ACC replacement list: UConn, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Washington State, Oregon State

[The Yakk]

Do they? The only instance when they did keep someone from leaving was Texas to the PAC and I’m not sure Texas really wanted to go.

Will the state politicians be willing to tick off the UNC and UVA alumni/fans by holding them together? They could, but will they?

No they will not, unless they don't care about the hundreds of $millions they would be flushing down the toilet.

The Virginia governor famously twisted Virginia’s arm to vote VT into the ACC. A good example of state government intervention.

Sadly, the Virginia governor and the Carolina board of trustees have no leverage with the SEC or Big10. They can make all the noise they want, no one will care.

 

[Waquoit]

Another old friend:

Did you know they call him Berry because of his nose?

 

[CL82]

A long-term contract has to continue to be beneficial to both parties. If it is not, then there has to be a way to get out of it.

Doesn't that position inherently undercut the certainty of a long-term agreement? If either party can exit the relationship at any time for any reason, why bother having a contract?

 

[businesslawyer]

it's his shtick.

If only it were his only one.

 

[businesslawyer]

I can't get past a piece of this. A long-term contract has to continue to be beneficial to both parties. If it is not, then there has to be a way to get out of it. If espn can pay Mississippi State and Vandy so much more for football than it is paying FSU and Clemson, then espn is not doing the best it can for its constituents and it is thereby harming FSU and Clemson. Pay FSU more, it will be more competitive, ratings go up. They could argue espn is actually purposefully harming FSU.

No. That's just not how contracts work.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I can't get past a piece of this. A long-term contract has to continue to be beneficial to both parties. If it is not, then there has to be a way to get out of it. If espn can pay Mississippi State and Vandy so much more for football than it is paying FSU and Clemson, then espn is not doing the best it can for its constituents and it is thereby harming FSU and Clemson. Pay FSU more, it will be more competitive, ratings go up. They could argue espn is actually purposefully harming FSU.

It would be cool to see UNC, NC State, UVA, Va Tech, Georgia Tech stay together and keep some form of the ACC intact. They're likely not winning any football championship any time soon, the basketball rivalries are worth saving, and they still make pretty good bank. It would still dominate the east coast and it would be a great home for UConn and perhaps an alliance with the Big East. Besides, how much bigger can the other conferences afford to get?

Wishful thinking, I know.

Look at the situation the Islanders were stuck in for decades with their lease on the Nassau Coliseum (a lease is a long term contract). Just because terms that one party viewed as favorable at the time they signed a lease no longer are favorable, you don't have the ability to just avoid the agreement (unless of course such a provision was written into the agreement).

Similar to the situation the Islanders were in, the possibility of a negotiated buyout always existed. For the Islanders, the cost was prohibitive until roughly ten years ago. For members of the ACC, it may also be a number of years before the cost of buying out of the GOR is no longer prohibitive.

 

[Kolumbo]

Doesn't that position inherently undercut the certainty of a long-term agreement? If either party can exit the relationship at any time for any reason, why bother having a contract?

A correctly executed contract includes details which the parties need to adhere to. Otherwise sure, anyone can enter into a contract and then just mail it in. Both parties need to meet their obligations.

On the flip side, for arguments sake, what if the athletic departments all decided to deemphasize football. They fund it bare bones and continue to collect the big checks from espn. I don't think that would float.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

No they will not, unless they don't care about the hundreds of $millions they would be flushing down the toilet.



Sadly, the Virginia governor and the Carolina board of trustees have no leverage with the SEC or Big10. They can make all the noise they want, no one will care.

Politicians talk and the B1G/SEC walk.

 

[CL82]

A correctly executed contract includes details which the parties need to adhere to. Otherwise sure, anyone can enter into a contract and then just mail it in. Both parties need to meet their obligations.

On the flip side, for arguments sake, what if the athletic departments all decided to deemphasize football. They fund it bare bones and continue to collect the big checks from espn. I don't think that would float.

You do realize that asking whether both parties met their obligations under the contract is a different thing than just saying hey any any party should be able to exit contract when they no longer feel it in their best interest without regard to the impact on the other party.

I'm not at all sure about the point you're trying to make in the second paragraph, so I can't comment on it.

 

[Kolumbo]

You do realize that asking whether both parties met their obligations under the contract is a different thing than just saying hey any any party should be able to exit contract when they no longer feel it in their best interest without regard to the impact on the other party.

I'm not at all sure about the point you're trying to make in the second paragraph, so I can't comment on it.

I have no idea what you are trying to say or what you are replying to in your first paragraph so let's call it even.

 

[CL82]

I have no idea what you are trying to say or what you are replying to in your first paragraph so let's call it even.

Works for me.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

Our friends on another site are doing a poll on which school the ACC may add, if any. UConn is an option.

Which school the ACC will add, if any?

ACCbbs: The #1 Board for Atlantic Coast Conference sports on the internet.

csnbbs.com

 

[UConn Dan]

Not sure if this was posted this article references the below tweet

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[Rufus]

Not sure if this was posted this article references the below tweet

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footballscoop.com

So UConn is less valuable than every school in the B1G, SEC, Big 12 and ACC, as well as Washington State, Oregon State, Army, Navy and South Florida?

 

[LoyalFanCT]

So UConn is less valuable than every school in the B1G, SEC, Big 12 and ACC, as well as Washington State, Oregon State, Army, Navy and South Florida?

The study is garbage.

 

[TheCatsLair]

In a few years when the Big12 realizes UCF, ASU, Cincy and Houston were total ass additions I’m not sure they’ll itching to add more mouths to feed

Cincinnati, Houston and UCF have contributed big time to the Big 12. And their markets along with Arizona State's make them major gets for the Big 12.

 

[TheCatsLair]

Even if those brands left (and Louisville & Pitt are less desirable brands to a Big XII already bloated to 16) you'd still have a rump ACC that is better for the athletic department and would feature several long-term rivals. If you had a scenario where the Big XII decided to be the Big XX you're more likely looking at them seeking NC State, Virginia Tech, Miami, and one out of the Georgia Tech, Louisville, Duke (if he Yormark really thinks hoops has value). That leaves the rump ACC with BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Pitt, two of Louisville, Georgia Tech, Duke (as well as Stanford, SMU & Cal). From a nostalgia perspective you still get a taste of the Big East that UConn grew up in, albeit under a different name (and nowhere near as sweet), from a football perspective you get a schedule with schools that while currently P4 (at least in name) are programs UConn can compete with.

It won't happen, but really the best thing "sanity-wise" in a scenario where the ACC loses its top brands would be for the ACC and Big XII to partner to swap out brands into a bit more of a geographic alignment. Rump-ACC would swap out Stanford, Cal & SMU for WVU, UCF & Cincy.

That would be a major downgrade for the Big 12.

 

[uconnyankee]

Not sure if this was posted this article references the below tweet

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I don’t know how that chart does or doesn’t factor conference affiliation. I’m guessing some of the lower P4 schools are inflated due to their affiliation (Rutgers, Wake, etc)

 

[NE Football]

New Cable Network for A.C.C. Heightens Arms Race in College Sports (Published 2019)

The ACC Network is owned by ESPN with revenues and costs split with the Atlantic Coast Conference. Its launch comes against a backdrop of changing viewership and big money to air college sports.

www.nytimes.com

The ACC Network is 100% owned by ESPN. They split the costs and revenue equally with the ACC, but it’s 100% owned by ESPN. Easy to switch out the ACC with the Big 12.

No, it’s a joint venture with the ACC. You can switch out your equity partners without buying them out. ESPN will just cherry pick the teams from the B12 to add to the ACC. Very simple and very clean business plan.

 

[CL82]

No, it’s a joint venture with the ACC. You can switch out your equity partners without buying them out. ESPN will just cherry pick the teams from the B12 to add to the ACC. Very simple and very clean business plan.

If ESPN can unilaterally "switch out" the other "equity partners" at no cost, then, definitionally, they aren't "equity partners."

 

[NE Football]

ESPN can only add B12 teams when their contract with the B12 is up.

 

[uconndogs]

No. That's just not how contracts work.

You mean to say that if the terms of a contract end up turning against a party they are not entitled to unilaterally terminate the contract?!?!

 

[UConnTrumbull]

ACC insider - nice words on UConn

Friedlander: Hey ACC, you messed up by not adding UConn when you had a chance. Don't blow it again - Saturday Road

The ACC has hurt itself by passing UConn over in its 3 previous rounds of realignment. It can't afford to keep making the same mistake.

saturdayroad.com

 

[CTBballfan243]

ACC insider - nice words on UConn

Friedlander: Hey ACC, you messed up by not adding UConn when you had a chance. Don't blow it again - Saturday Road

The ACC has hurt itself by passing UConn over in its 3 previous rounds of realignment. It can't afford to keep making the same mistake.

saturdayroad.com

I forget, what's rule #1 in conference realignment?

 

[UConnTrumbull]

I forget, what's rule #1 in conference realignment?

So… should I not contribute to the thread?