.

NYC Metro Area is the most populated and richest area of the United States, it seems as if someone would take a shot on a UConn/Rutgers combo.

 

[coachcap]

Snooki would never go for it. Once she sees those SEC sorority babes, she'll throw a hissy fit. She knows that she can't compete.

 

[sportsart]

Someone is bored.

 

[CTMike]

I honestly have no idea if you are being serious anymore.

 

[Dann]

kensucky would block us for bball reasons

 

[whaler11]

The Pac 12 had a media day in NYC. Maybe they have heard of SNY!

 

[uconnbaseball]

I have posted this before and was laughed at by the entire board. Since geography clearly doesn't matter anymore, why the hell not???

 

[rw005]

What's next...

UConn to the MAC?

 

[MattMang23]

What's next...

UConn to the MAC?

Nelson has already proposed that...

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I obviously know you don't think this would ever happen, but it is interesting how the most powerful conference in America doesn't have a Northeast presence.

DISCLAIMER: I know this would never happen, but just for conversation sake:

Rutgers fans love to recall their 2006 Louisville game because of the huge ratings it received, it does make you wonder what they (and UConn) would get in NYC on a consistent basis vs Alabama, Florida, LSU, etc.

NYC Metro Area is the most populated and richest area of the United States, it seems as if someone would take a shot on a UConn/Rutgers combo.

This is a very logical sale to make in when there is a broad market consolidation. Both the ACC and Big 10 are reluctant to pay for markets they think they already have. This has always been my argument around saving the Big East. If there is no Big East there is no reason for the ACC or Big 10 to pay for UConn and Rutgers. They are probably both trying to figure out the probability of the other adding UConn and Rutgers, and it is possible that they have even discussed informally whether either side is interested, just to make sure the other side isn't and to signal they won't move if the other side doesn't move.

Bi polar markets are pretty stable, and the status quo can last indefinitely (think Cold War). But if you introduce a third party into the market, it becomes much more volatile, and collusion often goes out the window. If we want an offer from the ACC, we just need a whisper from the SEC that they are thinking about expanding into New York, because the week that UConn and Rutgers join the SEC is the week John Swofford tenders his resignation as ACC Commissioner. And Swofford knows it.

 

[MattMang23]

Why don't the Big East 6 just merge with the Big XII 9 and form the 69 conference so we can all finish happy?

 

[whaler11]

Bi polar markets are pretty stable,

Bi-polar posters are not.

 

[ctchamps]

This is a very logical sale to make in when there is a broad market consolidation. Both the ACC and Big 10 are reluctant to pay for markets they think they already have. This has always been my argument around saving the Big East. If there is no Big East there is no reason for the ACC or Big 10 to pay for UConn and Rutgers. They are probably both trying to figure out the probability of the other adding UConn and Rutgers, and it is possible that they have even discussed informally whether either side is interested, just to make sure the other side isn't and to signal they won't move if the other side doesn't move.

Bi polar markets are pretty stable, and the status quo can last indefinitely (think Cold War). But if you introduce a third party into the market, it becomes much more volatile, and collusion often goes out the window. If we want an offer from the ACC, we just need a whisper from the SEC that they are thinking about expanding into New York, because the week that UConn and Rutgers join the SEC is the week John Swofford tenders his resignation as ACC Commissioner. And Swofford knows it.

I don't know how anything can be stable if it is bipolar.

 

[junglehusky]

Basketball only!

 

[businesslawyer]

This is a very logical sale to make in when there is a broad market consolidation. Both the ACC and Big 10 are reluctant to pay for markets they think they already have. This has always been my argument around saving the Big East. If there is no Big East there is no reason for the ACC or Big 10 to pay for UConn and Rutgers. They are probably both trying to figure out the probability of the other adding UConn and Rutgers, and it is possible that they have even discussed informally whether either side is interested, just to make sure the other side isn't and to signal they won't move if the other side doesn't move.

Bi polar markets are pretty stable, and the status quo can last indefinitely (think Cold War). But if you introduce a third party into the market, it becomes much more volatile, and collusion often goes out the window. If we want an offer from the ACC, we just need a whisper from the SEC that they are thinking about expanding into New York, because the week that UConn and Rutgers join the SEC is the week John Swofford tenders his resignation as ACC Commissioner. And Swofford knows it.

That Swofford tenders a resignation? That would be the week that the SEC Comm tenders his resignation

 

[nelsonmuntz]

That Swofford tenders a resignation? That would be the week that the SEC Comm tenders his resignation

So that's your level of analysis of my two posts? You are going to pull out a throw away line and focus on that? Really? I could have written 80% of the responses to this thread before the posters wrote them, but unlike most of them, I have always assumed you had a triple digit IQ.

p.s. Cap was the only remotely clever response so far.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I have posted this before and was laughed at by the entire board. Since geography clearly doesn't matter anymore, why the hell not???

Exactly

 

[Adios]

From what I have read, if Mizzou joins the SEC with the Aggies going too, the SEC schools' payout from TV is going to increase by about $12 million per school. And that's on top of the approximately $20 million they are already getting. The SEC doesn't want the NYC market (Rutgers and UConn)? Can help them in basketball recruiting, too. We'd almost own the northeast along with Penn State for football recruiting.

 

[metsfan2323]

Great post Nelson.

Many will read this and think we aren't good enough for the SEC without first stopping to think what this could do for recruiting. Recruiting would improve instantly and in two years we'll be ready to hit the ground running.

Yankee Stadium games would be huge with Bama, LSU, Florida and Tennessee.

Edsall would call UCONN his dream job.

South Carolina fans can vouch for our ability to play football.

 

[UCHuskies08]

I, too, enjoy smoking crack-cocaine

 

[RS9999X]

There was a good article on the Missouri / WVU boards.

Beg Harder for the SEC and B12: The Power Point slides:

1. Stadium: UConn would have the smallest stadium in the B12. Vandy is the only smaller stadium in the SEC.

2. Finances: In the financial ranking of college football programs, the B12's TCU and Baylor, the SEC's Vandy, and UConn are considered worthless.

http://www.ibj.com/the-score/2011/1...ting-reveals-winners-losers/PARAMS/post/30084

3. Fan Base: In the Nate Silver NYT fanbase data, UConn ranks ahead of Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State in the B12 and the SECs Vandy and Mississippi State.

 

[UConn4ever]

I think its time to pass the bong

 

[JaYnYcE]

I know #BegHarder has been focused exclusively on the ACC to date, but we may need to revisit the playbook. If Herbst has these great SEC contacts, and is in #BegHarder mode, make a pitch to the SEC for Rutgers and UConn as teams 15 and 16. Why?

1) The ACC and Big 10 think they already have the tri-state area/New England. They really don't want to pay for it again by adding UConn and Rutgers.

2) The SEC is watching the Big 10 and ACC carve up the Big East market and not even have to pay for it.

3) The SEC has plenty of great programs. If quality was the driving factor, they would have taken WVU over Texas A&M or Missouri.

4) The one quality hole they have is basketball, where only Kentucky and to a lesser extent Florida have any national profile.

5) the SEC said they won't take a team from a state where another SEC team is, so this rules out FSU, Clemson, GTech and Louisville and USF for that matter. The have already passed on WVU about 5 times. The list of available teams to get to 16 is the North Carolina and Virginia schools.

6) VTech and NC State are going to be tough teams to pry away from the ACC, and they don't even really deliver those markets. UVa is terrible at everything and isn't really trying. UNC is not leaving a conference with GTech, Duke, Wake Forest, VTech, Virginia, Maryland, BCU, Pitt and Syracuse to join the SEC as long as the ACC is a viable conference.

7) The SEC has said they want new markets, so Texas than Missouri. Now what? Oklahoma? There really isn't anywhere West left to look. North Carolina and Virginia are attractive, but they are going to be tough to pry a team out of, and they are going to be competitive markets even if the SEC grabs NC State and VTech or whoever. And then there is the Big Apple. The largest market in the country, for a conference that considers itself a national brand.

If the SEC does nothing, they cede the market to the ACC and Big 10 for free, which increases the value of every program in those two leagues relative to the SEC. At the very least, the SEC would want to smoke out the interest of either league and force their hand to at least make them pay for it. UConn/Rutgers would deliver that market, particularly if they were playing LSU/Georgia/Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/Auburn. UConn/Rutgers has markets, which the SEC is lacking.

You know we're not laughing with you right?


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