RPI Ratings for Conferences through 11/28

[nelsonmuntz]

The idea that RPI is a big deal? Since there has been a 68 team tournament there isn't a single team that has been worth a damn that has been left out of the tournament.

At this point by the time March rolls around the bubble contains a half dozen mediocre teams who generally have bad resumes.

There are a dozen writers who pick 66-67 of the teams going into selection sunday and the final few teams may as well be randomly selected like lottery numbers based on who they selected the past few years.

What kind of seeding will UConn get with an SOS around 80 or 100?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

nelson, why do you bother following UConn? You clearly get no enjoyment out of it. I knew before I even opened this thread that the sky would be falling.

Why does someone like you that wants UConn to fail follow UConn? Because if you think the AAC is the best conference solution available, then you are rooting for UConn to fail.

 

[CAHUSKY]

What kind of seeding will UConn get with an SOS around 80 or 100?

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You think with the type of OCC schedules we will be playing that we will have an RPI between 80-100? For a guy who worries so much about RPI you seem to have very little understanding of how it works.

 

[tzznandrew]

Actually, the conference RPI ratings are basically locked in by 12/30 or so, when conference schedules start. After that date, conference RPI's become a "zero sum game", with every win being another team's loss.

Not true. Conference RPI is the average RPI of the members of your conference. If you play in a better conference, your individual RPI goes up, ergo, your conference RPI moves up too. Schools like Youngstown State, that are currently in the Top 10 of the RPI, will start playing in their mediocre to bad conference, and because of their Opponents Winning %, they will start to fall, thereby bringing the average of the Conference RPI down.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

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You think with the type of OCC schedules we will be playing that we will have an RPI between 80-100? For a guy who worries so much about RPI you seem to have very little understanding of how it works.

If you think playing a conference schedule with Tulane, Tulsa, ECU, UCF, USF, Houston and SMU won't kill our RPI, you have very little understanding of how it works.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Not true. Conference RPI is the average RPI of the members of your conference. If you play in a better conference, your individual RPI goes up, ergo, your conference RPI moves up too. Schools like Youngstown State, that are currently in the Top 10 of the RPI, will start playing in their mediocre to bad conference, and because of their Opponents Winning %, they will start to fall, thereby bringing the average of the Conference RPI down.

Most of it is zero sum game. It is possible that enough of a majority of teams that a conference played will outperform within their own conference schedules, but that is unlikely. The AAC will have played roughly 150 non-conference games by 12/30. With a population that large, reversion to the mean is highly likely.

 

[CAHUSKY]

If you think playing a conference schedule with Tulane, Tulsa, ECU, UCF, USF, Houston and SMU won't kill our RPI, you have very little understanding of how it works.

You didn't answer my question. Do you really believe we will be between 80-100? Any year we did our record would have to be so bad we wouldn't be on the bubble.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You didn't answer my question. Do you really believe we will be between 80-100? Any year we did our record would have to be so bad we wouldn't be on the bubble.

Can UConn have a SOS of 80 to 100? Absolutely with this conference. Memphis and Gonzaga would load up on non-conference powerhouses, and they would still be in the 60's most years. UConn could get a SOS of as high as 60 with a very strong non-conference schedule.

 

[baggerbob]

Oh really? Does the NCAA now use another measure to pick tournament teams?

As the Big East starts playing within their own league their RPI will drop dramatically, very possible no-one in that league will be in top 25 by Mid-January.

 

[gars44]

If we don't make the tournament with this team we have bigger issues than conference. I'm impressed that the AAC is ahead of the SEC, good thing we didn't join that conference.

According RPI we are very close to the ACC. I say Bravo American! Thanks for the good news you idiot.

LOL!

 

[whaler11]

What kind of seeding will UConn get with an SOS around 80 or 100?

Well obviously that depends if they are 27-4 or 22-9 doesn't it?

 

[CAHUSKY]

Can UConn have a SOS of 80 to 100? Absolutely with this conference. Memphis and Gonzaga would load up on non-conference powerhouses, and they would still be in the 60's most years. UConn could get a SOS of as high as 60 with a very strong non-conference schedule.

KO disagrees:

UConn coach Kevin Ollie spent a few minutes after his round of golf as part of the Travelers Championship’s Pro-Am to talk about his team. Here’s the quick skinny:

– The Huskies’ non-conference schedule for the upcoming season is starting to be finalized. Ollie said the lineup should keep UConn’s RPI high despite its new, slightly de-valued league slate.

“Possibly playing Indiana, possibly playing Washington twice, have Stanford coming in here, playing Maryland, playing Florida here,” Ollie said. “We think we kept it about the same.”

 

[UConnDan97]

Well, one of the reasons why this thread is dumb is because the non-conference schedule still has a way to go. For instance, since the time this thread was posted earlier in the day, the Big East has dropped the following games:

#20 Creighton loses to SDSU (they'll likely fall out of the top 25)
Xavier loses to Tennessee
St. John's loses to Penn State
Butler loses to Oklahoma State

We call this the "NelsonMuntz Curse". Of course, if Nova pulls off the upset of Kansas, it changes the story a bit.

The biggest reason why this is a dumb thread is simply due to the fact that a MARGINALLY better strength of schedule in men's basketball SHOULD NOT dictate your entire athletic department's direction. Period. Anyone who doesn't understand that last statement probably doesn't deserve the explanation either. And as it pertains to UConn as a school, we will ALWAYS be a desirable opponent and therefore will be able to control our RPI numbers accordingly...

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Well, one of the reasons why this thread is dumb is because the non-conference schedule still has a way to go. For instance, since the time this thread was posted earlier in the day, the Big East has dropped the following games:

#20 Creighton loses to SDSU (they'll likely fall out of the top 25)
Xavier loses to Tennessee
St. John's loses to Penn State
Butler loses to Oklahoma State

We call this the "NelsonMuntz Curse". Of course, if Nova pulls off the upset of Kansas, it changes the story a bit.

The biggest reason why this is a dumb thread is simply due to the fact that a MARGINALLY better strength of schedule in men's basketball SHOULD NOT dictate your entire athletic department's direction. Period. Anyone who doesn't understand that last statement probably doesn't deserve the explanation either. And as it pertains to UConn as a school, we will ALWAYS be a desirable opponent and therefore will be able to control our RPI numbers accordingly...

Nova beat Kansas and SMU lost to UVa.

It is not a "marginally" better strength of schedule, there is a huge gap. As importantly, fans are voting with their feet. We are in a southern mid-major conference now, and UConn fans clearly don't care about the schedule. If you think attendance is bad now, wait until Louisville and Rutgers are off the schedule.

What compounds the stupidity of this conference situation is an 18 game schedule. We don't need more games against ECU and Houston, we need less. I would be in favor of a 14 game conference schedule for this league.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

KO disagrees:

UConn coach Kevin Ollie spent a few minutes after his round of golf as part of the Travelers Championship’s Pro-Am to talk about his team. Here’s the quick skinny:

– The Huskies’ non-conference schedule for the upcoming season is starting to be finalized. Ollie said the lineup should keep UConn’s RPI high despite its new, slightly de-valued league slate.

“Possibly playing Indiana, possibly playing Washington twice, have Stanford coming in here, playing Maryland, playing Florida here,” Ollie said. “We think we kept it about the same.”

To have a prayer of keeping the SOS respectable, UConn will have to schedule 7 Top 50 opponents in the OOC, because there won't be more than 2 or 3 in conference. In 2011, Uconn finished the BET with 21 games against Top 50 opponents. UConn will be lucky to have 10 after the conference tournament in the future.

 

[whaler11]

To have a prayer of keeping the SOS respectable, UConn will have to schedule 7 Top 50 opponents in the OOC, because there won't be more than 2 or 3 in conference. In 2011, Uconn finished the BET with 21 games against Top 50 opponents. UConn will be lucky to have 10 after the conference tournament in the future.

And how many of those 21 were with Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame and West Virginia? That's a standard that can't be used as that league no longer exists.

 

[UConnJim]

To have a prayer of keeping the SOS respectable, UConn will have to schedule 7 Top 50 opponents in the OOC, because there won't be more than 2 or 3 in conference. In 2011, Uconn finished the BET with 21 games against Top 50 opponents. UConn will be lucky to have 10 after the conference tournament in the future.

Well, last year, the New Big East would have had 4 teams in the top 50 Sagarin rating:

Creighton. 16
Georgetown 17
Marquette 22
Butler 39

This would have helped our SOS? The best Big East teams were UConn, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, and Georgetown. Only 1 is left in the new Big East.

I don't see how the new Big East is that much better than the AAC in basketball and UConn should have given up hope for a conference upgrade by splitting basketball and football.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

SAGARIN DOES NOT MATTER!!!!!! The Selection Committee does not give a (*@$ what Sagarin has to say about anything.

USF, UCF, Tulsa, SMU, Houston and Tulane were all outside the Top 100 RPI last year. Only Depaul and Seton Hall were outside the Top 100 among the BE schools.

Your opinion on the two leagues is not that relevant when there is this much data to prove that you are incorrect.

 

[Fishy]

Not sure why you keep harping on this - we were not going to be invited into the new Big East.

 

[upstater]

Villanova will be the only BE team that's ranked.
Amazing how far St. John's has fallen. They are back in the Lappas era right now.
G'town having a rough year personnel-wise, Butler is falling off, Marquette can't buy a basket, Xavier is getting beaten by chumps.
The only team on the upswing other than Nova is PC but they haven't broken through yet.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

St johns, Providence and Seton Hall like selling tickets. They bailed on the OBE because USF, UCF and the rest of the new schools were attendance poison.

 

[whaler11]

SAGARIN DOES NOT MATTER!!!!!! The Selection Committee does not give a ( @$ what Sagarin has to say about anything.

USF, UCF, Tulsa, SMU, Houston and Tulane were all outside the Top 100 RPI last year. Only Depaul and Seton Hall were outside the Top 100 among the BE schools.

Your opinion on the two leagues is not that relevant when there is this much data to prove that you are incorrect.

The sagarins dont matter because like RPI it's a useless metric. There are legitimate rankings that do.

 

[gioff23]

Thankfully we are not stuck in the SEC

 

[upstater]

St johns, Providence and Seton Hall like selling tickets. They bailed on the OBE because USF, UCF and the rest of the new schools were attendance poison.

St John's attendance:
4300
3900
3500
4200 against Penn State at Barclay's

 

[BlueHen]

Why does someone like you that wants UConn to fail follow UConn? Because if you think the AAC is the best conference solution available, then you are rooting for UConn to fail.

What makes you think I want to see UConn fail? I'm a fan and I want UConn to do well. I'm not happy about being stuck in the AAC, I don't think any fans are. But I have no control over CR. I can lament that the sky is falling, or I can enjoy the fact that the Huskies are 7-0 with 2 wins over the ACC and 1 win over the B1G.

I see the glass as half full, you see it as empty.