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Bunch of hipsters. "Oh, rugby doesn't require talent." Any and every sport does at top tiers.
 
Butch said:
Bunch of hipsters. "Oh, rugby doesn't require talent." Any and every sport does at top tiers.
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Rugby might just be worse than lacrosse.
 
Waquoit said:
Rugby might just be worse than lacrosse.
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I've been around people who've played both. Heck, Iron Maiden even appreciate rugby. Their manager uses his lavish income and global passport to go to rugby World Cups. Those have games way more entertaining than soccer WCs.
 
Butch said:
I've been around people who've played both. Heck, Iron Maiden even appreciate rugby. Their manager uses his lavish income and global passport to go to rugby World Cups. Those have games way more entertaining than soccer WCs.
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In your opinion.
 
What's up with the hooliganism in soccer? Heard there was yet again another English premier problem with fans.
 
John said:
What's up with the hooliganism in soccer? Heard there was yet again another English premier problem with fans.
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They hate America.
 
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John said:
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Hooligans are basically rednecks.

As someone quoted, "Rugby is a ruffian's sport for gentlemen and soccer is a gentleman's sport for ruffians." Redneck hipsters.
 
Waquoit said:
The Super League fiasco was spearheaded by Americans.
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Last I checked, the four remaining teams aren't owned by Americans but Europeans and don't have fans rioting. Inter Milan has Chinese owners.

Unless someone puts a billion into Norwich City, I think it's time to accept promotion and relegation is outdated. The clubs that were meant to be the most successful became self evident through the pyramid structure.
 
Butch said:
Last I checked, the four remaining teams aren't owned by Americans but Europeans and don't have fans rioting. Inter Milan has Chinese owners.

Unless someone puts a billion into Norwich City, I think it's time to accept promotion and relegation is outdated. The clubs that were meant to be the most successful became self evident through the pyramid structure.
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Tell that to Leicester City.
 
ZooCougar said:
Tell that to Leicester City.
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Oh, and Blackburn Rovers.

I was going to make a point of those 2 "clubs" but thought common sense would prevail, so thank you for feeling so motivated to correct my post.
 
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Butch said:
Oh, and Blackburn Rovers.

I was going to make a point of those 2 "clubs" but thought common sense would prevail, so thank you for feeling so motivated to correct my post.
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I don’t think you understand the purpose behind promotion and relegation.
 
Butch said:
Last I checked, the four remaining teams aren't owned by Americans but Europeans and don't have fans rioting. Inter Milan has Chinese owners.
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You don't know what spearhead means, do you?
 
Waquoit said:
You don't know what spearhead means, do you?
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The president is the dude from Real Madrid and only one VP was American.

I understand the purpose of promotion and relegation. This is seriously kindergarten talk. Maybe promotion and relegation served their purposes? Teams from the largest cities and make the most money won out. By far. Freaking Norwich City doesn't have a global fanbase. All of the 12 Super League teams do. Duh. Do any of you have any experience with corporate business? Profits trump culture. Europeans are now open to the franchise model being more profitable, because it is. It's a freaking monopoly on any sport. That's why American teams are so valuable. You guys are also definitely hipsters.
 
I hope you hipsters don't think there's relegation/promotion in every sport in Europe. Definitely not much of that in hockey or basketball, if I am correct.
 
Butch said:
The president is the dude from Real Madrid and only one VP was American.

I understand the purpose of promotion and relegation. This is seriously kindergarten talk. Maybe promotion and relegation served their purposes? Teams from the largest cities and make the most money won out. By far. Freaking Norwich City doesn't have a global fanbase. All of the 12 Super League teams do. Duh. Do any of you have any experience with corporate business? Profits trump culture. Europeans are now open to the franchise model being more profitable, because it is. It's a freaking monopoly on any sport. That's why American teams are so valuable. You guys are also definitely hipsters.
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what is the purpose of promotion and relegation?

if Europeans were open to the franchise model then they wouldn’t have rioted over the super league. These clubs are already the most valuable without the franchise model.
 
Butch said:
I hope you hipsters don't think there's relegation/promotion in every sport in Europe. Definitely not much of that in hockey or basketball, if I am correct.
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Well, if you understood why promotion and relegation exists then you would understand why hockey Europe doesn’t have or need it.
 
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ZooCougar said:
what is the purpose of promotion and relegation?

if Europeans were open to the franchise model then they wouldn’t have rioted over the super league. These clubs are already the most valuable without the franchise model.
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The European elite are. Check Forbes top 50 most valuable franchises in the world. Only 7 would be Super League teams, when you are saying everyone plays soccer and not hockey. The Maple Leafs are ahead of most European soccer teams on that list.

People need more meaningful hobbies, myself included. The heat that results from a black hole is hotter than our sun.
 
Butch said:
The European elite are. Check Forbes top 50 most valuable franchises in the world. Only 7 would be Super League teams, when you are saying everyone plays soccer and not hockey. The Maple Leafs are ahead of most European soccer teams on that list.

People need more meaningful hobbies, myself included. The heat that results from a black hole is hotter than our sun.
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What is the purpose of pro/rel?
 
Chuck said:
I grew up playing (through high school), but never watching other than a Cosmos game or two when I was very young. It was hard to watch in the 80s/90s. Here are a few things I love/don't love.

What I like/love:
  • Simplicity of the game. There is a ton going on, but in the end, it's a bunch of guys trying to kick a ball into a goal.
  • It's a team sport in every sense, but it also allows for beautiful individual play. When you see that player, they're just different. They move different than everyone else, the ball sounds different off their foot.
  • Diversity of body type: Anyone can play. You can have tiny freaks and giant freaks. And everything in between.
  • Access: It costs nothing to play. It's even cheaper than basketball because you don't need a hoop. Sure, rich kids get nicer stuff and probably more consistent training, but there is a competitive team for any kid. Just show up with a pair of cleats that you can get cheap, cheap shin guards, and you're good to go. My kids play for a small town club and They've smoked some teams where the parents pay thousands. They've also been smoked by teams that show up with a hodge podge of used uniforms. We can argue over our "pay to play" system, but any kid can find a competitive club.
  • Relegation and promotion. Would love to see it in some US leagues. Would even be great for college sports (BC would be relegated to League Two).
  • New tv access. I love that there are games on most weekend mornings. My son and I started watching when he was little and would wake up early. Now I watch during morning workouts.
Things I don't love:
  • The diving.
  • Excessive time wasting.
  • Racism. But I think that is just a reflection of the countries where the players come from and the team's play. Still scary to see sometimes.
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Pretty good summary. Before I give my thoughts, please note we have season tickets for UCONN football, and men’s and women’s basketball. Ok here goes:
Men’s basketball and football are no longer played by “normal” sized people. What was UCONN’s BB front line this year- I think they average 6’ 10” this year. How many. People that size do you see walking around your town. Do you realize Michael Jordan was 6’6? Also BB has become football in shorts. Naismith is turning over in his grave.
How about football- I saw a stat somewhere that college linemen are something like 50 pounds more that 20 years ago. I used to see Mike Ditka [yes I know he was not a lineman] on flights out of Hartford. Other than a huge neck, not a huge man. I also think football has a serious problem unless they figure out something re concussions.

Soccer can be played by normal sized people. Because of the size of the field, there are many fewer stoppages for fouls than in basketball. Yes I hate the diving in soccer, but we regularly see the same acting in BB with the proliferation of players falling over to draw a charge.
 
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Butch said:
People love the American approach to sports nowadays.
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And that love manifested itself by the overwhelming support the ESL received and still continues to receive. You are talking out of your ass.
 
Watch the highlights but especially the last goal of Belgium vs Japan in the last World Cup; you’ll see the most beautiful counter attack goal ever in stoppage time. You’ll be a soccer (football) fan after that!
 
Soccer only requires a ball and sometimes anything crumpled into something resembling a ball will do. This is why it's the global game. Pro/rel is a direct result of this fact. Every village, hamlet, and workcamp had an amatuer team. These teams played neighboring villages, hamlets, and workcamp. At some point, the English FA became organized enough that divisions were formed, players were paid real wages and the the football ladder was established.

Why is the Super Bowl on a Sunday? Why is March mad? Tradition and eventually it became part of the culture. No one club or group of clubs ever gained enough power to change it.

On this side of the pond, American football was grabbed by a bunch of rich men who could afford to field professional teams very early on. That investment led to a closed NFL.

The difference between slow and fast cooking during the early years of the sport.
 
FWIW, 2 of the 3 major national hockey leagues in Europe (Sweden and Germany) have promotion/relegation. Finland does not have hard rel/pro but allows for teams to apply to move based on finances.
KHL is an international league so I didn't consider them.
 
The KHL is essentially a "super league". Jokerit left their domestic circuit to join, as well as others.
 
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