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FDNY99 said:
If BE football goes down the drain can the BE still keep the football schools in the conference for 27 months for olympic sports? I think it is safe to say the BE will survive in some shape/form as a basketball based conference like it started out as.
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No idea. Frankly, not sure it matters much.
 
Hmm? WVU sued Rich Rodriguez for breaking his contract to leave early for Michigan
 
businesslawyer said:
I really am amazed at some of these posts. Some of you have so locked yourselves in on what you think marinatto has done that if it was announced today by Romney and Obama together that he has solved the national debt crisis, you'd think it was a trick to help the Catholic schools.

The Big East Commissioner may or may not be competent, but that doesn't change the fact that WVU is acting in an absolutely immoreal and unconscionable manner. They voted this guy in. If they don't like what he's doing, either say you're quitting if people won't change leadership or give your 27 months notice.
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people are still blaming the Germans for bombing Pearl Harbor.
 
businesslawyer said:
I really am amazed at some of these posts. Some of you have so locked yourselves in on what you think marinatto has done that if it was announced today by Romney and Obama together that he has solved the national debt crisis, you'd think it was a trick to help the Catholic schools.

The Big East Commissioner may or may not be competent, but that doesn't change the fact that WVU is acting in an absolutely immoreal and unconscionable manner. They voted this guy in. If they don't like what he's doing, either say you're quitting if people won't change leadership or give your 27 months notice.
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It may be immoral and unconscionable, but I think they're outta here. No one is going to defend that lawsuit. No one.
 
junglehusky said:
ESPN is also the B12's (and LHN's) partner too...
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Go the front page of ESPN.....no story or mention at all of this lawsuit. Just like there was radio-silence from ESPN when the BC comments from DeFillippo came out as well. Yet ESPN reports every single rumor about Big East/Conference re-shuffling otherwise. Coincidence?

I am guess that ESPN is scared tless about ending up as a party to one of these lawsuits. They are trying to ignore these stories and hope that they just go away if they don't give them any atttention.

The last thing ESPN wants is to end up a defendant in one of these lawsuits and have to go through discovery proceedings.
 
From a legal perspective, this case is incredibly weak (and the complaint reads like it was written by an upset 6th grader). Despite WV's claims of some fiduciary duty to maintain a balance between football and bball onlies, it's pie in the sky. If they're hinting at a breach of the duty of loyalty, good luck finding evidence of that. No way this overcomes the business judgment rule, even if Marinatto was a disaster.

It's posturing, and screams of desperation by WV, all at the expense of the tuition-paying students and WV taxpayers.
 
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UConnSportsGuy said:
Go the front page of ESPN.....no story or mention at all of this lawsuit. Just like there was radio-silence from ESPN when the BC comments from DeFillippo came out as well. Yet ESPN reports every single rumor about Big East/Conference re-shuffling otherwise. Coincidence?

I am guess that ESPN is scared tless about ending up as a party to one of these lawsuits. They are trying to ignore these stories and hope that they just go away if they don't give them any atttention.

The last thing ESPN wants is to end up a defendant in one of these lawsuits and have to go through discovery proceedings.
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Yes. They are afraid to let anyone write/say anything, because they are afraid it will be used against them if they are sued. Which, thank you for much Gene, they are absolutely worried about.
 
gars44 said:
It may be immoral and unconscionable, but I think they're outta here. No one is going to defend that lawsuit. No one.
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The only way it won't be defended is if every football school is safely placed. I hope that is the result, but I can't see it happening. If you think for a moment Delaney and Scott (and Swofford) are going to bail out the Big XIi here ....
 
businesslawyer said:
The only way it won't be defended is if every football school is safely placed. I hope that is the result, but I can't see it happening. If you think for a moment Delaney and Scott (and Swofford) are going to bail out the Big XIi here ....
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The bb schools won't let it go either.
 
fleudslipcon said:
This is a ludicrous lawsuit made in haste by a desperate university. I almost feel sorry for them.
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Desperate university?
Feeling sorry for them?

We in glass houses should not throw stones.
 
....and now you see why the SEC was so deliberate and careful about inviting aTm and Missouri to the conference and them leaving the B12 for they SEC. They were very smart to protect themselves from potential litigation from the B12 (see Kenneth Starr from Baylor). Unfortunately, the B12 has left themselves open to be sued by the Big East here. It may not come to that...but they have certainly left themselves vulnerable.

I know everyone was criticizing the SEC for being so slow and deliberate through this whole thing...but now you see why.
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
Go the front page of ESPN.....no story or mention at all of this lawsuit. Just like there was radio-silence from ESPN when the BC comments from DeFillippo came out as well. Yet ESPN reports every single rumor about Big East/Conference re-shuffling otherwise. Coincidence?

I am guess that ESPN is scared tless about ending up as a party to one of these lawsuits. They are trying to ignore these stories and hope that they just go away if they don't give them any atttention.

The last thing ESPN wants is to end up a defendant in one of these lawsuits and have to go through discovery proceedings.
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Then let's sue them.

It's time to redistrubute some pain and suffering on the greatest purveyor of dishonesty and vindictiveness.
 
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vowelguy said:
Desperate university?
Feeling sorry for them?

We in glass houses should not throw stones.
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Not throwing stones. I'm sure the lawsuit will be lost by WV. They had to rush a document as quickly as possible because they are on a timeline. Otherwise they would have hired better lawyers and given them more time to fashion a better document. Hence the desperation comment.

I feel plenty sorry for us. But they literally can taste the goal line and but for a simple clause in a contract they agreed to won't get past the goal line. We're not in any goal line stance at the moment.
 
FWIW, it's on the main page now of ESPN. This thing is going to get ugly. But I'm still confident UConn will arise out of this in the proper spot they should be, the ACC.
 
Maybe WVU is just pushing this lawsuit to put pressure on the BE and make them make the decision - whether to bring this thing to court and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees or to settle this out of court and watch WVU leave. To me, it would be insane for Cuse and Pitt not to get in on this as co-plantiffs, because even though the BE may have the upper hand, it's still going to cost them a lot of money to make the defense. I think this is just politics by WVU - and not necessarily a crazy move. Without this, the BE has all the power. At least WVU has a slight bargaining chip now in their negotiations to leave early.
 
gars44 said:
Not necessarily. But it is immediately removable under diversity rules, unless West Virginia sued an in state party. I didn't read it.

Edit: Let me take that back about removability. I just did a Google search and if the state is the real party in interest, then it cannot be removed. So, further to my earlier point, no one in the big east is going to have the will to oppose this lawsuit, especially if it means attending court in some backwoods courthouse filled with mountainmen carrying muskets. Ain't happenin. They are outtahere.
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Not an expert at this, but I don't think state universities can only be sued in their state, as the state itself can. And, in any event, only federal courts (I think) have jurisdiction in disputes between states, so as soon as Rutgers and UConn come in as parties, in addition to the Big East, that would be another reason for removal.

Gars -- I'm not getting your apparent glee over the Big East defaulting. Unless UConn is in the ACC by then, why do you think that will happen, or why would you like to see it happen.
 
NHUConnfan said:
Maybe WVU is just pushing this lawsuit to put pressure on the BE and make them make the decision - whether to bring this thing to court and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees or to settle this out of court and watch WVU leave. To me, it would be insane for Cuse and Pitt not to get in on this as co-plantiffs, because even though the BE may have the upper hand, it's still going to cost them a lot of money to make the defense. I think this is just politics by WVU - and not necessarily a crazy move. Without this, the BE has all the power. At least WVU has a slight bargaining chip now in their negotiations to leave early.
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I think Pitt and Syracuse were settled on doing the right thing by their soon to be ex-partners. And I don't think they will evaluate WVU's case as having a big enough likelihood of success to join it.
 
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Just when I thought nothing would shock me anymore in this dog and pony show.

I'm so speechless and disgusted.
 
From everything I've heard, which admittedly isn't much, the B12 needs a team to replace Missouri or risk their TV deal. Has anyone seen anything that would indicate WVU's invite is contingent upon entering next year? For the record, if Uconn was invited to the ACC, I'm certain they would honor the 27 months as Pitt and Syracuse indicated they would also.
 
WVU and its fan base has typically gotten a pass on most Big East boards. I'm assuming it's because they've always seemed loyal in the past, and because they helped the Big Easts football reputation with a couple BCS wins. WVU had a chance to be like VPI during Exodus I. Miami and BC left first so most didn't blame VPI because they just reacted to protect their interest. I don't think anyone was going to blame any of the non-Syracuse/Pitt football teams for finding a landing place, but this lawsuit changes things for me. WVU is basically trying to completely screw UConn, RU, Louisville, Cincy, and USF. They know that the only chance to keep a BCS bid is to stick around (with Pitt and Syracuse) for 2 more years and they are trying to blow that up.

I have more of a problem with WVU's lawsuit than I do with Syracuse and Pitt's move. The fact that the Big XII allowed WVU to do this says a lot. I can't believe that WVU did this without pressure from the Big XII. I would have to think that the Big XII told WVU they needed someone for next year. WVU either exaggerated or had some reason to believe that that they could get out early. When they couldn't get the okay from the other football schools, they got desperate and now they're suing. No matter the outcome, WVU's image is stained.

I would think that the outcome of this suit is going to be either a total armageddon of lawsuits against teams, conferences, and/or networks with eventual legislative involvement or someone is going to call the big conferences into a room and explain that it's in their best interest to find a landing place for UConn, RU, Louisville, Cincy and USF. Fun stuff!
 
Yonick said:
I'm sure the remaining BE football schools feel the same way WV feels. They may not win this suit, but they are right in their feelings about leadership in Providence.
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One example please of how the BB schools were treated better by the commissioner? Just one example with proof. All I'm asking for is one.
 
If nothing else, it will bring many BE FB issues to light. I believe it will force some changes down the road so it can't be bad for new members. Also, if BE does counter suit it could get very ugly for the ACC, ESPN and the B12. I am not sure BE would want to get ESPN involved right now due potential new TV deal down the road, but their involvement in this whole mess is what started this whole thing. I have no idea why B12 has such disregard regarding BE's by-laws, but they will be dragged into this as well.

Only possible solution is if all the remaining FB schools find landing spots so everyone can leave early. I just don't see how WVU and others get around this 27 months exit thing.
 
Chuck said:
I would think that the outcome of this suit is going to be either a total armageddon of lawsuits against teams, conferences, and/or networks with eventual legislative involvement or someone is going to call the big conferences into a room and explain that it's in their best interest to find a landing place for UConn, RU, Louisville, Cincy and USF. Fun stuff!
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I hope this is what happens because otherwise UConn is walking slowly to its death.
 
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FriarJ said:
One example please of how the BB schools were treated better by the commissioner? Just one example with proof. All I'm asking for is one.
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Waiting on Villanova for 9 months while they dithered around trying to make a decision amd then made a half-assed proposal to the Big East.
 
gars44 said:
Not necessarily. But it is immediately removable under diversity rules, unless West Virginia sued an in state party. I didn't read it.

Edit: Let me take that back about removability. I just did a Google search and if the state is the real party in interest, then it cannot be removed. So, further to my earlier point, no one in the big east is going to have the will to oppose this lawsuit, especially if it means attending court in some backwoods courthouse filled with mountainmen carrying muskets. Ain't happenin. They are outtahere.
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Let me get this straight: your saying that the BE conference needs to have the schools permission to fight this? If that is the case than the BE is dead because at least 5 of the schools mentioned have a vested (or presumed) interest in seeing this lawsuit go forward uncontested. Am I reading you correctly? If so, then obviously, any school can pay a meager sum and go on its way without any resistance! I'm not doubting you, I just find that to be incredible. Either that, or I'm reading your conclusion wrongly.
 
FriarJ said:
One example please of how the BB schools were treated better by the commissioner? Just one example with proof. All I'm asking for is one.
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1. Pushing Villanova
2. Squelching the addition of Kansas, KSU, etc., last year when the B12 temporarily unraveled.
 
"The BE has denigrated into a non-BCS conference."

What?

This documented is not changing anyone's stereotypes about the educational system in the state of West Virginia.
 
"Frustration of Purpose"?? Isn't that what Marinade is in every day?
 
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