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oldude said:
Congratulations to Breezy Johnson for winning the 1st US gold medal in the women’s downhill. At the same time, I wish someone had been able to step in and persuade/order Lindsey Vonn not to compete with her torn ACL. At high speeds it’s nearly impossible for a skier to hold their line without 2 stable legs. Vonn’s injury today was both tragic and predictable.
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The surgeon who replaced my right ACL a couple decades ago was the orthopod for the Phoenix indoor soccer team. He told me half the players were missing at least one ACL, but that their thigh muscles were trained so hard they held the knees together under the huge stresses of high-level soccer. The players couldn't afford the time it would take to heal and regain their conditioning.

Lindsey had consulted with some of the best orthopods in the world before deciding to resume competition after the ACL tear, and they gave their assent. She came in 3rd in the course familiarization race on the same course as her crash. She has raced this course 18 times previously, winning 6 and being on the podium for 6 more.

Lindsey's statement is that she missed her line into the turn by 5 inches, caught the flag with her arm and was rotated by the impact, after which it was all over at those speeds. She and her doctors both assert the knee was not the cause of her error.

There was nothing predictable about the crash, other than that there is always a chance of failure at the ridiculous speeds the competitors achieve.
 
JRRRJ said:
The surgeon who replaced my right ACL a couple decades ago was the orthopod for the Phoenix indoor soccer team. He told me half the players were missing at least one ACL, but that their thigh muscles were trained so hard they held the knees together under the huge stresses of high-level soccer. The players couldn't afford the time it would take to heal and regain their conditioning.

Lindsey had consulted with some of the best orthopods in the world before deciding to resume competition after the ACL tear, and they gave their assent. She came in 3rd in the course familiarization race on the same course as her crash. She has raced this course 18 times previously, winning 6 and being on the podium for 6 more.

Lindsey's statement is that she missed her line into the turn by 5 inches, caught the flag with her arm and was rotated by the impact, after which it was all over at those speeds. She and her doctors both assert the knee was not the cause of her error.

There was nothing predictable about the crash, other than that there is always a chance of failure at the ridiculous speeds the competitors achieve.
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Yes, it’s possible to compete with a torn ACL, particularly if you are moving straight ahead. But anytime you turn or cut on a torn ACL, your leg lacks stability, no matter how strong your thigh and quads are. It’s no coincidence that Lindsey Vaughn’s accident occurred while attempting a turn at 70-80 mph.

She missed her line by 5” in a downhill race? If it were slalom I could see it. But honestly, how often, if ever, have you seen a championship skier catch a gate on downhill.
 
JRRRJ said:
The surgeon who replaced my right ACL a couple decades ago was the orthopod for the Phoenix indoor soccer team. He told me half the players were missing at least one ACL, but that their thigh muscles were trained so hard they held the knees together under the huge stresses of high-level soccer. The players couldn't afford the time it would take to heal and regain their conditioning.

Lindsey had consulted with some of the best orthopods in the world before deciding to resume competition after the ACL tear, and they gave their assent. She came in 3rd in the course familiarization race on the same course as her crash. She has raced this course 18 times previously, winning 6 and being on the podium for 6 more.

Lindsey's statement is that she missed her line into the turn by 5 inches, caught the flag with her arm and was rotated by the impact, after which it was all over at those speeds. She and her doctors both assert the knee was not the cause of her error.

There was nothing predictable about the crash, other than that there is always a chance of failure at the ridiculous speeds the competitors achieve.
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Glad you stated this. In watching this over and over, it was clear she just cut that line too tight, and a couple of others before her were cutting it close, too. The announcer early on said that the snow was great for taking chances, not too icy so you could really take aggressive lines.
 
JRRRJ said:
The surgeon who replaced my right ACL a couple decades ago was the orthopod for the Phoenix indoor soccer team. He told me half the players were missing at least one ACL, but that their thigh muscles were trained so hard they held the knees together under the huge stresses of high-level soccer. The players couldn't afford the time it would take to heal and regain their conditioning.

Lindsey had consulted with some of the best orthopods in the world before deciding to resume competition after the ACL tear, and they gave their assent. She came in 3rd in the course familiarization race on the same course as her crash. She has raced this course 18 times previously, winning 6 and being on the podium for 6 more.

Lindsey's statement is that she missed her line into the turn by 5 inches, caught the flag with her arm and was rotated by the impact, after which it was all over at those speeds. She and her doctors both assert the knee was not the cause of her error.

There was nothing predictable about the crash, other than that there is always a chance of failure at the ridiculous speeds the competitors achieve.
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Thanks for that info. So many social media “experts” claim her injury was predictable based on the ACL injury. I have read some reports wondering why the gate panel didn’t tear away more easily which might have minimized Vonn’s sideway rotation.
 
I like how many sports have Mixed Team events now. Nice seeing the USA ski jump team today. Finished in 7th place which is awesome and all four athletes are so young. They can only get better. Congratulations to them.
 
A new hero to celebrate is Nick Baumgartner from Michigan. He is a 44 year old snowboard cross competitor. He failed to make the finals but left this quote, “I never had so much fun losing in my life, competing for my country”. He gets it IMHO.
 
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Were the USA team skaters robbed by the French Judge giving the Team from France the gold? What do you think?
 
ConnMotors said:
Were the USA team skaters robbed by the French Judge giving the Team from France the gold? What do you think?
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The argument is that the French judge gave the US team a much lower mark than the rest of the judges. The US team subsequently lost to the French team by the slightest of margins, 1 point.

Honestly, while I greatly appreciate the athleticism and talent of sports like figure skating, gymnastics and diving, I hate the fact that it comes down to judges who are both fallible and occasionally biased. Give me a sport where you win by simply being faster, stronger or score more baskets.
 
I have never been a fan of human judging in any sport. But that is the way of the world until something changes. Video 3D Judging if possible would be an answer.
 
oldude said:
The argument is that the French judge gave the US team a much lower mark than the rest of the judges. The US team subsequently lost to the French team by the slightest of margins, 1 point.

Honestly, while I greatly appreciate the athleticism and talent of sports like figure skating, gymnastics and diving, I hate the fact that it comes down to judges who are both fallible and occasionally biased. Give me a sport where you win by simply being faster, stronger or score more baskets.
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It isn't the first time that judge has been questionable. Why she's still around in the Olympics is mind-boggling.
 
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HCCForever said:
A new hero to celebrate is Nick Baumgartner from Michigan. He is a 44 year old snowboard cross competitor. He failed to make the finals but left this quote, “I never had so much fun losing in my life, competing for my country”. He gets it IMHO.
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Many years ago a friend in England had a neighbor, a young woman who qualified to compete in the Olympics in rhythmic gymnastics. She was hoping to finish in the top two dozen, and was ecstatic when she wound up 23rd.
 
Jackcatscal said:
Michael Scott of The Office said that Franklin was one of our great presidents.
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😁 Along with Presidents Hamilton, Hancock and McArthur.

Come to think of it Broadway could make some musical about Franklin.

Ben already wrote the lyrics for hits like "A Penny saved...", and "Come on lightnin', hit that key".
 
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After a couple of days without medals USA women grab gold and bronze in bobsled. Way to go ladies.
 
EricSD said:
It wasn't just a small amount. It was something like 8 points lower than the French pair. 5 out of the 9 judges had the US team first. They should have won. What a shame.
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Thanks for saying that 5 of 9 had the US winning. The stupid news blurb I saw just said that if they French Judges score was thrown out the US team would have won. Okay but how did the other judges actually score it? How much different from the other judges was the French judge’s score.

Anyway, I thought both pairs were really awesome but I know nothing about scoring figure skating.
 
cwh20 said:
Thanks for saying that 5 of 9 had the US winning. The stupid news blurb I saw just said that if they French Judges score was thrown out the US team would have won. Okay but how did the other judges actually score it? How much different from the other judges was the French judge’s score.

Anyway, I thought both pairs were really awesome but I know nothing about scoring figure skating.
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6 of 9 judges had the 2 pairs within 1 point of each other, including the USA judge who had the French team ahead of the US team by less than a point. The judges from Spain & Finland had the US team winning by 3-4 points. The French judge had the French team winning by a wopping 7.7 points. Had the French judge scored the French team better than the US team by 6 points or less, the US team would have won.
 
Not a good Olympics for NBC. the worst coverage in recent memory. Watching live broadcasts, I have had at least 5 times where nbc cut to commercials just when the USA was about to preform, come back no reshow of our athletes, a few, pairs ice skating, men's big hill ski jumping women's skiing and more. They have also showed an event gotten to the last 4 or five participants and switched to another event without going back to finish the event. I expect more, we and our athletes deserve better.
 
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Watching on the Peacock streaming channel, and it's much better. By the time the broadcast is on, everyone knows who won what, so we do the replay thing, where you can fast forward, replay, etc. The Olympic live broadcasts have always been frustrating with sponsor breaks, human interest stories that most of us knew about anyway, etc. Couple that with time changes, replay is the way to go...
 
Two awesome comebacks today. Congratulations to the USA Women’s Hockey Team on wining Gold with a 2-1 overtime victory over Canada. Then Alysa Liu moved up from third place to Gold in Women’s Figure Skating. Just an awesome afternoon at the Winter Olympics.
 
No mention of Sarah Nurse on the losing Canadian side in hockey today? I do remember her from the last time around but I still got a nice chuckle out of it.
 
I had the pleasure of watching both Kristin O'Neal and Rory Guilday for 4 years while they were playing at Cornell. Congrats to both of them for being medal winners in the Olympics
 
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