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Sorry wrong board. On another board (that can't be named), that's Muhl's nickname.The Icon?
Sorry wrong board. On another board (that can't be named), that's Muhl's nickname.The Icon?
Excellent post. Completely agree, about the Iowa game, the Texas game, and I’d add a few others too, and I especially agree with your closing remark. Who’s on the court at the end is at least as important as who starts. The Stanford game from two seasons ago really shows what Geno thinks. This was from before Nika improved her offense last summer, which meant she was still arguably an offensive liability. Earlier that year, Geno often didn’t have her on the floor at the end of close games. But he saw the need to run an offense/defense platoon in that hectic 4th quarter of a Final Four game so he could have her on the floor as much as possible. That’s how important he thinks her contribution is.At the end of any tight game, Paige will have the ball in her hands. Depending on matchups, Geno might go BIG or small. Nika might be on the court or not. But anyone who thinks Nika won’t be in the starting lineup is mistaken.
Ahh, but it is criticism of the Icon. She IS in the top 5 players on the team. At least in Geno's view. (and again, that's what we are talking about) You are saying she isn't. Geno would disagree with you.What Geno "normally" does is put the best five on the court.
This isn't about criticism of Muhl,
Ummm, no. Sorry you're off here. Senechal is a guard. As pure a 2 guard as we've had here in awhile. Fudd is a guard (combo but shades to the 2), the Icon is a guard (pure 1). When available last year he played them together. The problem was they weren't available very often.Or are you saying that geno believes that 3 guards is always better? Many years there are 3 guards among the five. Last year he had one guard and that was Muhl. Who else was there? Bettencourt. And at one point she was all he had. Senechal was a 6'1 wing. She ended up playing a guard position and that was partly why UConn's to's were so high but she was also a reason for Muhl's assist record.
Yes, and one of the is going to be the Icon.Start with Bueckers, Fudd & Edwards and then add two more that best completes the five.
Well that's what Geno thinks. Geno likes 3 guards. Hell sometimes, he puts 4 guards out there. So YES, Geno thinks adding a 3rd guard will make the team better.When you look at Bueckers and Fudd you see two guards that can do everything that a pg & sg can do, and do them better than anyone else. You now think that the addition to make the team better is a third guard?
OK, who calls her the Icon, and is that a positive or negative name from the person who called her that?Ahh, but it is criticism of the Icon. She IS in the top 5 players on the team. At least in Geno's view. (and again, that's what we are talking about) You are saying she isn't. Geno would disagree with you.
Ummm, no. Sorry you're off here. Senechal is a guard. As pure a 2 guard as we've had here in awhile. Fudd is a guard (combo but shades to the 2), the Icon is a guard (pure 1). When available last year he played them together. The problem was they weren't available very often.
Yes, and one of the is going to be the Icon.
Well that's what Geno thinks. Geno likes 3 guards. Hell sometimes, he puts 4 guards out there. So YES, Geno thinks adding a 3rd guard will make the team better.
AND, AND, even more, Geno thinks the Icon, in particular, makes the team better. And I'd have to agree with him on that. When she's out there, the team just runs better.
I was wondering the same thing. I’ll just take it as a positive. Nika is iconic! She stands for courage and resolve, toughness and persistence. These are Husky values!OK, who calls her the Icon, and is that a positive or negative name from the person who called her that?
I totally agree! I was following the OP until that line about Aubrey starting. I love what she brings to the lineup. But she is definitely better as a 6th woman.IMHO Caroline & Aubrey are better suited to coming off the bench to change the pace of the game!
On Day One I think Aubrey starts. Her experience, defense, rebounding and ability to run the court and attack the basket are attributes Geno can depend on. I do agree that Ice & Jana may fill that starting spot, but I think it will take a few games for either to establish themselves in the starting lineup.IMHO Caroline & Aubrey are better suited to coming off the bench to change the pace of the game!
Nika, Paige, Azzi, and Edwards will definitely start in November and either Jana or Ice will fill the 5th spot!
Which ever of those 2 won't start will join Caroline and Aubrey as early off the bench!
Also I do think that Geno's depth will be deeper than in past years because more players are showing him they're worthy of PT!
He who cannot be named. I think it originally was a negative. But "he who cannot be named" grabbed it, ran with it and is making it a positive. (I'm just trying to help)OK, who calls her the Icon, and is that a positive or negative name from the person who called her that?
I’ve heard Geno talk about seniors a lot over the years and I’ve never heard him express such a sentiment. More often, he says the sophomores and juniors have a priority for the future of the program and the seniors might have to take a back seat. Sometimes he exaggerates this sentiment and seems to be teasing a particular senior. I expect Paige to get a bit of this from him. But the idea that seniors may have paid dues in a previous season and earned something is not anything I’ve heard come out of his mouth.Those seniors have paid their dues and have earned it.
You repeatedly stated Muhl will not start, due to her not being one of the five best. I repeatedly claim and am convinced that Muhl will start, based on historical evidence of starting the five Auriemma trusts most to start the game with fewest mistakes/best decisions.
If you are similarly convinced of your claim Muhl does not start based on your rationale, then the the make up of the rest of the starting line up does not matter.
Admittedly, I was originally betting that Muhl would be the starting PG, but in the course of this thread I see where this runs into a problem of interpretation and measurement. I interpret PG to mean the one who starts the Point of attack, not Assists leader (that Jokic fella certainly was not a PG). Bringing the ball up from an uncontested entry pass to start the offense would be a measure of this, but I see in this thread (and private communication), where others would not accept this interpretation or measurement.
So no other complicated conditions attached. Either Muhl starts in the NCAA tournament, if uninjured, or she does not, regardless of other metrics/conditions. Bet?
Btw, I generally enjoy your posts, have a similarly high opinion of Bueckers (perhaps higher, if one considers the type of adulation Jokic gets for not being a PG), and would enjoy meeting you. But even reasonable people can disagree. ;-)
It is not who gets the most rebounds. Or the most assists either. Play Bueckers and Fudd alone and you have two great passers, two great dribblers and two great scorers in any offense. Add Muhl and you get another passer and another dribbler. That's not enough when you look at the other talent available on the UConn roster.When it comes NCAA Tourney time, if team is healthy, with Muhl starting at the pg (while Paige is also the pg and the SF), the trio of Nika/Paige/Azzi in terms of passing may be among the greatest combo of passers that play at the same time in wcbb histrory at the 1-3 spots.
Then you have in Paige and Azzi , potentially two of the greatest efficient scorers in wcbb this year in which it is impossible to double-team them if they are off-the-ball , it just potentially can't get any better watching this trio on full display during a National TV audience for the NCAA Tourney. Paige and Azzi are senstaional scorers in a motion offense and in fastbreaks too.
And the object of the game is to score the most ponts. It is not who gets the most rebounds.
Nika broke Sue Bird's assist record. You dodn't break that by accident. You do that becuase you are a great passer. -- So,no you can't get another passer that's in Nika's class for this team other than Paige and Azzi. . That's why you put all 3 together and they become a Titan - so much more than "we have enough. . . " .It is not who gets the most rebounds. Or the most assists either. Play Bueckers and Fudd alone and you have two great passers, two great dribblers and two great scorers in any offense. Add Muhl and you get another passer and another dribbler. That's not enough when you look at the other talent available on the UConn roster.
IMO you are not. You minimzie Bueckers awesome abilities as a versatile player. Post 121 on thsi thread you say Azzi woudl be the SF over Paige. A slap in the face to Paige.I'm not trying to change the bet but to make it clear and according to my prediction. (I worked in gaming and experienced too many arguments after the fact).
Clarification:
Are we talking 1st game of the year or 1st game of the NCAA's? Both questions have had threads. I'm good with either option. And obviously this does not include senior day.
I will not accept "regardless of other metrics" because of the last two seasons. Muhl started last season because of "other team metrics" I say that Bueckers Fudd and Muhl will not all be on the starting team as long as the roster remains as it is.
What I am is a Bueckers admirer.
I don’t think this is quite accurate. At least it’s not how I remember it. There was indeed panic over the thought of not having Paige. It wasn’t specifically focused on Nika or anyone else.When Bueckers went down there was panic over the thought of UConn having to rely on Muhl.
I think this is right. Very few of us had even considered Nika as a possible starter. I know I didn’t and I was a cautious Nika supporter at that time. I was focused on the need for her to improve her offense in order to open up passing lanes.Last summer at this point very few posters were putting Muhl into the starting lineup.
Nika broke Sue Bird's assist record. You dodn't break that by accident. You do that becuase you are a great passer. -- So,no you can't get another passer that's in Nika's class for this team other than Paige and Azzi. . That's why you put all 3 together and they become a Titan - so much more than "we have enough. . . " .
It' is ideal to "pas the ball" ot these supreme efficient scoring stars vs having Paige as a general rule pass the ball to lesser efficient scoring players. That's why a great passer like Nika is ideal for Paige and Azzi. And that's why when Nika is in, it's imprtant to remmeber that scorign is more important than rebounds. Assists lead directly to baskets. Many rebounds do not.
You repeatedly stated Muhl will not start, due to her not being one of the five best. I repeatedly claim and am convinced that Muhl will start, based on historical evidence of starting the five Auriemma trusts most to start the game with fewest mistakes/best decisions.
If you are similarly convinced of your claim Muhl does not start based on your rationale, then the the make up of the rest of the starting line up does not matter.
Admittedly, I was originally betting that Muhl would be the starting PG, but in the course of this thread I see where this runs into a problem of interpretation and measurement. I interpret PG to mean the one who starts the Point of attack, not Assists leader (that Jokic fella certainly was not a PG). Bringing the ball up from an uncontested entry pass to start the offense would be a measure of this, but I see in this thread (and private communication), where others would not accept this interpretation or measurement.
So no other complicated conditions attached. Either Muhl starts in the NCAA tournament, if uninjured, or she does not, regardless of other metrics/conditions. Bet?
Btw, I generally enjoy your posts, have a similarly high opinion of Bueckers (perhaps higher, if one considers the type of adulation Jokic gets for not being a PG), and would enjoy meeting you. But even reasonable people can disagree. ;-)
I think everybody knows that I am a Nika fan, and have been since before she set foot on campus. Watching some of her videos intrigued me, but one interview she was asked about Paige also being recruited. I believe Nika said that she never saw her play but heard that she was very good. Her take was that she could play with her, and they could make each other better. Well, this is the year when that comment comes to fruition, because they will start together, and they will complement each other and help each other achieve greatness for the team and each other. Nika has never claimed to be what she is not, but she has displayed greatness in the attributes that she has brought to the team. (Tough defense, enthusiasm, and of course, setting up her teammates for success). She is a warrior that won't quit, and she is the one who will keep everybody focused to finish the job that her and Paige started. A National Championship. Paige and Nika will run the team together, and they know each other well enough now to ensure that they will win big together.
Wow, sounds like you are willing to put yourWho is Jokic? If it's NBA I don't watch so your analogy is wasted on me.
I agree that there are grey areas in the wager. My point was never that Muhl wouldn't start. I got into this by saying that Geno would not start three guards in 2024 despite having done so in the past. My reasons are spelled out on several posts and I'm not going to restate them here. The bottom line is that if Geno starts 2 guards then they are Bueckers and Fudd. Plus, I always prefaced my predictions based on everyone being healthy and at 100%. The reality is likely to be different from that. You therefore have a huge built-in advantage in that injuries only increase the odds of Muhl starting. So what I will bet on is that those three players will not all start in either UConn's first regular season or in the first NCAA game. There are just too many other factors that can change things.

We have arrived where we all feared: a minutes thread.In fact if you design your offense for three guards then you better have 5 of them because the three are sharing 120 min and unless youy want all three playing 30/game all season then you will have sub in freshmen while players like Brady, Ducharme and Griffin share 50 minutes between them, the 40 of the 5th position and 10 from Edwards' minutes. Is that really what Geno will want?
We have arrived where we all feared: a minutes thread.
No. You (UCONN) are trying to press another a team. So we as posters have to stop thinking in trying to match up with the other team if we are calling ourseves a pressing team. .I admit that Muhl is a great passer. But with Bueckers and Fudd UConn already has two great passers in the starting lineup while there is only one front court player and the candidates for starting include several front court players who will diversify UConn's starting team more than a third excellent passer. I expect that Bueckers, Fudd and Muhl will share the guard minutes. But only two at a time under normal circumstances.
No. You (UCONN) are trying to press another a team. So we as posters have to stop thinking in trying to match up with the other team if we are calling ourseves a pressing team. .
Secondly, you play to your strongest advantages if you can - not to try to match up with another team's advantages. Not when you have the extremeadvantages UCONN has with Nika/Paige/Azzi .
So you start Nika/Paige/Azzi and stop worrying about how to match up with the other team instead force them to match up to you. In part that is why you press. You look to take advantage of teams that can't match up with your pace. That's why in part "diversify" is irrelevant.
Why would you want to play slower when you can domainte at the 1-3 spots. With 3 terrific passing guards you pace will be at its fastest regardless for example how fast Aubrey is. In terms offensive pace Aubrey is only a fast runner. So with that said. the starting lineup in the beginning I expect to be Nika/Azzi/Paige if healthy. The 3rd extra passer will force the bigger teams to try to play smaller or suffer the onslaught of Paige and Azzi receiving passes from a terrfic passer. Again the main object is to score the most points. Not worry as much about rebounding and diversify when you have a tremendous trio combo.
You don’t have to imagine. Just watch a replay of the Texas game.Somehow I have a hard time imagining Geno starting a game with a pressing lineup. I agree that UConn will be trying to play more uptempo to take advantage of their depth, but that is a specialty team, not what you start against Stanford or SCar.
Griffin is the fastest player on the team according to Geno, and Bueckers is second fastest. Geno can put a very fast team on the floor with only two guards.
I believe I read on here that there was a quote from Geno that he will look to press more this year. We'll have to see about health as well. All my comments have bene "assuming helath." SO yes if healthy, no reason why UCONN won't press early..Somehow I have a hard time imagining Geno starting a game with a pressing lineup. I agree that UConn will be trying to play more uptempo to take advantage of their depth, but that is a specialty team, not what you start against Stanford or SCar.
Griffin is the fastest player on the team according to Geno, and Bueckers is second fastest. Geno can put a very fast team on the floor with only two guards.