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CallMeBruce said:
Right, but if the Big XII is told they need to add two teams to get a CCG, they may target one or two of the schools in the ACC in order to get to twelve. Again, I don't know if it would work, but I have to think that FSU and Georgia Tech at least pick up the phone when the Big XII calls, and that's further than I want that to go if I'm the ACC. Moving into a more football-centric conference would likely have some appeal to the ACC football schools.
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to this point, no school has left for a 'perceived' weaker conference... And, the ACC and Big 12 are the only P5 conferences to lose schools of late. If one of those conferences can poach from the other, consider it a death blow.
 
Marty Jackson said:
to this point, no school has left for a 'perceived' weaker conference... And, the ACC and Big 12 are the only P5 conferences to lose schools of late. If one of those conferences can poach from the other, consider it a death blow.
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If Texas and OK were poached, death blow. 4 power conferences. If FSU and Clemson were poached, I'd envision a long, slow, painful death, perhaps lasting several years until the remaining decent football programs in the Big ACC were realigned.
 
UCONN13KC said:
If Texas and OK were poached, death blow. 4 power conferences. If FSU and Clemson were poached, I'd envision a long, slow, painful death, perhaps lasting several years until the remaining decent football programs in the Big ACC were realigned.
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It better not because if Clemson and FSU walk there's a good chance we're in the ACC. Of course if the Big 12 expands because it decides it needs a conference championship game... the worst case scenario for us is they just add BYU and Cinci.
 
IMind said:
It better not because if Clemson and FSU walk there's a good chance we're in the ACC. Of course if the Big 12 expands because it decides it needs a conference championship game... the worst case scenario for us is they just add BYU and Cinci.
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Worst-case scenario for us is that they add Cincy, Memphis, UCF, ECU, Temple, and Houston.
 
bobbyinaz said:
I don't see either the ACC or B12 targeting schools from each other.

Since their GOR are supposedly modeled after each other any successful move from the B12 to ACC (or vice versa) only demonstrates the weakness of the GOR. Knowing that they are the 2 weakest conferences I would guess their is a "gentlemen's agreement" between them to stay away from poaching schools. Any demonstrated weakness in the GOR only gives the SEC & B1G ammunition to go after the desirable schools.

Regardless of what the Dood of WV states I believe that schools like Oklahoma & Kansas would start looking around in a heartbeat if they thought they could get out.
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If Jim Delany announces tomorrow that the B1G intends to go to 20 schools, any 'gentleman's agreement' between the ACC and XII, if such exists, goes out the window in an all out scramble to survive.

100% agree on Oklahoma and Kansas. Along with Texas, those 3 schools are OK and will find a home int he P4 if the XII falls. The rest, not so safe, including WVU, which may or may not have already been rejected by the ACC and SEC and has no shot at the B1G due to academic issues.
 
UCONN13KC said:
If Texas and OK were poached, death blow. 4 power conferences. If FSU and Clemson were poached, I'd envision a long, slow, painful death, perhaps lasting several years until the remaining decent football programs in the Big ACC were realigned.
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I don't think it matters... either way, you'd have final acknowledgement which conference is #4 and which is #5.
#5 is a dead conference walking. once the powers that be decide to shrink the pie further, it's BE 2.0
 
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I think if the sec wanted any aac team(s) it would likely be Cincinnati. It would push them up into ohio, and there are a lot of transplanted southerners up there not to mention advertising dollars. Memphis really doesn't give them anything they do not already have. ECU longer shot given South Carolina. Remember, South Carolina wasn't as good as Cincy is in fb an bb when they grabbed them. I don't see it happening, but it would be the least shocking. I'm not sure Tulane has enough upside.
 
I doubt Oklahoma is going any place without Oklahoma State in their side car and I would bet that is a deal-killer for other conferences.
 
don356 said:
I think if the sec wanted any aac team(s) it would likely be Cincinnati. It would push them up into ohio, and there are a lot of transplanted southerners up there not to mention advertising dollars. Memphis really doesn't give them anything they do not already have. ECU longer shot given South Carolina. Remember, South Carolina wasn't as good as Cincy is in fb an bb when they grabbed them. I don't see it happening, but it would be the least shocking. I'm not sure Tulane has enough upside.
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Cincinnati does not bring much of Ohio that isn't already in SEC territory because of the proximity of UK's proximity to southern Ohio.
 
don356 said:
I think if the sec wanted any aac team(s) it would likely be Cincinnati. It would push them up into ohio, and there are a lot of transplanted southerners up there not to mention advertising dollars. Memphis really doesn't give them anything they do not already have. ECU longer shot given South Carolina. Remember, South Carolina wasn't as good as Cincy is in fb an bb when they grabbed them. I don't see it happening, but it would be the least shocking. I'm not sure Tulane has enough upside.
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This is an interesting notion, and one I have considered as well. An SEC Invite is like a Golden Ticket for football. Consider a school like A&M. They were regularly a middle of the pack Big 12 Team, and recruited well below the level of programs like UT and OU. They move to The SEC, where they remain a mid level program, but suddenly are promoted like they are a national power. Not surprising their recruiting has skyrocketed at the expense of the above mentioned programs.

Cincy would give The SEC inroads into another talent rich state, add a quality basketball program to a mediocre conference, provide a rival for UK, increase revenue for The SEC Network in a large state, and allow Mizzou an opportunity to go west. Do I think this happens? Not really, but it would be an easy pull for them should they choose to expand. Who would be 16 is anyone's guess.

The SEC is unique among conferences in that their favored status with ESPN instantly legitimizes anyone they associate with. For cripes sake both Ole Miss and MSU were ranked in the top 3 this season solely on their performance in conference. Come bowl season both of these SEC Superpowers got curb stomped in their bowl games. Quite honestly I think The SEC could take a Houston or SMU and promote them to top 25 status in short order. The rub is that powerful.
 
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Stinger92860 said:
Not for the AAC!
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If Oklahoma and OK Stat have to stay together and ditto for Kansas and K State, the PAC is their best shot as they have the room and the need while it would add too many schools to the ACC (20+ total) and the B1G and SEC likely want the big teams (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas) and not their little siblings should the XII implode.
 
UCFSports 10:52pm via TweetDeck
Mike Bianchi: It's time for UCF fans to make Big 12 take notice
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...big-12-mike-bianchi-0614-20150613-column.html

>>This is a big call to arms for UCF fans. A Big 12 call to arms. If ever there was a time for the hundreds of thousands of UCF fans, alumni and students in Central Florida to back their football program, then now is it. "It's a sprint, not a marathon," UCF athletic director Todd Stansbury said during a recent UCF fan and booster gathering in downtown Orlando. Although Stansbury wasn't talking specifically about the race to gain a potential invitation to the Big 12, he might as well have been.<<

>>If UCF's burgeoning fan base and massive student population gets behind the effort, then it should be a no-brainer. UCF is clearly a better option than the other two oft-mentioned candidates — American Athletic Conference brethren Memphis and Cincinnati — as an eastern partner for Big 12 expansion. Academically, geographically and philosophically, UCF brings much more to the table than both Memphis and Cincinnati.<<

... there's more.
 
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huskymedic said:
UCFSports 10:52pm via TweetDeck
Mike Bianchi: It's time for UCF fans to make Big 12 take notice
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...big-12-mike-bianchi-0614-20150613-column.html

>>This is a big call to arms for UCF fans. A Big 12 call to arms. If ever there was a time for the hundreds of thousands of UCF fans, alumni and students in Central Florida to back their football program, then now is it. "It's a sprint, not a marathon," UCF athletic director Todd Stansbury said during a recent UCF fan and booster gathering in downtown Orlando. Although Stansbury wasn't talking specifically about the race to gain a potential invitation to the Big 12, he might as well have been.<<

>>If UCF's burgeoning fan base and massive student population gets behind the effort, then it should be a no-brainer. UCF is clearly a better option than the other two oft-mentioned candidates — American Athletic Conference brethren Memphis and Cincinnati — as an eastern partner for Big 12 expansion. Academically, geographically and philosophically, UCF brings much more to the table than both Memphis and Cincinnati.<<

... there's more.
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can't read without registering, what else is there?
 
pj said:
They lost me at "academically brings more"
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Even mentioning memphis and academics in one sentence is comical, but UCONN's sadly seen that play out before with louisville. Obviously, the Orlando Sentinel's merely reciting the ucf ad's rah-rah, Chamber of Commerce-like speech. Hopefully, UCONN not being mentioned is either just another symbol UCONN's going to the B1G and/or the Huskies are the other of two XII targets along with ucf.

Pep talk or not, indirectly ucf's ad may be referencing his school's 55K student population (albeit including a fair number of part-timers - the latter applies to memphis and cinci as well). Compared with cinci's undergrad reputation and admissions requirements, the guy also may not be too far off the mark. Again, he only mentions memphis and cinci. So, UCONN's really B1G invitation is coming soon. ;)
 
Does anyone seem to know what UCF's actual student population is on the main campus, as opposed to the thousands they claim that all commute to that campus as well as other satellites? I know they are building it up, but it wasn't long ago that the main campus had very little housing.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
can't read without registering, what else is there?
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Do a Google search for Mike Bianchi: It's time for UCF fans to make Big 12 take notice. When you click on it through Google, you will be able to read it.
 
JMO but if The Big 12 is actually considering 2 teams for expansion they would be foolish not to target Cincy and UCF. The conference desperately need to find other population centers for recruiting purposes. As it is the entire conference minus WVU depends on one state to fill most of their recruiting needs. That's insane.

Schools like ISU, KU and KSU would benefit greatly from being able to recruit in Florida and Ohio by actually playing games there. Obviously WVU would also approve as much of their recruiting is focused on these areas already. I know UCONN is looking for any port in a storm, but outside of the revenue increase, I think it would be a terrible short term marriage for both The Huskies and the current conference members. I still think The B1G is in your future.
 
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huskymedic said:
UCFSports 10:52pm via TweetDeck
Mike Bianchi: It's time for UCF fans to make Big 12 take notice
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...big-12-mike-bianchi-0614-20150613-column.html

>>This is a big call to arms for UCF fans. A Big 12 call to arms. If ever there was a time for the hundreds of thousands of UCF fans, alumni and students in Central Florida to back their football program, then now is it. "It's a sprint, not a marathon," UCF athletic director Todd Stansbury said during a recent UCF fan and booster gathering in downtown Orlando. Although Stansbury wasn't talking specifically about the race to gain a potential invitation to the Big 12, he might as well have been.<<

>>If UCF's burgeoning fan base and massive student population gets behind the effort, then it should be a no-brainer. UCF is clearly a better option than the other two oft-mentioned candidates — American Athletic Conference brethren Memphis and Cincinnati — as an eastern partner for Big 12 expansion. Academically, geographically and philosophically, UCF brings much more to the table than both Memphis and Cincinnati.<<

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Surely the Big 12 can't take our biggest football rival without taking us too, right??? :eek:
 
TRest said:
Does anyone seem to know what UCF's actual student population is on the main campus, as opposed to the thousands they claim that all commute to that campus as well as other satellites? I know they are building it up, but it wasn't long ago that the main campus had very little housing.
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I don't know official on-campus numbers but the streets that frame the campus literally hold thousands of students in off-campus apartments. I would take any numbers regarding on-campus vice commuters with a grain of salt and do some more digging before I made any judgment on what those numbers mean.
 
Ldandy said:
JMO but if The Big 12 is actually considering 2 teams for expansion they would be foolish not to target Cincy and UCF. The conference desperately need to find other population centers for recruiting purposes. As it is the entire conference minus WVU depends on one state to fill most of their recruiting needs. That's insane.

Schools like ISU, KU and KSU would benefit greatly from being able to recruit in Florida and Ohio by actually playing games there. Obviously WVU would also approve as much of their recruiting is focused on these areas already. I know UCONN is looking for any port in a storm, but outside of the revenue increase, I think it would be a terrible short term marriage for both The Huskies and the current conference members. I still think The B1G is in your future.
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I actually agree with this. When, during the time all of your friends seem to be getting married you are dating someone you feel lukewarm about, do you say "Well, since I want to be married and have all the benefits that it brings, might as well settle for this one?" No, you hold out for a better fit. The B1G is the woman of our dreams, the ACC is one that would likely give us long-term happiness, but with the Big 12 my sense is that we would be heading for divorce court once the seven year itch kicks in.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I don't know official on-campus numbers but the streets that frame the campus literally hold thousands of students in off-campus apartments. I would take any numbers regarding on-campus vice commuters with a grain of salt and do some more digging before I made any judgment on what those numbers mean.
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The main campus in Orlando has accommodations for about 11,000 students.
 
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I worry about this coming to pass. I'm not sure we can survive being passed over again.
 
CL82 said:
I worry about this coming to pass. I'm not sure we can survive being passed over again.
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If the Big 12 takes two , it was never going to be us.
UConn would only be included if the Big 12 wanted to step out of the box and make an incursion into NYC.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
If the Big 12 takes two , it was never going to be us.
UConn would only be included if the Big 12 wanted to step out of the box and make an incursion into NYC.
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Agree, but the continued dilution of our conference coupled with the perception that we have been passed over seems to be a potentially fatal combination.
 
UConn isn't going to the B12. We're not a good fit. First, nobody inside the state of Connecticut/tri-state/New England owns a pair of cowboy boots. Second, we're a basketball school. B12 already has Kansas and that's good enough for them during non-football season. Third, we are a liberal state. Can you imagine the outrage from our local media and fanbase when opposing QBs with the names "Colt", "Gunner" and "Hunter" come to play at the Rent? There will be literally 2 or 3 picketers outside of the highly visible Gate A and we can't have that.
 
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