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If you can miss, you should. Clock starts when the ball hits the rim.
No. Clock starts when a player touches the ball (or the ball touches the floor).
If you can miss, you should. Clock starts when the ball hits the rim.
Jalen might have to say something about hat....I would miss it. Impossible to set up any kind of play if they miss, basically a heave with about a .001 % chance of success
You absolutely miss that 2nd FT and force them to rebound, pass and get a shot up. They would have shot a 3 either way. Few of their players are past 1/2 court whereas they can on an inbounds play. But you don't want a violation, so that is the risk.
Not sure if that's on CV or KO or both.
With only 2 seconds left, the only shot that likely can be taken is a 3-pointer,
It's NOT absolutely. It's a choice and they made the right one. Did you see Amida foul stupidly on a FT or not? This is the risk on a missed FT attempt on purpose something dumb happening. I mean they can't make a FT anyway so do you actually think anyone can miss it so it's just a regular rebound to the guy with an advantage? Better chance a long carom with 2 guys going up for it and our guy doesn't get ball and bodies the Orange guy to the floor and then we're screwed.
It was the right call.
Other than two of the most famous buzzer beaters in history . . .
both on inbounds plays genius
That's the whole point. You take out the worst case scenario (failing to hit the rim and losing on the inbounds play).
You miss if you are playing against a team that has a guy with a 95 hr fastball tossing it to a 1st round draft choice.
you absolutely miss it... I can't understand any of the logic on this thread whatsoever... this isn't even a debate
1) what if he airballs it? well - they inbound it like they were able to anyway due to the make - and this more than likely results in an opportunity to shoot a 3 and not a 2 - if you're able to get a shot off at all - in which case they beat us by 2 instead of 1... so in other words not a big change in the odds of winning the game... and this conveniently ignores the likelihood of airballing the foul shot even if you're trying to miss is practically zero... I've seen guys miss the rim in those situations (same violation as an airball) while trying to miss intentionally but it's almost always a case of bouncing it too hard off the backboard in a situation where you're looking for an offensive board to tie it up
2) what if we foul in the open court / what if we foul in general... trying to be polite here but how on earth would this even conceivably happen - consider there were 2.2 seconds left and we took everyone out from under the hoop - rightfully so - Cuse would then have corralled the rebound (with no one even there to contest them for the board or possibly commit a foul) and been forced to immediately heave up a full court shot after one or 2 dribbles - they had 4 guys under the hoop - no time to advance the ball up court and would have just been forced to throw up a full court heave... in fact if you're concerned with fouling the odds of us committing a foul skyrocketed with the second made FT since there actually became a chance we'd foul a set OOB play vs a next to zero % chance of fouling under the rim given we had no one there and would have had 5 guys at midcourt staring at them taking a full court heave...
you absolutely tell Vital to miss long taking a regular stroke from the line (not firing off the backboard like in an offensive rebounding scenario) and then tell him to get as far away from the rebound as possible (you don't want him contesting the rebound or subsequent shot at all obviously)... you call a timeout (believe we had one or 2 left) just to drill this in his head after which the "execution risk" should be next to zero... now look if it goes in anyway it goes in but you do not tell him to make it... the odds of Cuse winning on a miss are probably around 1%... the odds of Cuse winning after a make there have got to be north of 5%, maybe closer to 10%... it's unbelievable to me that you would not do something in that spot (with the timeout - unless I'm wrong on this) to improve expected outcomes by that degree... anyone arguing this needs a refresher in probability theory with all due respect or just hasn't thought this one through enough given the specific details of the situation...
That's the whole point. You take out the worst case scenario (failing to hit the rim and losing on the inbounds play).
You miss if you are playing against a team that has a guy with a 95 hr fastball tossing it to a 1st round draft choice.