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I just think it's hilarious that anybody can look at a guy with a 0-to-10 TD-to-INT ratio and think, "That is definitely the guy."
I'm not sure anyone is saying he's definitely the guy but is the alternative any better or giving us wins? I think what most are saying is that if Boyle is going to get a shot next season, what does it hurt to let him start a few games this season and see what happens. Worst thing that happens is we lose which at this point we've seemed to have mastered.I just think it's hilarious that anybody can look at a guy with a 0-to-10 TD-to-INT ratio and think, "That is definitely the guy."
I'm not sure anyone is saying he's definitely the guy but is the alternative any better or giving us wins? I think what most are saying is that if Boyle is going to get a shot next season, what does it hurt to let him start a few games this season and see what happens. Worst thing that happens is we lose which at this point we've seemed to have mastered.
If an outsider cane in and spent a decent amount of time observing our fan base he would walk away scratching his head.
We had a transfer QB who led us to a bowl win, in the heart of SEC territory against South Carolina and then took us to the Fiesta bowl but most here (and in the stands) couldn't wait for him to run out of eligibility. Now at least one poster on this board is holding him up as a successful transfer.
We had a coach who took us from (literally) nothing to five bowl games in seven seasons, two partial championships of a BCS conference and a BCS bowl game yet there were more posters here knocking him than supporting him along the way (while deriding those who supported him as apologistas). Recently a poster here commented on our current head coach, comparing him to the head coach who did lead us to every bowl game we've participated in, believing that the comparison was an insult to the current head coach.
When speaking of the success that we did have, many of our fans (and posters here) spend their time emphasizing the shortcomings (the loss at West Virginia in 2007, losing to Temple in 2010) rather than appreciate the accomplishments.
In many ways we are our own worst enemies.
I'm not sure anyone is saying he's definitely the guy but is the alternative any better or giving us wins? I think what most are saying is that if Boyle is going to get a shot next season, what does it hurt to let him start a few games this season and see what happens. Worst thing that happens is we lose which at this point we've seemed to have mastered.
better than being accused as being his Mom...I wanted Zach Frazer to start, and play over Endres. Frazer couldn't throw a spiral to save his life, but he could get the ball in the general vicinity - unlike Lorenzen who couldn't hit the side of a barn. Endres threw like a pro, but I didn't want him playing. I was accused by posters of being Frazer's dad.
I just think it's hilarious that anybody can look at a guy with a 0-to-10 TD-to-INT ratio and think, "That is definitely the guy."
we have NO IDEA what goes on at practice and behind closed doors .
It's hilarious that you can use a made up win-loss record and also make up a quote that Irish Loop didn't say.It's hilarious that you can look at a guy with an o-10 won/loss record and think, "His back up doesn't deserve a chance."
Honestly, I don't think he'll be here next year. However, that could change if he performs well in games when given the chance. I really don't know. I agree with you that we don't know what is going on in practice. What I do know is that our current QB is not getting it done.You really think he is going to be here next year, dont you?
It could hurt team morale, his own confidence and/or the confidence of others...theres a lot it can hurt. Its NOT just about TB - this is a team. Plus we have NO IDEA what goes on at practice and behind closed doors - for all we know the leg pain sit game was discipline...His coach said he lacked intensity and such - but who cares about the other 10 guys - let him play...
Honestly, I don't think he'll be here next year. However, that could change if he performs well in games when given the chance. I really don't know. I agree with you that we don't know what is going on in practice. What I do know is that our current QB is not getting it done.
I just think it's crazy that people are now at the point where they're ready to write Boyle off as gone and transferring and that is ok when we have ZERO clue what our QB situation will be next year. You have a NC State transfer and an incoming frosh who runs well more than he throws. So we'll either be starting a transfer QB or a true freshmen. That thought doesn't make me feel like we're in for a better season next year.
So what does it hurt to start him, whether or not he's staying. The whole thing just boggles my mind and there is no answer.
We can all argue this over and over and no one here will know the result. However, we'll never know what he could have done either if he's not given the chance this season to show what he can do. Regardless, it's up to Diaco and that's the bottom line....
One thing that was glaring last season (and I believe that this played a large role in Diaco's multiple comments on how more than one QB would play) was that once a QB lost his starting job he was banished to oblivion. I don't know what the correct answer is here but I do know that someone with an actual football background should be able to make a better decision on this than any one of us. Add to the equation the fact that he also has significantly more knowledge of the situation than any of us has, believing that our opinion is the better decision is comical.
Except for that Frazer guy...who ended up leading us to a BCS game...but other than that...
It's hilarious that you can look at a guy with an o-10 won/loss record and think, "His back up doesn't deserve a chance."
It matters because if Boyle doesn't start and grab the reigns to the program by the end of the year, he's likely going to transfer at the end of this season. Especially if Diaco throws him into a QB competition with Davis and Shirreffs.I actually didn't say that. I did say I would start Boyle. But quite frankly, I don't think it matters that much. Between the turnovers at running back (by all) and the truly atrocious O-line, I do not think it's going to make a significant difference, and I suspect whatever development Boyle gets this season may well be counteracted by the possibility of psychological damage from taking a ton of hits behind that O-line.
I'm also a little unsure where you got that record.
Most important post of this thread (and many others).
And that matters why? I don't get the whole "Boyle is special" stuff at all. I think you can make a case for starting him, but as I've posted before it is essentially based on a need to change the psychology of the team, and occasionally a new qb does that, and a desire to find out if he is the real deal or a career back up . That will be important in terms of who we look at bringing in next year. If Boyle isn't the real deal, we will likely need to find a JUCO to come in and compete for the job next season.It matters because if Boyle doesn't start and grab the reigns to the program by the end of the year, he's likely going to transfer at the end of this season. Especially if Diaco throws him into a QB competition with Davis and Shirreffs.
And that matters why? I don't get the whole "Boyle is special" stuff at all. I think you can make a case for starting him, but as I've posted before it is essentially based on a need to change the psychology of the team, and occasionally a new qb does that, and a desire to find out if he is the real deal or a career back up . That will be important in terms of who we look at bringing in next year. If Boyle isn't the real deal, we will likely need to find a JUCO to come in and compete for the job next season.
Boyle has gotten a raw deal here. He was rushed into action as true freshman on a bad team with a terrible oline play and we are surprised he struggled with interceptions? Then he was supposed to be redshirted this year, and then when the starter gets hut hurt that plan is scrapped so he can get a meaningless series here and there?And that matters why? I don't get the whole "Boyle is special" stuff at all. I think you can make a case for starting him, but as I've posted before it is essentially based on a need to change the psychology of the team, and occasionally a new qb does that, and a desire to find out if he is the real deal or a career back up . That will be important in terms of who we look at bringing in next year. If Boyle isn't the real deal, we will likely need to find a JUCO to come in and compete for the job next season.