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A couple of quick points -

- Gary Blair is 69 years old, has 29 years of experience, 672 wins, a sterling .71 winning percentage. That said, glorifying him as a coach against the litany of other fine coaches in the game today is overdoing it. He is a very good coach, but unlikely to be the 2nd or 3rd best out there. Sorry.

- I would not demean Geno by saying that Dawn has "put her ego in check to learn from the master" and will therefore be that much better. Sorry, if watching Geno coach was the difference maker, I would expect Hartford, Cinci and Temple (as well as any school with a former UConn Assistant) to be one of the top teams in the country. Every coach learns from other coaches they have contact with - and coaches also have resources whereby folks like Geno make tapes diagramming various techniques and plays that are available through the WBCA. Attending another coach's practice and being around them coaching will certainly have influence - but not even Geno can teach another coach to be him.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
A couple of quick points -

- Gary Blair is 69 years old, has 29 years of experience, 672 wins, a sterling .71 winning percentage. That said, glorifying him as a coach against the litany of other fine coaches in the game today is overdoing it. He is a very good coach, but unlikely to be the 2nd or 3rd best out there. Sorry.

- I would not demean Geno by saying that Dawn has "put her ego in check to learn from the master" and will therefore be that much better. Sorry, if watching Geno coach was the difference maker, I would expect Hartford, Cinci and Temple (as well as any school with a former UConn Assistant) to be one of the top teams in the country. Every coach learns from other coaches they have contact with - and coaches also have resources whereby folks like Geno make tapes diagramming various techniques and plays that are available through the WBCA. Attending another coach's practice and being around them coaching will certainly have influence - but not even Geno can teach another coach to be him.
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Staley has a big ego?
 
Bgillon said:
Dawn Staley has yet to prove she is a better coach than Jeff Walz. He pulled off the upset of the century when his team beat Griner and Sims.
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Maybe Staley can tell her team to bludgeon Stewart throughout the game in order to win. Is that really"coaching?"
 
easttexastrash said:
Maybe Staley can tell her team to bludgeon Stewart throughout the game in order to win. Is that really"coaching?"
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meyers7 said:
I'd say UCONN and ND are again quite a step up from everyone else. SC really hasn't done anything yet to prove they belong with the elite.
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I think UConn is alone at the top because no one is going to see a defense like theirs. It could be by the end of the season (after a tough ACC) McGraw will have the team ready (freshmen contributing) but SC I think is ready to make step forward right from the start.
 
rocky rococo said:
SC's starting front line will be 6-4, 6-5, 6-5, with another highly rated 6-5 available off the bench. Huge. They have an incoming PG of outstanding potential, who may well be the test case of whether Dawn can teach what she knows, and their fifth starter is a senior wing that is universally viewed as a first-round draft pick.
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Tiffany Mitchell will start...
 
UConn
Notre Dame
Tennessee
South Carolina
That's my top four.
 
Bgillon said:
Dawn Staley has yet to prove she is a better coach than Jeff Walz. He pulled off the upset of the century when his team beat Griner and Sims.
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Dawn hasn't had top talent until this season. We play at UCONN and Duke and UT in Columbia so we will know a lot after the regular season. I know I'm biased, but I do think that Dawn is an excellent coach. Our previous coach, Susan Walvius, did a lot of great things with developing her players as members of the community, but she was not a great x's and o's coach.
 
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John Glass said:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/605...sketball-date-time-live-streaming-tv-channel/

They humiliated Maryland without their starting center
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They have one national title... in the past four years they have been to four final fours, two of those years they were eliminated in the final four. Two of those years they lost in the championship game. The last two years against UCONN in the games that mattered it was not even close. While they beat up on Maryland... so did we... Muffett cannot get that last 40 minutes to go her way.
 
easttexastrash said:
Maybe Staley can tell her team to bludgeon Stewart throughout the game in order to win. Is that really"coaching?"
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Say what you will about Walz's tactics in that game, the fact is, it is considered to be one of the biggest upsets in NCAA history. I don't know if any other coach could have guided Louisville over Baylor in that game.
Give it up. History has already written that games' epitaph and no amount of whining can change it.
 
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01Neaggrad02 said:
They have one national title... in the past four years they have been to four final fours, two of those years they were eliminated in the final four. Two of those years they lost in the championship game. The last two years against UCONN in the games that mattered it was not even close. While they beat up on Maryland... so did we... Muffett cannot get that last 40 minutes to go her way.
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name another team that has a better record than that ... lately

damn our HORSE is high
 
rvwsleep said:
Say what you will about Walz's tactics in that game, the fact is it is considered to be one of the biggest upsets in NCAA history. I don't know if any other coach could have guided Louisville over Baylor in that game.
Give it up. History has already written that games' epitaph and no amount of whining can change it.
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rvwsleep said:
Say what you will about Walz's tactics in that game, the fact is it is considered to be one of the biggest upsets in NCAA history. I don't know if any other coach could have guided Louisville over Baylor in that game.
Give it up. History has already written that games' epitaph and no amount of whining can change it.
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...written the epitaph and, no matter what you do, East, any legit watching of the game thoroughly debunks your "bludgeoning" theory no matter how often you trot it out.
 
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01Neaggrad02 said:
They have one national title... in the past four years they have been to four final fours, two of those years they were eliminated in the final four. Two of those years they lost in the championship game. The last two years against UCONN in the games that mattered it was not even close. While they beat up on Maryland... so did we... Muffett cannot get that last 40 minutes to go her way.
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The Final Four air is so rarified, very very few teams get there. To dun a team despite these accomplishments is incorrect in my opinion regardless of whether or not they win the last game.
 
cockhrnleghrn said:
Dawn hasn't had top talent until this season. We play at UCONN and Duke and UT in Columbia so we will know a lot after the regular season. I know I'm biased, but I do think that Dawn is an excellent coach. Our previous coach, Susan Walvius, did a lot of great things with developing her players as members of the community, but she was not a great x's and o's coach.
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I also believe she is a very good coach but I was responding a comment that she was the third best coach in WCBB. That's akin to ranking a player based on potential, not performance.
 
ND Teams that have been there and done that in the last year are most dangerous. They believe they deserve to be there and they have a great coach in Muffet. Next year SC could be a real beast as well as Tenn.
 
I'm in the camp that wants to see some real accomplishments from a Dawn coached team.
I think it's a bit early for a coronation.
She's got the horses, let's see the roses;
(Just imagine how terrifying it must be for some coaches, finding themselves facing the sort of expectations that presently exist in SC). :)
 
My top 4 are UConn, South Carolina, Notre Dame and Tenn.
 
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msf22b said:
I'm in the camp that wants to see some real accomplishments from a Dawn coached team.
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Her team had a good enough regular season to earn a #1 seed. Pretty decent accomplishment I'd say.
 
01Neaggrad02 said:
They have one national title... in the past four years they have been to four final fours, two of those years they were eliminated in the final four. Two of those years they lost in the championship game. The last two years against UCONN in the games that mattered it was not even close. While they beat up on Maryland... so did we... Muffett cannot get that last 40 minutes to go her way.
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How many teams in history have been to four consecutive final fours? You've gotta win a number of "big" games to accomplish that feat.

And, no matter how you'd like to paint it, games against UConn in this century, whether exhibitions, in-season or in-tournament are BIG games for a team, with a red circle on the calendar, and Muffet has won a number of those...

At this point, I'd put ND at number two until either they stumble badly or SC East (#3) shows they've jelled. Too many candidates for #4.
 
When the lights go on and they roll the ball onto the court, Who shows up this season outside of UCONN?.........On paper, USC and Tenn and then maybe ND by late Jan or early FEb........All the Texas schools are in the next 5 or the next 15 teams......Maybe, Penn State or Ohio State out of the BIG 10........
 
easttexastrash said:
IMO, SC will be better team than ND. ND, like UCONN, lost two WNBA first round draft picks. SC has everyone back and is adding game-changing talent.

I think it's UCONN and SC and then everyone else.
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Everyone back from losing to a callow UNC team in the Sweet 16 that Notre Dame smoked by 25 in conference play.

I don't know how good ND is going to be and I wouldn't say that they're the clear #2, but it's a huge leap of faith to give SC that status, too.
 
South Carolina certainly has the potential to become #2 but for now Notre Dame is #2 until someone wrests it away from them.
 
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