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Edey is enormous and pushed everybody around. The illegal screen thing is concerning however you could call it on almost every offensive set in college basketball and be right.
Why Samson Johnson is primed for breakout year
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SJ played ~16 mins a game last season, averaging 5.4pts, 2.8 Reb, ~1 block, with 72.5% FG pct - let's say he gets 24 min a game and improves even 10% that gives us 9pts, 4.5 Reb which I see as doable with some games getting 12pts and 10 rebs even. With Reed Jr in the mix I would be more concerned with the Reed + Johnson stats.
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My only contribution to this silly Edey debate - I logged how Edey got all of his points that game. He had 5 points in Samson’s short minutes. By the way, Samson had 4 points on Edey in those same minutes by utilizing his speed and athleticism to get above the rim before the defense could respond
It’s no secret or surprise that Samson needs to cut down on fouls (especially offensive) and become stronger so he’s a better rebounder and defender without fouling
It also should be no secret or surprise that he will improve. In his first year, he was unplayable. In his second year, he started the first game before getting injured. In his third year, he was the first big off the bench for one of the most dominant teams CBB has ever seen
Why shouldn’t we assume that the same system which gave him that development, will give him more going into year 4? And if it doesn’t (highly unlikely), we already know that his floor is a backup C who impacts the game for winning teams. And our other C has already been a starter at the P5 level. What’s the concern?
It’s no secret or surprise that Samson needs to cut down on fouls (especially offensive) and become stronger so he’s a better rebounder and defender without fouling
It also should be no secret or surprise that he will improve. In his first year, he was unplayable. In his second year, he started the first game before getting injured. In his third year, he was the first big off the bench for one of the most dominant teams CBB has ever seen
Why shouldn’t we assume that the same system which gave him that development, will give him more going into year 4? And if it doesn’t (highly unlikely), we already know that his floor is a backup C who impacts the game for winning teams. And our other C has already been a starter at the P5 level. What’s the concern?
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Why all the hate for Tarris? Did he sleep with this guy’s girlfriend?
Well, this is where the coaching comes in… Take a page from Mora
throw flags in practice LOL Call fouls,,, help this young man out.Unlike last year, we need to keep Samson on the floor - he can’t pick up a quick 2 fouls…
That is one thing that didn’t get enough attention last year - was about Clingan was his ability to play D without fouling… That was HUGELY important to our success last year.
I remember during the Illinois game where this dude made unbelievable dunk - Clingon stepped aside and let him have his moment. He smiled after dunk like “dang that was a good dunk” LOL
Illiniois team celebrated dunk, the announcers guffawed about the dunk. We turned around and ran of 30 straight points - Clingan stayed in the floor In no foul trouble..
This is coaching issue which I’m sure they are working on now.
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yikes. our entire starting lineup averaged over 4.5 rpg last year
if samson is our starting C then i dont like our chances of 3peating unless he makes a hilton-esque jump as a senior
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agree 100%. When it comes to foul trouble, some guys eventually figure it out, some guys never do. I hope SJ is in the former class.Well, this is where the coaching comes in… Take a page from Mora
Unlike last year, we need to keep Samson on the floor - he can’t pick up a quick 2 fouls…
That is one thing that didn’t get enough attention last year - was about Clingan was his ability to play D without fouling… That was HUGELY important to our success last year.
I remember during the Illinois game where this dude made unbelievable dunk - Clingon stepped aside and let him have his moment. He smiled after dunk like “dang that was a good dunk” LOL
Illiniois team celebrated dunk, the announcers guffawed about the dunk. We turned around and ran of 30 straight points - Clingan stayed in the floor In no foul trouble..
This is coaching issue which I’m sure they are working on now.
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Tarris was signed as a PF remember? They had Hunter Dickenson still. Played his entire Frosh as a PF. Then Dickenson to Kansas means Tarris played the 5 finally, and when their guard was not allowed on road games Tarris was "the guy" for the offense and those teams knew it. Tarris will hit a little differently here.
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Really? No wonder why their offense wasn't good.
He was definitely a center coming out of high school. Reed didn't start his freshman year (2022-2023) and Dickinson averaged 32.8 minutes a game and Reed only 12.6. So I don't know how much they were on the court together as a C/PF combo.
In 2023-2024 Reed averaged the 5th most minutes on the team, the 5th most shots put up, the 5th most points (far behind McDaniel and Nkamhoua) but was their leading rebounder (0.1 per game more than their PF Nkamhoua). So he was never "the guy" for their offense. Not sure why you're saying that.
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They played together for 250 of Reed's 703 possessions that year, so about 1/3 of the time. He's definitely a C though and that's the only spot he'll play this year for UConnReally? No wonder why their offense wasn't good.
He was definitely a center coming out of high school. Reed didn't start his freshman year (2022-2023) and Dickinson averaged 32.8 minutes a game and Reed only 12.6. So I don't know how much they were on the court together as a C/PF combo.
In 2023-2024 Reed averaged the 5th most minutes on the team, the 5th most shots put up, the 5th most points (far behind McDaniel and Nkamhoua) but was their leading rebounder (0.1 per game more than their PF Nkamhoua). So he was never "the guy" for their offense. Not sure why you're saying that.
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Remember a comment from cam to DC. After DC picked up a fowl cam said we need u on the court. 2 points doesn’t matter but having u sit for 10 min does.Well, this is where the coaching comes in… Take a page from Mora
Unlike last year, we need to keep Samson on the floor - he can’t pick up a quick 2 fouls…
That is one thing that didn’t get enough attention last year - was about Clingan was his ability to play D without fouling… That was HUGELY important to our success last year.
I remember during the Illinois game where this dude made unbelievable dunk - Clingon stepped aside and let him have his moment. He smiled after dunk like “dang that was a good dunk” LOL
Illiniois team celebrated dunk, the announcers guffawed about the dunk. We turned around and ran of 30 straight points - Clingan stayed in the floor In no foul trouble..
This is coaching issue which I’m sure they are working on now.
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I'm looking for Danny to do something innovative and special with them, beyond the simple platoon. Not sure what it will be - we may see some early version of the twin towers against the cupcakes just to see if it has legs. Luke will find something in Europe that makes sense...
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Absolutely not. There's already not enough minutes for Karaban, Stewart and Abraham at the 4 spot, there's no need to plug in a worse option instead of those guys
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Maybe but I would have to doubt it. If you’re not going to do it with DC and Sanogo I’m not sure why they would with these 2. Too many other guys to create different lineups to even try but I guess you never know.
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During one game Dan Hurley could be heard clearly telling SJ to set screens and and not worry if they were illegal. Sometimes you trade a foul for momentum or other reasons. I think we will see less fouls this season if SJ is starting.
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McDaniel was not allowed on road games for a good stretch. In those road games minus McDaniel, Tarris was the offense but teams knew anyway. Just lookup McDaniel game log and you will see two months of only home games.Really? No wonder why their offense wasn't good.
He was definitely a center coming out of high school. Reed didn't start his freshman year (2022-2023) and Dickinson averaged 32.8 minutes a game and Reed only 12.6. So I don't know how much they were on the court together as a C/PF combo.
In 2023-2024 Reed averaged the 5th most minutes on the team, the 5th most shots put up, the 5th most points (far behind McDaniel and Nkamhoua) but was their leading rebounder (0.1 per game more than their PF Nkamhoua). So he was never "the guy" for their offense. Not sure why you're saying that.
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DOUBLE BIGS!!! How exciting, where have I heard that before??(I really liked the idea, always pissed we never tried it)
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I still don't get the argument. McDaniel missed a total of only 6 games out of 32.
Road Games McDaniel missed:
1. Maryland: Reed was 3-5 from the field, 2-2 from the FT line, for 8 points in 19 minutes. Only had 3 fouls so not sure why he only played 19 minutes.
2. Purdue: 3-8 from the field, 0-1 FT, for 6 points in 26 minutes. Did have 10 rebounds and fouled out. Obviously against Edey.
3. Michigan State: 2-4 from the field (1-1 from three), 0-4 FT, for 5 points in 33 minutes. Had 9 rebounds and only 1 foul.
4. Nebraska: 3-9 from the field, 3-3 FT, for 9 points in 30 minutes. Had 9 rebounds and 2 fouls.
5. Illinois: 5-14 from the field, 3-5 FT, for 13 points in 32 minutes. He put up 5 more shots than the next highest player so this seems to be the game that supports your assertion.
6. Northwestern: 4-11 from the field, 5-9 FT, for a total of 13 points in 38 minutes. He had the most shots of any player on Michigan.
So the Illinois and Northwestern games were the 2 he was heavily involved offensively.
I don't see how only 2 games would shape your opinion. Here is his game logs. Seemed to be heavily involved offensively a handful of times.
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I didn't watch more than a game or two of Michigan's last season so I will defer to you even though your argument seems suspect based on the statistics. Am I missing something?
I expect Reed to rebound well and be a complimentary player on offense this season. He definitely won't have to carry the load.
Jeez, so many negative people out there. Give Hurley and the coaching staff some credit. A lot of the fouls Johnson commits are easily fixable. He has abilities that you cannot teach. He is a freakish athlete. He has a motor that doesn't stop. I firmly believe if he plays more like Igohdaro, he's someone that could be a lottery pick. He has so much ability and if his skills have improved as this story has eluded to and if he is able to improve his positioning and has learned some better habits the sky is the limit for this kid. I know it's a lot of if's but I think he can do it.
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I call it 3. The injury year was a wash. And it's hard to improve until you really start playing... in my mind he's kind of like a 2nd-semester sophomore at this point in experience, not a senior.
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so why hasn't he fixed them yet if they're so easily fixable? He's had 3 years to do so....or maybe it's not so easy to fix.
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Who couldve guessed that a thread titled "samson johnson primed for breakout year" would turn out like this
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Not really a reasonable comparison. Johnson is from Togo. He likely didn't start playing the game with decent coaching until he got to prep school. He's been improving. He has a good feel for pick n roll. I'm excited to see what he can do this year. Spencer was a 5th year player who has probably played all his life.
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Does SJ have a 5th year of eligibility?
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Johnson in 2023-24
16.1 min/game
3.0 fouls/game
He fouled out of 3 total games last season: St. Johns, Marquette, Purdue.
Let's give him a bit of a break that he will work hard to reduce fouls and let's give the coaching staff a break that they can help.
16.1 min/game
3.0 fouls/game
He fouled out of 3 total games last season: St. Johns, Marquette, Purdue.
Let's give him a bit of a break that he will work hard to reduce fouls and let's give the coaching staff a break that they can help.
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