Why do top recruits want to play for Jon Scheyer?

[Drame]

I heard that is the most beautiful campus in the country. Isnt it in Malibu?

Pepperdine is in a beautiful location but the campus design and architecture is regular. Not special.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

True but its a bad comparison because Dan Hurley had a proven track record of success at two other schools. Scheyer is wet behind the ears. Im judging him on the now. He could turn out to be great but hes learning on the. job and Dook really isnt the place to do that. Didnt work out for Ollie in the long run and he was easily more successful from jump.

The campus is breathtakingly beautiful, the facilities are terrific, I mean any schmuck could coach and recruit the best kids to come to Duke, and come across as some kind of coaching genius.

 

[87Xfer]

True but its a bad comparison because Dan Hurley had a proven track record of success at two other schools. Scheyer is wet behind the ears. Im judging him on the now. He could turn out to be great but hes learning on the. job and Dook really isnt the place to do that. Didnt work out for Ollie in the long run and he was easily more successful from jump.

My comment wasn't a comparison of coaches.

 

[uconnfan68]

I used to work in a sales job selling IT to colleges so I’ve been to hundreds. It’s either USD or Pepperdine imo.

Pepperdine by far. USD is too far from the ocean.

 

[UConnJim]

If you are a top recruit and clear NBA player like Flagg, Castle, Filipowski,... NIL should not make a difference where you go. Here's the math:

#4 draft pick salary for 3 years = $23.1 million
#10 draft pick salary for 3 years = $13.9 million

difference = $9.2 million over 3 years. And, the real payday is the next contract.

For 1 or 2 year players, player development has to be your #1 priority over NIL.

For guys like Timberlake who don't have an NBA future and have 1 year to play, it makes sense to grab a bag.

 

[Kolumbo]

Puke: where you can be 5-3 with back to back losses to Arkansas and Ga Tech, where you have zero quality wins, including one over an even sheetier Michigan State, and STILL ranked! WTF?!!

This will all pass because even the K effect will be gone faster than a toupee in a carolina hurricane.

 

[87Xfer]

Dan changed the Xs and Os last year. Remember, Hurley had never coached at this level until he came to UConn. It was natural to expect he would need some seasoning and learning on the job. He is not the same guy he was a couple of seasons ago. He has blended his fire and passion with a slightly more tempered approach and augmented his defense with a smart and sophisticated offense. He has become one of the best coaches in the country.

Regardless, the Boneyard will never be long on patience and reactionary takes. So it goes.

Agreed, and thanks for reinforcing my point.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

The campus is breathtakingly beautiful, the facilities are terrific, I mean any schmuck could coach and recruit the best kids to come to Duke, and come across as some kind of coaching genius.

On what planet is Duke’s campus “breathtakingly beautiful”? It’s literally an attempt to replicate a campus in the northeast, by their own admission. The whole place is fugazi.

 

[rman726]

Winning is secondary to many 5* recruits. Exposure and $. There's a machine behind Duke that convinces kids that the program is the best place to develop for the league. Blame the adults in the room.

I think most of them assume they will win though. They may look at the current team struggling, but assume that they will win with their other 3 McDonalds All-Americans commitments.

 

[MDHuskFan]

espn boosted brand + Dolla dolla bills = recruiting success

 

[CONN78SEJ]

On what planet is Duke’s campus “breathtakingly beautiful”? It’s literally an attempt to replicate a campus in the northeast, by their own admission. The whole place is fugazi.

I’d attach more pictures but can only post two. Show me another ACC or SEC or northeast school that has architecture like this, AND recruits the cream of the crop EVERY year. Ok Big Ernie Crack? I guess they were trying to outdo northeast schools when they started building it in 1930. Maybe they were trying to outdo Rome?

 

[jayfromfla]

I don’t care how beautiful the campus is. The way the administration threw the. Whole la cross team under the bus based on the word of a prostitute, no child of mine would be allowed to take a scholarship there

 

[Huskygrad88]

I don’t get it. He has had an unbelievably talented group of players and done nothing to develop their skills, and his teams have been an incredible disappointment. How does a team made up of 10 players with pro potential lose to an awful Georgia Tech team? UMass Lowell beat Georgia Tech.

Really, after one year and 8 games. Imagine if UConn had a coach who only made the tournament 2 x in his first 4 years and did not win a tournament game until year 5. In year 5 he still did not win the big east. We should have recognized at that point we were never going to win with that coach.

 

[NJHoops]

Really, after one year and 8 games. Imagine if UConn had a coach who only made the tournament 2 x in his first 4 years and did not win a tournament game until year 5. In year 5 he still did not win the big east. We should have recognized at that point we were never going to win with that coach.

Because the programs were definitely in the same spot…

I’m not even that down on Scheyer and am still recovering from years of actively rooting for Duke, but you know that isn’t a great take.

Regardless, I am interested in seeing how play out for Scheyer and Neptune, who find themselves in similar spots. Jay Wright is still heavily involved and around that Villanova program, moreso than Krzyzewski at Duke, I think, which can definitely cause its own challenges.

 

[jibsey]

It would be possible but not likely that with the quality of Duke‘s class next season that they will not have have enough success to save his job. 2 years of not making the tourney would do it.

 

[Mr. Hand]

I don't think anyone knows what Scheyer is yet, good or bad. That seems risky for a school like Duke to gamble on an unknown, right?

Through recruiting he's given himself the opportunity of coaching the most elite talent available, which is a pretty good start.

I'll reserve further judgment until I see how he does with his dream recruiting class.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Pepperdine by far. USD is too far from the ocean.

Calhoun liked to play Pepperdine, I think we played them home and home for a stretch. Maybe to give the kids somewhere nice to play.

 

[Huskygrad88]

Because the programs were definitely in the same spot…

I’m not even that down on Scheyer and am still recovering from years of actively rooting for Duke, but you know that isn’t a great take.

Regardless, I am interested in seeing how play out for Scheyer and Neptune, who find themselves in similar spots. Jay Wright is still heavily involved and around that Villanova program, moreso than Krzyzewski at Duke, I think, which can definitely cause its own challenges.

Totally agree they were nowhere near the same spot, just pointing out how ludicrous it is to make any judgements at 1 year and 8 games. We were ready to assign knighthood to Ollie at year 1 and 2, and many here were still down in Hurley in year 4. How can anyone know what Scheyer will be like at this point??

 

[StllH8L8ner]

Meh kids go to Duke because it’s Duke. You could hire Kermit the Frog as coach and many would still go play there.

F Duke

 

[willie99]

Let Dook. UK and KU get the 8 months on campus kids. I want growth, commitment and family

 

[auggie22]

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I’d attach more pictures but can only post two. Show me another ACC or SEC or northeast school that has architecture like this, AND recruits the cream of the crop EVERY year. Ok Big Ernie Crack? I guess they were trying to outdo northeast schools when they started building it in 1930. Maybe they were trying to outdo Rome?

Did a Duke tour while on a biz trip a few years ago. Was underwhelmed by their campus. The buildings look like knock-offs, not because of their age, but because they were done cheaply. If you walk the Yale campus you would see that Duke and Yale share some architectural themes, but the big difference is the Yale buildings look regal and authentic (even the brand new college). Duke looks like if Disney were to build a typical college campus. Enough details to spark the imagination but not enough to withstand close inspection. They would be better off going the way of chapel hill (a MUCH nicer campus) - the older buildings and landscape feel authentic.

 

[Greathusky]

I submit that it's more the Duke education than the team.

 

[UConnSwag11]

The ACC tournament championship saved him last year. If he has the same kind of season without it his contract is going to look really premature.

Hell, Ollie had to win a national championship to earn his extension lmaooo

That’s usually what happens….

 

[Tenspro2002]

Calhoun liked to play Pepperdine, I think we played them home and home for a stretch. Maybe to give the kids somewhere nice to play.

I think we would sometimes play Pepperdine on our way out to the Maui Invitational.

 

[The Yakk]

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I’d attach more pictures but can only post two. Show me another ACC or SEC or northeast school that has architecture like this, AND recruits the cream of the crop EVERY year. Ok Big Ernie Crack? I guess they were trying to outdo northeast schools when they started building it in 1930. Maybe they were trying to outdo Rome?

Yuck. A fugly church, and then an eye-scraping clash of Gothic and Georgian architecture when you take in the whole quad.

No basketball player ever went there because of the "beauty" of the campus.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

Yuck. A fugly church, and then an eye-scraping clash of Gothic and Georgian architecture when you take in the whole quad.

No basketball player ever went there because of the "beauty" of the campus.

Well, your opinion but have to say you’re full of it.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

Did a Duke tour while on a biz trip a few years ago. Was underwhelmed by their campus. The buildings look like knock-offs, not because of their age, but because they were done cheaply. If you walk the Yale campus you would see that Duke and Yale share some architectural themes, but the big difference is the Yale buildings look regal and authentic (even the brand new college). Duke looks like if Disney were to build a typical college campus. Enough details to spark the imagination but not enough to withstand close inspection. They would be better off going the way of chapel hill (a MUCH nicer campus) - the older buildings and landscape feel authentic.

My kid brother went to Duke, been there a few times, but years ago. I do not know what you’re talking about when you say those grand old buildings were done cheaply. When you say the stone work was done cheaply, how so? I mean everything is still standing and beautiful after almost 100 years. I don’t like Duke either but give some credit, where credit is due.

 

[BGesus4]

Because the programs were definitely in the same spot…

I’m not even that down on Scheyer and am still recovering from years of actively rooting for Duke, but you know that isn’t a great take.

Regardless, I am interested in seeing how play out for Scheyer and Neptune, who find themselves in similar spots. Jay Wright is still heavily involved and around that Villanova program, moreso than Krzyzewski at Duke, I think, which can definitely cause its own challenges.

At both schools, to keep achieving at the same level they were Neptune and Scheyer each would need to be top 5 head coaches in the sport. The odds of someone who hasn’t already proven to be a top head coach in the sport suddenly being one when they’re put in charge of a top program is a huge long shot. I think it’s already pretty clear neither of these guys is a top coach. They obviously can improve but I wouldn’t bet on either of them being at least somewhat close to wright or k—which, as crazy as it may sound, is essentially what they’re being tasked with.

Both schools would’ve done way better to just poach the best head coach available from outside their coaching trees.

 

[SEbluebood]

Let Dook. UK and KU get the 8 months on campus kids. I want growth, commitment and family

I am being facetious, but you don’t want Stephen Castle !!!???

 

[uconngb]

I think we would sometimes play Pepperdine on our way out to the Maui Invitational.

I believe that happened once