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I thought England played excellent and were going to win that game. I'm not a fan of calling penalties simply because of contact but boy did the ref let a lot of things go. Then when the ref first failed to call the penalty when Mason Mount was bowled over in the penalty box, it really felt like something was amiss. Kane missing the PK though.

 
So, with all the talk about how the US doesn’t have the talent and depth to compete with the big boys…is Morocco that much better than us? I’m not familiar with their team outside of Ziyech, who’s played even less than Pulisic at Chelsea.
Morocco certainly looked a lot better than US. I finally watched the game last night. Morocco look incredible in the first half, the goal was amazing. I know the keeper was at fault but the way Youssef launched, he looked like Jordan the way he took off and seemed to get an extra boost. The Morocco just shut down Portugal the 2nd half. Great defense. I will say it looked like Ronaldo added a lift and had a couple of chances. He's best when they are running and he can use his speed but Morocco locked them down.

 
Just look at that height! Youssef is listed at 6'2, I'd like to know how high the ball was when he headed it.

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OK We go again today. Arg v Croatia at 2 et.
I think there will be a red card given out
2-1 Argentina
 
OK We go again today. Arg v Croatia at 2 et.
I think there will be a red card given out
2-1 Argentina
I'm pulling for Croatia, but it wouldn't surprise me if Argentina gets favorable treatment again.
 
Croatia got their asses kicked fair and square.
 
Croatia got their asses kicked fair and square.
Still an amazing showing for a country which has the same population as Connecticut, semis and finals the past 2 World Cups. I'll always wonder how great Yugoslavia would be in International basketball and soccer had they not broken up.
 
Pulling for France to win this thing. I think it would be a great match.
 
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Still an amazing showing for a country which has the same population as Connecticut, semis and finals the past 2 World Cups. I'll always wonder how great Yugoslavia would be in International basketball and soccer had they not broken up.
Yeah, but they got their asses kicked. I thought you're anti-participation trophy?
 
Yeah, but they got their asses kicked. I thought you're anti-participation trophy?
Meh. First goal was a PK. 2nd was freakish - Alvarez just barreled his way to the goal. The 3rd was all Messi doing what Messi does.

You can play great team soccer but the goals often come in transition or if you have a magician.
 
Meh. First goal was a PK. 2nd was freakish - Alvarez just barreled his way to the goal. The 3rd was all Messi doing what Messi does.

You can play great team soccer but the goals often come in transition or if you have a magician.
My biggest complaint with this sport has always been that routine fouls don't benefit the affected team enough, and fouls in the box (especially not on clear scoring chances) give them too much. Free kicks in the attacking 1/3 about the only fouls that feel right. Stopping a breakaway in midfield? Not nearly enough. A penalty kick for a minor foul at the edge of the side of the box (like the first yesterday)? Way too much.
 
Early goal from France on a fairly relentless effort. Giroud has missed two good chances since. Morocco not very threatening, but has decent possession.
 
My biggest complaint with this sport has always been that routine fouls don't benefit the affected team enough, and fouls in the box (especially not on clear scoring chances) give them too much. Free kicks in the attacking 1/3 about the only fouls that feel right. Stopping a breakaway in midfield? Not nearly enough. A penalty kick for a minor foul at the edge of the side of the box (like the first yesterday)? Way too much.

Imagining what you would say in a DOGSO situation.
 
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France - Argentina Sunday. Not a total shocker.
Griezmann is playing incredible soccer. Better overall talent so I will take France, although Lloris is due for a howler
 
Imagining what you would say in a DOGSO situation.
I think I'm saying if it is an obvious goal scoring opportunity, that's the case for a penalty. It's more relevant than whether they are in the box or not. As for sending them off, soccer could use a Hockey style send off. Yellow card tackle from behind on a breakaway, even at midfield? 5 minute major.

Currently there's a pretty strong incentive to foul often and it mucks things up.
 
I think I'm saying if it is an obvious goal scoring opportunity, that's the case for a penalty. It's more relevant than whether they are in the box or not. As for sending them off, soccer could use a Hockey style send off. Yellow card tackle from behind on a breakaway, even at midfield? 5 minute major.

Currently there's a pretty strong incentive to foul often and it mucks things up.

Nowhere near as bad as basketball which is unwatchable at times.
 
I think I'm saying if it is an obvious goal scoring opportunity, that's the case for a penalty. It's more relevant than whether they are in the box or not. As for sending them off, soccer could use a Hockey style send off. Yellow card tackle from behind on a breakaway, even at midfield? 5 minute major.

Currently there's a pretty strong incentive to foul often and it mucks things up.
Sooo, you think taking away PKs for fouls in the box (that don't DOGSO) is going to reduce the number of fouls in the box? And open up play more?
 
Sooo, you think taking away PKs for fouls in the box (that don't DOGSO) is going to reduce the number of fouls in the box? And open up play more?
If you award free kicks at the spot of the foul? And take a player off for X minutes? It would be fine. I'm not saying not to call them. I'd like to see any player who lays on the ground long enough to cause a stoppage has to stay off the pitch for at least 3-4 minutes as well. End the flopping. You're hurt or you're not. If it's just pain then get up.
 
If you award free kicks at the spot of the foul? And take a player off for X minutes? It would be fine. I'm not saying not to call them. I'd like to see any player who lays on the ground long enough to cause a stoppage has to stay off the pitch for at least 3-4 minutes as well. End the flopping. You're hurt or you're not. If it's just pain then get up.
All pretty bad ideas.
 
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Americans think they can "fix" soccer. As if anything they can think of hasn't been considered already.
I know it's not realistic.
 
If you award free kicks at the spot of the foul? And take a player off for X minutes? It would be fine. I'm not saying not to call them. I'd like to see any player who lays on the ground long enough to cause a stoppage has to stay off the pitch for at least 3-4 minutes as well. End the flopping. You're hurt or you're not. If it's just pain then get up.
Not sure about this one. I’ve heard arguments against penalties for fouls in the box that did not take away a clear goal scoring opportunities (i.e., when a guy is fouled with his back to the goal). There’s some logic to that argument, but giving even more discretion to officials worries me, too.

One of the “American” ideas I actually like for soccer is awarding a penalty (similar to hockey, but your team plays down a man for 4-5 minutes) when someone intentionally fouls a player in transition. While players typically get a yellow card, those fouls take away so many potentially exciting plays. I’m not completely sold on it, but it would be fun if they tested it in a lower league to see what impact it has before rolling it out to EPL or major tournaments.
 
What France has done for in this World Cup is even more impressive when you look at the injuries to key players that aren't even on the WC roster. Pogba, Benzema, Kante, Kimpembe, Lucas Hernandez, and Nkunku are all out. It would be a totally different, and better/deeper team with these top players available.
 
A team of those injured would be in the semi finals. Unreal talent & youth.
This is why I don’t think the US will win one in my lifetime
 
If you award free kicks at the spot of the foul? And take a player off for X minutes? It would be fine. I'm not saying not to call them. I'd like to see any player who lays on the ground long enough to cause a stoppage has to stay off the pitch for at least 3-4 minutes as well. End the flopping. You're hurt or you're not. If it's just pain then get up.

You’re not gaming this out. If you take away PKs in the box then you will see less attacking and even less scoring.

Soccer is a defensive sport. The rules and the nature of the sport favor the defenders.

PKs are one of the few things offense has going for it.
 
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