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nelsonmuntz said:
IF we are getting invited to the Big 12, there will be a very large "buy in". We aren't getting $25 to $30 million in year one (or year two or year five for that matter), and probably won't get a full share until the next TV contract. I expect any revenue bump to be very modest. The Big 12 doesn't have to pay us more.
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Still a better situation though. Easier to sell tickets to home games with Texas/Oklahoma/Baylor/WVU than Northwest Catholic/Xavier/Weaver/Masuk... I mean Tulane/Tulsa/SMU/Buffalo (are they in our league, yet? If not, sign 'em up!).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
IF we are getting invited to the Big 12, there will be a very large "buy in". We aren't getting $25 to $30 million in year one (or year two or year five for that matter), and probably won't get a full share until the next TV contract. I expect any revenue bump to be very modest. The Big 12 doesn't have to pay us more.
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Even with a step-wise buy-in, we'd still be in a better financial position than the slave wages AAC. Aspire to your handle: #BegHarder
 
HuskyHawk said:
The Big Ten played with 11 for a long time. 15 is tricky, but not impossible. 15 is relatively more easy for the ACC, since they are unbalanced in all sports but football. It would give them 16 for everything else.

That said, I don't see it. I am feeling pretty hopeful about the Big XII right now and I'm just worried about a massive let-down like we had with the Louisville decision.
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Are conferences allowed to have a CCG with an odd number of teams in divisions? Remember, the ACC allegedly was looking into 3 divisions of 5 - or at least some surmised - but they were shot down by the B1G's amendment.
 
If B12 opening becomes questionable, should UConn refocus on the ACC? (Playing BC soon in football. Diaco has improved football team significantly from the PP era.) Or just wait it out in AAC with the hope B10 may call someday.
 
UConn takes the first hard P5 offer on the table. There is no waiting it out in the AAC. Staying in the AAC is like a cancer patient forgoing cancer treatment in the hopes some new improved cancer treatment gets discovered in the future. By the time the treatment is discovered he'll likely be dead.

Any P5 offer is better than where we are now and there is no assurance a future P5 offer will come. Besides UConn can always work toward an alternate P5 offer from within an existing P5 conference.
 
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LoyalFanCT said:
If B12 opening becomes questionable, should UConn refocus on the ACC? (Playing BC soon in football. Diaco has improved football team significantly from the PP era.) Or just wait it out in AAC with the hope B10 may call someday.
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If I'm on fire should I let my fiance put me out or wait for the fire department to show up?
 
There are people out there -- not me -- who think UConn should stay in the AAC until B10 calls. They don't see the AAC conference as a purgatory. Many are so angry at ACC for taking Louisville they don't want UConn to join, even if asked. And plenty of fans in the B12 would like to see other schools beside UConn get priority for an opening. So it is a legitimate question. UConn does not want to become another Rutgers or BC -- a college in the wrong conference for what they offer.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
There are people out there -- not me -- who think UConn should stay in the AAC until B10 calls. They don't see the AAC conference as a purgatory. Many are so angry at ACC for taking Louisville they don't want UConn to join, even if asked. And plenty of fans in the B12 would like to see other schools beside UConn get priority for an opening. So it is a legitimate question. UConn does not want to become another Rutgers or BC -- a college in the wrong conference for what they offer.
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UConn fans who feel this way are allowing their emotions to cloud the reality. I hate the ACC for what they did to UConn but they are still a better option than the AAC. Money fuels college sports programs...the AAC pays $2 million the ACC pays $22 million. The cards are stacked against the teams in the G5, not just in money but in access. If you doubt this watch what happens in the NCAA tournament selection show this year or the NCAA NY6 football games next year. The G5 teams will get cut out for less deserving P5 programs.
FYI what the fans want is irrelevant. If the Big12 expands they will take the teams that bring them the most financial value. Only the ACC selects teams based on a popularity contest. When the NE sold out to the ACC and Big10 and did not stand together they sold their fans out for money. Nothing has changed...
 
Texas A&M, Missouri, Colorado, Nebraska have all managed to leave the B12. UConn could too, if a B1G opportunity presented itself.
 
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How many more years do we collect extra revenue for the teams that left the big east? And what's the real payout. Would we still have tier 2 rights to sell to SNY?
dwalks93 said:
...the AAC pays $2 million the ACC pays $22 million. .
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I understand UConn wants P5 money.
I understand UConn wants P5 respect.
I understand (at least this seems to be the case) most UConn fans hate the ACC, and not without good reason.

Yet are not most of your traditional rivals in New England and the Eastern seaboard? Rutgers and Maryland are gone (but can be scheduled non-conference). I know at present the ACC is not calling, and if they did it would be a bitter pill to swallow (yet you would swallow it!). But is that not where UConn actually belongs? Academically? Geographically?

Traditional rivalries still matter. Re: football…

UM v OSU (started 1897) 100+ games
OU v OSU (started 1904) 100+ games
USC v UCLA (started 1929) 80+ games
Army v Navy (started 1890) 100+ games

Other than cashing big checks and P5 status, what in the world does UConn have in common with Texas? Oklahoma? Baylor? Etc.

And if you jump conferences often enough the word ‘carpetbagger’ will come to mind.

Will the B1G or ACC offer if it is apparent you are simply looking for the largest check available, status, and not a true affiliation.

I’m not trying to piss anyone off. I am simply asking a question.
 
Orkney said:
I understand UConn wants P5 money.
I understand UConn wants P5 respect.
I understand (at least this seems to be the case) most UConn fans hate the ACC, and not without good reason.

Yet are not most of your traditional rivals in New England and the Eastern seaboard? Rutgers and Maryland are gone (but can be scheduled non-conference). I know at present the ACC is not calling, and if they did it would be a bitter pill to swallow (yet you would swallow it!). But is that not where UConn actually belongs? Academically? Geographically?

Traditional rivalries still matter. Re: football…

UM v OSU (started 1897) 100+ games
OU v OSU (started 1904) 100+ games
USC v UCLA (started 1929) 80+ games
Army v Navy (started 1890) 100+ games

Other than cashing big checks and P5 status, what in the world does UConn have in common with Texas? Oklahoma? Baylor? Etc.

And if you jump conferences often enough the word ‘carpetbagger’ will come to mind.

Will the B1G or ACC offer if it is apparent you are simply looking for the largest check available, status, and not a true affiliation.

I’m not trying to piss anyone off. I am simply asking a question.
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In a perfect world..yes UConn belongs in the ACC...that's also where Rutgers and Maryland belong too. But P-5 CR moves (and Blumenthal) have dictated UConn's present position in the American. If the B-12 offer's a spot to UConn, they need to take it and run. The ACC has already had a shot 3x and they passed..that ship has long since sailed!
 
Orkney said:
I understand UConn wants P5 money.
I understand UConn wants P5 respect.
I understand (at least this seems to be the case) most UConn fans hate the ACC, and not without good reason.

Yet are not most of your traditional rivals in New England and the Eastern seaboard? Rutgers and Maryland are gone (but can be scheduled non-conference). I know at present the ACC is not calling, and if they did it would be a bitter pill to swallow (yet you would swallow it!). But is that not where UConn actually belongs? Academically? Geographically?

Traditional rivalries still matter. Re: football…

UM v OSU (started 1897) 100+ games
OU v OSU (started 1904) 100+ games
USC v UCLA (started 1929) 80+ games
Army v Navy (started 1890) 100+ games

Other than cashing big checks and P5 status, what in the world does UConn have in common with Texas? Oklahoma? Baylor? Etc.

And if you jump conferences often enough the word ‘carpetbagger’ will come to mind.

Will the B1G or ACC offer if it is apparent you are simply looking for the largest check available, status, and not a true affiliation.

I’m not trying to piss anyone off. I am simply asking a question.
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Troll Alert....

Carpetbagger??? Why would UConn cares what others call us? So UConn should just sit on the sideline and die since it did not get invited to the ACC? P5 is life and death for UConn's athletic future. UConn did not ask for this but this is the world we are in now.

Seriously....you are trying to piss people off
 
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dwalks93 said:
UConn takes the first hard P5 offer on the table. UConn can always work toward an alternate P5 offer from within an existing P5 conference.
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My how times and attitudes have changed. I recall that this kind of thinking, ie ...working toward another league offer from within an existing league... could have generated lots of animosity and even a lawsuit toward a school acting in this manner. But... it does sort of put things now in its proper perspective as to the self interests that all schools must operate under.
 
Orkney said:
And if you jump conferences often enough the word ‘carpetbagger’ will come to mind.
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In the world of conference realignment where money trumps all, some schools get blackballed while others who a) provide nothing and/or b) who actions would make the mob blush, I would call UConn a survivor if we make it into a P5/4 conference.
 
Yawkey Way said:
My how times and attitudes have changed. I recall that this kind of thinking, ie ...working toward another league offer from within an existing league... could have generated lots of animosity and even a lawsuit toward a school acting in this manner. But... it does sort of put things now in its proper perspective as to the self interests that all schools must operate under.
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At least UConn did not to blackball their long-time conference mates from getting into a conference to protect a private, religious college's self-inflated view of being the 'only' major university of New England, which by the way, is not a state.
 
Yawkey Way said:
My how times and attitudes have changed. I recall that this kind of thinking, ie ...working toward another league offer from within an existing league... could have generated lots of animosity and even a lawsuit toward a school acting in this manner. But... it does sort of put things now in its proper perspective as to the self interests that all schools must operate under.
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A very weak attempt. Are you ill?

Why is BC so afraid of UConn.

We all know.
 
Yawkey Way said:
My how times and attitudes have changed. I recall that this kind of thinking, ie ...working toward another league offer from within an existing league... could have generated lots of animosity and even a lawsuit toward a school acting in this manner. But... it does sort of put things now in its proper perspective as to the self interests that all schools must operate under.
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Yes Yawkey Way, times have indeed changed:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-yawkey-way/5onMIw3vE6cNAyeZXs9NAN/story.html

Please refer to my signature (below) if you need further clarification.
 
Yawkey Way said:
My how times and attitudes have changed. I recall that this kind of thinking, ie ...working toward another league offer from within an existing league... could have generated lots of animosity and even a lawsuit toward a school acting in this manner. But... it does sort of put things now in its proper perspective as to the self interests that all schools must operate under.
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Why don't you just go enjoy your 0-fer seasons and take the snide comments to your own board. That's right, no one is there.
 
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Thanks for the mostly kind feedback. Knew I wasn't going to get a bunch of 'likes' for asking.
 
Yawkey Way said:
My how times and attitudes have changed. I recall that this kind of thinking, ie ...working toward another league offer from within an existing league... could have generated lots of animosity and even a lawsuit toward a school acting in this manner. But... it does sort of put things now in its proper perspective as to the self interests that all schools must operate under.
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There's a difference between being first off the boat (and initiating the Big Bang that caused all of this) and last off the boat.
 
upstater said:
I don't see the question. Is the question, would UConn join the ACC? Of course.
If the question is, which conference would UConn prefer to join, then the answer is:

1. B1G
2. ACC
3. B12
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Okay, then the question is why not the ACC over the B1G, given the geographic and historic 'fit'? (Obviously B12 would be third.) Is it simply a matter of animosity regarding previous treatment by ACC member schools? That would be reason enough. Or is it the general consensus UConn - given it's location, size, academics, etc., works better in the B1G? (I'm trying to be real delicate about how I ask these questions. This is a great board and really enjoy reading it. Certainly not trying to aggravate readers.)
 
Orkney said:
I understand UConn wants P5 money.
I understand UConn wants P5 respect.
I understand (at least this seems to be the case) most UConn fans hate the ACC, and not without good reason.

Yet are not most of your traditional rivals in New England and the Eastern seaboard? Rutgers and Maryland are gone (but can be scheduled non-conference). I know at present the ACC is not calling, and if they did it would be a bitter pill to swallow (yet you would swallow it!). But is that not where UConn actually belongs? Academically? Geographically?

Traditional rivalries still matter. Re: football…

UM v OSU (started 1897) 100+ games
OU v OSU (started 1904) 100+ games
USC v UCLA (started 1929) 80+ games
Army v Navy (started 1890) 100+ games

Other than cashing big checks and P5 status, what in the world does UConn have in common with Texas? Oklahoma? Baylor? Etc.

And if you jump conferences often enough the word ‘carpetbagger’ will come to mind.

Will the B1G or ACC offer if it is apparent you are simply looking for the largest check available, status, and not a true affiliation.

I’m not trying to piss anyone off. I am simply asking a question.
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We wanted an affiliation with the ACC. Then we realized that the ACC was riven by politics and cultural divisions; that the divisions between public/private, football/basketball, southern/northern all seemed to work against UConn, such that a significant number of ACC schools were hostile to us. In other words, the ACC has demonstrated that they don't desire a true affiliation, and that if they came back to offer us a spot, it would be for the money we bring a potential ACCN. They would be simply looking for the largest check available.

Now, you don't have to love all the people you do business deals with, and we could do a deal with the ACC. But we could be just as happy doing a deal with the B12.
 
Orkney said:
Okay, then the question is why not the ACC over the B1G, given the geographic and historic 'fit'? (Obviously B12 would be third.) Is it simply a matter of animosity regarding previous treatment by ACC member schools? That would be reason enough. Or is it the general consensus UConn - given it's location, size, academics, etc., works better in the B1G? (I'm trying to be real delicate about how I ask these questions. This is a great board and really enjoy reading it. Certainly not trying to aggravate readers.)
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Because the B1G is the biggest player in the game. They're the most stable. They're the number one conference in each state in their footprint. All schools are public land-grants, minus Northwestern. There's a few of my reasons.
 
Orkney said:
Okay, then the question is why not the ACC over the B1G, given the geographic and historic 'fit'? (Obviously B12 would be third.) Is it simply a matter of animosity regarding previous treatment by ACC member schools? That would be reason enough. Or is it the general consensus UConn - given it's location, size, academics, etc., works better in the B1G? (I'm trying to be real delicate about how I ask these questions. This is a great board and really enjoy reading it. Certainly not trying to aggravate readers.)
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Culturally, UConn is more similar, at the moment, to the ACC public schools; but its future may be more like a B1G school -- at least it seems to aspire toward that model. UConn is expanding its student count and building its research. The B1G is not just an athletic conference, it promotes academic cooperation and joint research.

Moreover, with the ACC moving west to Louisville and Notre Dame, after its earlier move south, it is at least as far flung and distant from UConn as the B1G.

Nor is the history with ACC schools so long that it can't be reproduced with new rivals. UConn joined Big East in basketball in 1979 and in football in 2003; and the ACC has only a few of those teams -- Syracuse and Pitt primarily. It's not like we would be losing 100-year rivalries.
 
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