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Would you rather have "respect" or wins??

uconngb said:
Just gave it to you. In the LAST tourney, two teams INSIDE the top 20 didn't even get a 5 seed. OR a 6 seed. They got a 7 seed. And two UNRANKED teams got better seeds, one a 5 and one a 6.
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So, what youre saying(just to be clear) Is that being in the top 25 almost gurantees you a top 6-7 seed? As i've been stating this whole time
 
AntG168 said:
So, what youre saying(just to be clear) Is that being in the top 25 almost gurantees you a top 6-7 seed? As i've been stating this whole time
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No, I'm saying that is YOUR logic. And it's wrong. I'd much rather be Miss St or Iowa St in that scenario (ie, UNRANKED and higher seeded) than Buffalo or Nevada. But according to you, it's necessarily better to be ranked come seeding time.
 
superjohn said:
I swear people are just creating threads to troll themselves now.
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I started this thread to point out the ridiculousness of people obsessing about rankings and seedings. Somehow it went off the rails. I don't give a crap where we are ranked or seeded. I know what I'm seeing on the court. We have a chance. That's all I care about.
 
uconngb said:
No, I'm saying that is YOUR logic. And it's wrong. I'd much rather be Miss St or Iowa St in that scenario (ie, UNRANKED and higher seeded) than Buffalo or Nevada. But according to you, it's necessarily better to be ranked come seeding time.
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I don't have a "logic" lmaoo. Being ranked it almost always better than being unranked. Youre stuck on one facet of it(seeding) when everyone in this thread as stated multiple reaasons outside of seeding why its better. Youre not worth responding to at this point. You literally proved my point regarding seeding, and you did it while thinking you were making a point. Being in the top 25 almost gurantees you a seed 1-7. THE END. Convince yourself otherwise
 
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AntG168 said:
I don't have a "logic" lmaoo. Being ranked it almost always better than being unranked. Youre stuck on one facet of it(seeding) when everyone in this thread as stated multiple reaasons outside of seeding why its better. Youre not worth responding to at this point. You literally proved my point regarding seeding, and you did it while thinking you were making a point. Being in the top 25 almost gurantees you a seed 1-7. THE END. Convince yourself otherwise
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Obviously the best teams are ranked. Any idiot knows that. It's at the bottom of the rankings, where we are currently hovering, that it's meaningless. Which I proved. You think whatever you want. Maybe you can start a petition to lobby the guys at the Des Moines Gazette and the Nebraska Ledger to pay more attention so we can get their votes. I'm sure that will dramatically impact our seeding come selection Sunday......and even more importantly, impact our performance in the tournament. Me, I'll focus on watching basketball and let our play do the talking.
 
uconngb said:
Obviously the best teams are ranked. Any idiot knows that. It's at the bottom of the rankings, where we are currently hovering, that it's meaningless. Which I proved. You think whatever you want. Maybe you can start a petition to lobby the guys at the Des Moines Gazette and the Nebraska Ledger to pay more attention so we can get their votes. I'm sure that will dramatically impact our seeding come selection Sunday......and even more importantly, impact our performance in the tournament. Me, I'll focus on watching basketball and let our play do the talking.
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Again idgaf about seeding when it comes to being ranked, that’s such a small facet. Wth is wrong with you. Let’s talk perception, exposure, recruiting. UConn’s rise is all due to those things. And being ranked bolsters those things even more. If all the best teams are ranked, why wouldn’t you care about being ranked? Lmao
 
I kind of get what the op is saying. I wouldn’t say being ranked doesn’t matter. Sometimes the matchup is a bigger deal then your seed. For instance in 2014 we had a vulnerable 2 seeded Nova in our bracket, St Joes was the much better team going into the tournament as the winner of that first game was most likely gonna beat Nova, not to mention the regionals being in MSG. Also in 2014 Kentucky as an 8 seeded faced an undefeated Wichita State team in rd 2 that had a weak schedule. So the comitte kind of punished Wichita State by having Kentucky in its 2nd rd matchup.
 
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AntG168 said:
Both. When you're not respected you can't recruit, when you can't recruit you don't win. Why this escapes some of you is baffling. UConn ascension into what it is now started after the move to the big east. Why? Because we garnered more attention because of who we were playing. Recognition, respect are major factors in elevating a program to where UConn belongs. Some of you want to be the cinderella school and that just isn't who we are.
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We weren't respected coming out of the AAC, but Hurley and his staff did a pretty good job of recruiting. And before you say that it's because of The Big East, I believe Bouk was pre BE. Just win and everything will take care of itself.
 
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UCSouth said:
We weren't respected coming out of the AAC, but Hurley and his staff did a pretty good job of recruiting. And before you say that it's because of The Big East, I believe Bouk was pre BE. Just win and everything will take care of itself.
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We still had some respect. We were still UConn, we didn’t all of a sudden become St. Joes
 
False choice. Wins get you respect.

This team has a chance to gain respect every time they step on the court. They do that by winning.

We didn't deserve respect in the AAC because we were piling up losing seasons. If we had run away with league titles by piling up wins, we would have all the respect we wanted.
 
AntG168 said:
Dude youre lost. Forget what the committee looks at. What im telling you is being ranked in the top 25 almost directly reflects who the 1-6 seeds will be. Whether the committee uses it or not, its almost always an accurate reflection of who's who going into the tourney. You can argue on placement in the top 25, but theyre all second weekend potential tournament teams
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I've seen articles saying that the rankings align with the seedings more than anything else. I don't know if the selection committee does this on purpose or whether things just seem to fall that way more often than not.
 
When you win you force respect, you dont just get it respect is earned not given. When you win you force respect down peoples throats and back them up into a corner.
 
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Let's flip this around: @uconngb, can you point to any 1-4 seed that wasn't ranked, since rankings don't matter and all?
 
uconngb said:
Here's some examples, just from the last tournament:

Miss State: unranked, got a 5 seed
Buffalo: ranked 18th, got a 6 seed
Nevada: ranked 14th, got a 7 seed
Cincy: ranked 24th, got a 7 seed
Iowa St: unranked, got a 6 seed
Wofford: ranked 20, got a 7 seed

There are a myriad of other examples from years prior, but I didn't even have to go back further than the last tourney to find SIX examples where teams were seeded far different than their rankings.

So there you have some FACTS.
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Great, you've shown that P5 schools are overseeded relative to their ranking, while everyone else is underseeded.

Your data is evidence that we need to be even more securely in the top 25 to get a 6 seed.
 
uconngb said:
Here's some examples, just from the last tournament:

Miss State: unranked, got a 5 seed
Buffalo: ranked 18th, got a 6 seed
Nevada: ranked 14th, got a 7 seed
Cincy: ranked 24th, got a 7 seed
Iowa St: unranked, got a 6 seed
Wofford: ranked 20, got a 7 seed

There are a myriad of other examples from years prior, but I didn't even have to go back further than the last tourney to find SIX examples where teams were seeded far different than their rankings.

So there you have some FACTS.
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But that doesn't mean the committee doesn't look at, recall or consider rankings at all
I just don't buy that at all
All year these ADs and ex ADs have been following the teams and looking at rankings yet they step in the room, smoke their cigars and take some magical serum that erases that knowledge from their memory banks?
Perhaps they are told to do so, suggested to do so but you feel ALL do it?
Nope - can't see that at all
 
All I care about is "Victims of the Huskies" Anyone remember that T shirt? I think it was a season back in the 90"s. It had our schedule on the back and a box next to each opponent you could check off. The Tourney is all about matchups as Hurley noted. As long as we are playing as a team and have depth which we do it is winning time!
 
You’re all missing my point so I’ll try it differently. Being ranked vs not ranked by definition means you are talking about the bottom of the rankings. My snapshot from the 2019 bracket proves that a teams ranking once you get outside the top 15 or so does not directly correlate to their seeding. I gave 6 examples where that was true just from that one year. I think that’s a good size but I’m not doing anymore research. That said, I guarantee it happened in previous years.

Yes I want us to be good. Yes I want us to be HIGHLY ranked. I just don’t get the obsession of what 25th means vs the 3rd “other team receiving votes”. It clearly doesn’t matter in seeding. It’s not changing any recruits’ minds in whether to come here. And it’s based on a bunch of peoples’ opinions who have probably never seen us play this year.

It ain’t hard to rank Gonzaga #1. But the bottom 10-15 of the poll is always screwed up. Ohio St has lost 4 games in a row for Gods sake and is STILL in the top 10!! So I just don’t get the obsession with being ranked as in somehow it changes us. Winning changes us. Rankings mean squat. You get ranked because you win. So let’s just win. And all the other crap will take care of itself.
 
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Haters coming around....
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uconngb said:
So I just don’t get the obsession with being ranked as in somehow it changes us. Winning changes us. Rankings mean squat. You get ranked because you win.
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You get ranked because you win.

So if you are ranked, it's because you're winning.

Therefore, I want to be ranked.

Also, being ranked comes with ancillary benefits as others have noted.

I get that you are saying that being ranked does not necessarily mean that all your hopes and your dreams come true as a team.

But everyone understands that and suggests that being ranked is the effect of having a good season and can be part of a larger narrative of success that is needed for recruiting, i.e. sustaining success.

You posed the title as a disjunctive syllogism when really it is a hypothetical syllogism.

It's not EITHER winning OR "respect" (i.e. ranking)

It's "If you win, you will have that respect."

And having that respect is usually (though not necessarily) an indicator that you are winning.
 
Just read through 3 pages and didn’t see it mentioned once... maybe it’s just me, but I solely care about our “respect” this time of year because seeding is very important to making a deep run. A top 7 seed guarantees we wouldn’t have to face a 1 seed until at least the sweet 16, giving us a much better chance to get to the second weekend or beyond.

a sweet 16 or better on hurleys resume would be great for him, the players who will be returning next year for a deep run, our recruiting and the trajectory program.
 
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