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Who will be our best player this year?

superjohn said:
This is insane.
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Insane is a stretch for me, (no stats to back up) my eye test last season is the team struggled the most at times when he wasn't on the court.

I expect him to be right there for best player on team this year.
 
RJScootin said:
Insane is a stretch for me, (no stats to back up) my eye test last season is the team struggled the most at times when he wasn't on the court.

I expect him to be right there for best player on team this year.
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He was indispensable because he was our only power forward. He wasn't our best player, that's just stupid. He can become our beat player in the future, he certainly wasn't our best player last season.
 
Few players, if any, will impact the game defensively the way Clingan should this season. If he manages to score a very doable 12-15 ppg, it would be difficult not to view him as our “best” player. Karaban’s offense should get some national attention too and considering he’ll be 21 in November, could have some decisions to make next spring.
 
I have to go with Karaban too, like last year AJ was the glue guy. Karaban will be the guy on the floor the most minutes keeping it all together, hitting back breaker shots or the unexpected drive to the rim at a time where it has significant impact on the game, Newton running the show makes it an interesting race & is very debatable. These 2 are the guys that make the rest go.
 
Kitaman said:
What does this stat mean?
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Thinking Think GIF by Rodney Dangerfield
 
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superjohn said:
The ability to burn and not be burned. You're sick with the burn!
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Ask @polycom about a man who keeps his word. For if you are not a man who keeps his word you're not actually a man,. (sounds like Clint Eastwood or Marlon Brando, but that might be an original, I hope its not, Im used to playing in cover bands ;-)
 
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August_West said:
Ask @polycom about a man who keeps his word. For if you are not a man who keeps his word you're not actually a man,. (sounds like Clint Eastwood or Marlon Brando, but that might be an original, I hope its not, Im used to playing in cover bands ;-)
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This was pretty disappointing, clearly not your best burn.

Try harder.
 
@Kitaman @August_West

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NBA Win Shares | Basketball-Reference.com

Description of Basketball Win Shares
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Win Shares is a player statistic which attempts to divvy up credit for team success to the individuals on the team.
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  1. Calculate points produced for each player. In 2008-09, James had an estimated 2345.9 points produced.
  2. Calculate offensive possessions for each player. James had an estimated 1928.1 offensive possessions in 2008-09.
  3. Calculate marginal offense for each player. Marginal offense is equal to (points produced) - 0.92 * (league points per possession) * (offensive possessions). For James this is 2345.9 - 0.92 * 1.083 * 1928.1 = 424.8. Note that this formula may produce a negative result for some players.
  4. Calculate marginal points per win. Marginal points per win reduces to 0.32 * (league points per game) * ((team pace) / (league pace)). For the 2008-09 Cavaliers this is 0.32 * 100.0 * (88.7 / 91.7) = 30.95.
  5. Credit Offensive Win Shares to the players.
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The simplest explanation is its a Kenpom like relativity statistic but taken to a player level when they are in the game.
 
August_West said:
Sure thing. Maybe some people's definitions of "best player" might differ than yours. Is that a problem? Just like your definition of "debt" differs from most normal people. (amirite @shizzle787 ?)
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Nice.
 
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August_West said:
Ask @polycom about a man who keeps his word. For if you are not a man who keeps his word you're not actually a man,. (sounds like Clint Eastwood or Marlon Brando, but that might be an original, I hope its not, Im used to playing in cover bands ;-)
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haha! I had to scroll for context. But this was quality stuff.
 
Karaban. Unless Clingan can play around 25 minutes a game consistently.
 
The best part of this thread is all the different answers. Could be Clingan. Could be Newton. Could be AK. Could be Castle. Could be Spencer. My hope is that they all play their role according to what Hurley expects them to. If that happens makes no difference who the best player is but we know who the best team will be.
 
SilentDog said:
The best part of this thread is all the different answers. Could be Clingan. Could be Newton. Could be AK. Could be Castle. Could be Spencer. My hope is that they all play their role according to what Hurley expects them to. If that happens makes no difference who the best player is but we know who the best team will be.
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I think it's because the choices are:

Newton: 5th year, we know what he is, which is very good, but probably not "best player" on a top 10 team.
Clingan: Sophomore who hasn't played starter minutes, had minimal offense outside of dunks last year. Impressive post D and rebounding, good passing. We expect a huge leap, but will it come? Didn't see a big improvement during the season last year.
Castle: Freshman, could be amazing, but still hasn't played a minute at this level. Going on his HS rep.
Karaban: Showed a very versatile game and got much better over the course of the season. Is his improvement this year just a minor one or does he have a substantial leap in him?

We probably need/want this to be a battle between Clingan and Castle, but Alex may be the safest bet. I left off Spencer, it won't be him.
 
Clingan is most critical to the team’s success. He can impact a game from a defensive standpoint and lead offensive runs as he did last year. This is why our second unit often pushed our leads up so often. If he doesn’t alter shots, rebound and start the break our team can be good but not as exceptional as last year. Sanogo was our best player last year and there’s no argument to be made to the contrary. He was final 4 mvp. Everything will be fine this year as long as Clingan stays healthy.
 
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SilentDog said:
The best part of this thread is all the different answers. Could be Clingan. Could be Newton. Could be AK. Could be Castle. Could be Spencer. My hope is that they all play their role according to what Hurley expects them to. If that happens makes no difference who the best player is but we know who the best team will be.
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I agree that probably nobody here would care who the best player was on a team that go us #6 but who do you think it would be for them to get it?
 
QuickDraw said:
I agree that probably nobody here would care who the best player was on a team that go us #6 but who do you think it would be for them to get it?
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So if I had to choose, I would say Clingan. Not knocking him at all but he knew his role last year and it fit him perfectly. Going from role player to being the man is a very big step. If he goes out and dominates and averages 25-27 minutes and and a double double we will have a real chance to repeat. Whenever we needed to stop a run first option was always AS. So who is going to be the stopper? Hawk was more the nail in the coffin man. I think AK can fill that role.
 
Karaban is the most important piece to this team. His consistency will be huge. His calm demeanor and approach will really help keep the team focused on their goals, especially if they go through a rough stretch like last year (he's got some Eli Manning vibes). With him having that extra half season with the team in 2021-2022, he has been influenced the most by this coaching staff and previous leaders like RJ, TM, IW, AJ, JH, and AS. Low key he also may end up being one of the better Pros from this group once he gets there. I think his game translates great at the next level.
 
It better be Castle
Nobody is going to average huge points because there are too many scorers on the team. The need requires a true point guard this season and hopefully Castle will provide those metrics.
 
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