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So ECU switched up the defense and suddenly Whitmer became ineffective... And that's Whitmer's fault, rather than the coaching for not making adjustments to what ECU was doing.

3rd and 8 and they run a QB read option. And that's Whitner's fault it's ineffective.

Right.

He accounted 85% of our offense and that includes sitting a series.

85%!!

We can't run the ball. Period. The best rushing play of the night required our QB to block a linebacker. What do you expect from a QB with a shaky line and zero ability to move the ball on the ground.

Morons.

Oh, and 12 penalties for 119 yards. We were penalized for 35 more yards than we rushed for. But let's pick on Whitmer.
 
Palatine said:
Whitmer is ONLY the best choice because Diaco hasn't cared to learn what Boyle can (or can't) do or played him enough to compete for the job. If Diaco had done these things and Whitmer was STILL the best choice, then fine, I would agree with Diaco.

Whitmer has lost every game -EVERY GAME- this year (except SB) and he lost all four of his starts last year. If that gives us the best chance of winning, then there is some definition of winning that doesn't include scoring more points than the competition.

Even worse, since Whitmer loses every game, there is absolutely no downside to playing Boyle. He could have given Boyle any number or starts of quarters without effecting our record or chance for a bowl. And that, at the very least, would put us in a much better posture moving forward. Heck, it might have improved our record, we'll never know.
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If Whitmer gives UConn a 25% chance of winning, and Boyle gives UConn a 10% or even 24% chance of winning, then yes there is a downside to playing Boyle.

It sounds like you're assuming that Boyle looks better than Whitmer in practice and the coaches choose to ignore that. If that were true it would be gross incompetence. You might believe that to be true, I think we don't have enough evidence. You said something about blind faith a while back, which is kind of funny given your blind faith in Boyle based on little to no evidence. How many wins has Boyle been involved in again?

I would like for Boyle to get more series in theory. But we're about halfway through the season and now I'm thinking if Boyle wants to make his case to the coaches to get more playing time he's going to have to demonstrate it by outcompeting Chandler in the film room, in practices, and maybe, I don't know, pick up some first downs when he goes into games. He's had at least one series in every game he's appeared in and I haven't seen him demonstrate that he's ready to take the bull by the horns and lead the team down the field. I don't think it's too much to ask. If he doesn't get the experience now, he'll have to make up for it in spring practice or he may find himself behind Tyler Davisby the summer.
 
Palatine said:
Whitmer is ONLY the best choice because Diaco hasn't cared to learn what Boyle can (or can't) do or played him enough to compete for the job. If Diaco had done these things and Whitmer was STILL the best choice, then fine, I would agree with Diaco.

Whitmer has lost every game -EVERY GAME- this year (except SB) and he lost all four of his starts last year. If that gives us the best chance of winning, then there is some definition of winning that doesn't include scoring more points than the competition.

Even worse, since Whitmer loses every game, there is absolutely no downside to playing Boyle. He could have given Boyle any number or starts of quarters without effecting our record or chance for a bowl. And that, at the very least, would put us in a much better posture moving forward. Heck, it might have improved our record, we'll never know.
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Other players who have lost every game except Whitmer-
G Davis
D Foxx
B Jones
Obi
B Diaco
Everyone that has player on the OL
Etc etc etc.

I could keep going but you must be smart enough to know it takes 22 and ST to win or lose a FB game - it is a team sport. If CW was a Singles tennis player on the UConn tennis team and he was 1-6 then yes - he lost every game except SB.

What if TB played and got his shoulder ripped up on a hard hit because he doesn't sense the rush and the OL doesn't give him the time to throw as his reads are slower - and his career is cut short due to injury - how would you react to that? How would that put us in a much better posture moving forward?? You would be bitching about putting Boyle behind that OL?

Be a team player and get behind the guys are are bleeding and sweating for this team instead of ripping them. Instead of calling out Whitmer call out Diaco to play Boyle - but your act of ripping Whitmer is getting old.
 
Palatine said:
Whitmer is ONLY the best choice because Diaco hasn't cared to learn what Boyle can (or can't) do or played him enough to compete for the job. If Diaco had done these things and Whitmer was STILL the best choice, then fine, I would agree with Diaco.

Whitmer has lost every game -EVERY GAME- this year (except SB) and he lost all four of his starts last year. If that gives us the best chance of winning, then there is some definition of winning that doesn't include scoring more points than the competition.

Even worse, since Whitmer loses every game, there is absolutely no downside to playing Boyle. He could have given Boyle any number or starts of quarters without effecting our record or chance for a bowl. And that, at the very least, would put us in a much better posture moving forward. Heck, it might have improved our record, we'll never know.
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Pal, you've gone completely off the deep end.

I hate the idea of knocking one of our kids but there is one thing here that I absolutely need to point out. The biggest knock (while Casey was still active) on Whitmer was how he reacted with even the slightest amount of pressure. Whitmer panicked and scrambled while Cochran slid a little and completed a pass. The one series when Boyle played Thursday, on a pass play, without anything other than the line forming a pocket around him, Boyle pulled the ball in, started moving forward, towards where the pocket was forming, putting himself in a position where he could not throw the ball and where it was easier for ECU's linemen to sack him. If Boyle played, there would have been no opportunity for the offensive linemen or receivers (many of each who will return next year) to experience any success or gain any confidence.

An entire offense needs to be developed, not merely your (at the moment) pet player (who will be in your doghouse the minute a backup who you believe may have more potential emerges).
 
Pal's entire theory rests on 1) Diaco and his whole staff either not wanting to win or being too stupid to know how, and 2) Boyle is better- not based on any observable facts, but simply by not being Whitmer.

My money is on Pal being the idiot here.
 
There are NO observable facts that Whitmer is better. The offense is limited by the kinds of throws he can make. Not to knock on a gutsy guy but opposing defensive coordinators only have to defend certain kinds of pass plays (i.e. long fade routes). If Diaco hadn't burned Boyles redshirt I would have no problem with Whitmer playing every down. However once burned even Stony Brook could defend Whitmer. By the way, to the village idiot who commented on Boyle starting only one year at Xavier it might be appropriate to remember Xavier won 3 consecutive state championships and their coach was bright enough to use the abundance of talent at Xavier and tailor each offensive year to that talent. Boyle will never improve until he has a chance to let that cannon arm force defenses to respect the entire field. Last year in his first game two TD passes were dropped. You can't throw it and catch at the same time.
Our guys and mostly young guys played one hell of a game against EC. It's too bad that we are so easy to defend and that's on Whitmer despite the FACT he is one tough kid. You want UConn to win you have to have a guy who can force all defenses to respect the entire field. Even Orlovsky didn't have a very good first year, but everyone learned and improved. Whitmer will never be able to do that. Even the running game stalls with some pretty good RB's because opposing defenses can still stack the box. Boyle may not be the answer but only a fool would think 1 series of action a game would enhance his development. Get him in a rhythm, force the opposition to respect the whole field and then we will know whether he is the future. Good guy that he is, Whitmer has proven he is not the answer, and a note to Boyle, get in the film room, play every practice like its the Super Bowl and force Diaco to play you. That's not on Whitmer it's on you!
 
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uconn34 said:
There are NO observable facts that Whitmer is better. The offense is limited by the kinds of throws he can make. Not to knock on a gutsy guy but opposing defensive coordinators only have to defend certain kinds of pass plays (i.e. long fade routes). If Diaco hadn't burned Boyles redshirt I would have no problem with Whitmer playing every down. However once burned even Stony Brook could defend Whitmer. By the way, to the village idiot who commented on Boyle starting only one year at Xavier it might be appropriate to remember Xavier won 3 consecutive state championships and their coach was bright enough to use the abundance of talent at Xavier and tailor each offensive year to that talent. Boyle will never improve until he has a chance to let that cannon arm force defenses to respect the entire field. Last year in his first game two TD passes were dropped. You can't throw it and catch at the same time.
Our guys and mostly young guys played one hell of a game against EC. It's too bad that we are so easy to defend and that's on Whitmer despite the FACT he is one tough kid. You want UConn to win you have to have a guy who can force all defenses to respect the entire field. Even Orlovsky didn't have a very good first year, but everyone learned and improved. Whitmer will never be able to do that. Even the running game stalls with some pretty good RB's because opposing defenses can still stack the box. Boyle may not be the answer but only a fool would think 1 series of action a game would enhance his development. Get him in a rhythm, force the opposition to respect the whole field and then we will know whether he is the future. Good guy that he is, Whitmer has proven he is not the answer, and a note to Boyle, get in the film room, play every practice like its the Super Bowl and force Diaco to play you. That's not on Whitmer it's on you!
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I am not out to bash Boyle but he simply is not ready for this level of play. He averages a sack every four downs of play, if this is not observable to you I would suggest a closer seat or opticals. Blame it on the line or the coaches but open your eyes. He not only gets sacked he crumbles, you are asking for him to get seriously injured.
Yes he has a great arm but his foot speed and strength needs to catch up. He may be the QB of the future but to play him now may not afford him one.
 
He has been sacked several times this year cause that's all he has played. Get a better bark Woof!
 
It's funny, as a less than die hard fan as many of you, I don't find Palantine to be that far off. He may be stretching the line a bit but having Whitmer QBing the majority of the time this year is really a waste. As the rest of the team hopefully improves who's going to be behind center in what is obviously the most important position. It is not fair to Whitmer as a senior and a kid who stuck it out to Not play at all I agree. But this one game, against an obviously weak defensive opponent, has people suddenly believing he needs to be the guy, that's funny. While the line has been fairly awful this year so has he, clueless at times and having no pocket presence. I realize Boyle hasn't looked good either when thrown in, but he also is the only of the 2 QB's not to be given a chance to get any type of rhythm to prove anything other than what you can see from 2-6 passes a game.

The line looked better the other night or maybe ECU's defensive line wasn't too good, either way they will continue to grow while next year they will have no one with any game experience to speak of, ready to lead them as they try to improve on what will be an awful 2014 campaign no matter how you slice it. I guess we better hope that Davis also is a stud along with the NC State transfer who likes to run a lot too. Obviously there is little confidence by this staff Boyle will have any chance to be the guy or else he'd playing I would think. Then again, he hasn't had a fair shake on a team who isn't very good at all. Crazy!:rolleyes:

Oh yeah and another thing, with all of the good QB's out there, and there's tons as you watch highlights and games, it's amazing that PP couldn't find any of those diamonds while recruiting. Well then again, it's not!
 
My guess is that Diaco is going to stick with Whitmer until we have no chance of bowl eligibility. I know bowl eligibility seems absurd at this point, but if we upset UCF it will not be out of the question given our schedule.
 
metsfan2323 said:
My guess is that Diaco is going to stick with Whitmer until we have no chance of bowl eligibility. I know bowl eligibility seems absurd at this point, but if we upset UCF it will not be out of the question given our schedule.
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Oh it's out of the question. I mean the only thing not out of the question is whether they can roll on SMU? The rest has been out of the question since the win over SB.......
 
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mauconnfan said:
Oh it's out of the question. I mean the only thing not out of the question is whether they can roll on SMU? The rest has been out of the question since the win over SB..
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Yup, and winning 5 in a row in 2010 was also out of the question.

The spread offense we displayed on Thursday gives me a glimmer of hope, I just wish we were using the spread in game one vs BYU but I guess a new coach has a learning curve too. I respect that he is man enough to make changes during the season and not stubbornly stick with what was not working the way P did. Now if we could only get him to blitz on occasion when the ball is not in the red zone. He turns into Don Brown when it is in the red zone. The defense is very good but would be better if it were more unpredictable.
 
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uconn34 said:
There are NO observable facts that Whitmer is better. The offense is limited by the kinds of throws he can make. Not to knock on a gutsy guy but opposing defensive coordinators only have to defend certain kinds of pass plays (i.e. long fade routes). If Diaco hadn't burned Boyles redshirt I would have no problem with Whitmer playing every down. However once burned even Stony Brook could defend Whitmer. By the way, to the village idiot who commented on Boyle starting only one year at Xavier it might be appropriate to remember Xavier won 3 consecutive state championships and their coach was bright enough to use the abundance of talent at Xavier and tailor each offensive year to that talent. Boyle will never improve until he has a chance to let that cannon arm force defenses to respect the entire field. Last year in his first game two TD passes were dropped. You can't throw it and catch at the same time.
Our guys and mostly young guys played one hell of a game against EC. It's too bad that we are so easy to defend and that's on Whitmer despite the FACT he is one tough kid. You want UConn to win you have to have a guy who can force all defenses to respect the entire field. Even Orlovsky didn't have a very good first year, but everyone learned and improved. Whitmer will never be able to do that. Even the running game stalls with some pretty good RB's because opposing defenses can still stack the box. Boyle may not be the answer but only a fool would think 1 series of action a game would enhance his development. Get him in a rhythm, force the opposition to respect the whole field and then we will know whether he is the future. Good guy that he is, Whitmer has proven he is not the answer, and a note to Boyle, get in the film room, play every practice like its the Super Bowl and force Diaco to play you. That's not on Whitmer it's on you!
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Obviously this is your horse in the race - but youre right that it is time to force Diaco to play him - so get more intense (coaches words) and beat out the guy who has so many limitations that you have pointed out. The telling point of this is Whitmer is SO bad but that the coach will only play Boyle a series a week - I highly doubt it's that nagging lower leg 'injury' - I won't tell you why only one series a game as you seem much too intelligent to need me to point that out.

Dan O first year stats-
269 atts
9 TD's
11 ints

It is really not fair to attempt to claim Dan really didn't have a good first year compared to Tim's first year - there is a light years difference between the two.

Tim's first years
0 TD's
8 ints
133 atts
18 sacks

I could give CW stats but I guess those aren't observable facts ...and no observable facts that Boyle is better than Sheriffs...

'We want to play Tim, we really do'
'Tim is our future until someone beats him out'

Those are some telling quotes by our head coach about Tims development under this coaching staff.
 
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I would consider the argument against playing Whitmer more credible by those proposing it if they included Mateas and Cruz in their argument. As the two senior offensive linemen will not be back next year and our line play hasn't been even acceptable for nearly the entirety of the season to date.

There is an answer but in order to understand it you need to realize that a football team is about far more than one or two players and that running a program is a bit more involved than playing Madden on XBox.
 
junglehusky said:
If Whitmer gives UConn a 25% chance of winning, and Boyle gives UConn a 10% or even 24% chance of winning, then yes there is a downside to playing Boyle.

It sounds like you're assuming that Boyle looks better than Whitmer in practice and the coaches choose to ignore that. If that were true it would be gross incompetence. You might believe that to be true, I think we don't have enough evidence. You said something about blind faith a while back, which is kind of funny given your blind faith in Boyle based on little to no evidence. How many wins has Boyle been involved in again?

I would like for Boyle to get more series in theory. But we're about halfway through the season and now I'm thinking if Boyle wants to make his case to the coaches to get more playing time he's going to have to demonstrate it by outcompeting Chandler in the film room, in practices, and maybe, I don't know, pick up some first downs when he goes into games. He's had at least one series in every game he's appeared in and I haven't seen him demonstrate that he's ready to take the bull by the horns and lead the team down the field. I don't think it's too much to ask. If he doesn't get the experience now, he'll have to make up for it in spring practice or he may find himself behind Tyler Davisby the summer.
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Creating percentages is completely meaningless. You either win or lose. Zero sum game.

Coaches over value practice, always have, always will. It's because they can control everything in practice. This is not possible in games and everyone responds differently to live bullets. Coaches make personnel mistakes all the time. But the bigger issue here is not giving a player a FAIR chance. Just like P with Nebrich.

At this point there is zero value in playing Whitmer.
 
Palatine said:
Creating percentages is completely meaningless. You either win or lose. Zero sum game.

Coaches over value practice, always have, always will. It's because they can control everything in practice. This is not possible in games and everyone responds differently to live bullets. Coaches make personnel mistakes all the time. But the bigger issue here is not giving a player a FAIR chance. Just like P with Nebrich.

At this point there is zero value in playing Whitmer.
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Is it fair for me to be rooting against Nebrich just so you don't throw him out every time you want a back up QB to play with no rational evidence that he would be as good as the starter? Probably not, but I'm close to paying a Fordham lineman some cash to get him to miss a block.
 
Palatine said:
Creating percentages is completely meaningless. You either win or lose. Zero sum game.

Coaches over value practice, always have, always will. It's because they can control everything in practice. This is not possible in games and everyone responds differently to live bullets. Coaches make personnel mistakes all the time. But the bigger issue here is not giving a player a FAIR chance. Just like P with Nebrich.

At this point there is zero value in playing Whitmer.
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Show me where it says that QB competitions have to be fair. Or life for that matter. I have no problem with setting a higher standard for Boyle, a younger player who in theory should be the QB of the future, than for the outgoing QB with the low ceiling. Boyle has had an opportunity in every game he's played to show he can learn the playbook and make decisions. I have no problem saying that if he wants more playing time he has to earn it, both in practice and in the series he does get to play. I mean really, is it too much to ask him to pick up a few first downs in a series? You want to reward him for mediocrity which I thought was against your conservative free market principles. I want Boyle to learn how to compete and be successful. You want him to be gifted snaps.
 
Palatine said:
Creating percentages is completely meaningless. You either win or lose. Zero sum game. Coaches over value practice, always have, always will. It's because they can control everything in practice. This is not possible in games and everyone responds differently to live bullets. Coaches make personnel mistakes all the time. But the bigger issue here is not giving a player a FAIR chance. Just like P with Nebrich. At this point there is zero value in playing Whitmer.
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This whole conversation wouldn't even be happening if they hadn't burned his RS for no reason.

But so far Boyle has been worse than Whitmer in game situations. I have no reason to think that changes THIS year with more PT. But that being said, at some point you have to let him play 1/2/3 complete games so you can see what we have.
 
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Exactly, we already know that Whitmer is terrible, let's see what Boyle can do. Whitmer hasn't beaten a FBS team in forever so isn't saying he gives us a better chance to win than Boyle a complete oxymoron.

J187Money said:
This whole conversation wouldn't even be happening if they hadn't burned his RS for no reason.

But so far Boyle has been worse than Whitmer in game situations. I have no reason to think that changes THIS year with more PT. But that being said, at some point you have to let him play 1/2/3 complete games so you can see what we have.
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husky91 said:
Exactly, we already know that Whitmer is terrible, let's see what Boyle can do. Whitmer hasn't beaten a FBS team in forever so isn't saying he gives us a better chance to win than Boyle a complete oxymoron.
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Not necessarily. Either QB has 0 FBS wins in however many games, but that doesn't mean their "chance to win" is zero, it means it's low. Saying Boyle has a better chance because CW has no wins is not a logical statement. It might be true, but it's not logical.

Let's try to agree on this - both QBs have faults. Boyle's ceiling might be higher. But having a higher ceiling does not guarantee wins.
 
When the QB plays OL, RB, WR, TE, DL, LB, FS/SS, DB, LS, K, P, and Gunner then we can start giving them full credit wins, or full blame for losses.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Yup, and winning 5 in a row in 2010 was also out of the question.

The spread offense we displayed on Thursday gives me a glimmer of hope, I just wish we were using the spread in game one vs BYU but I guess a new coach has a learning curve too. I respect that he is man enough to make changes during the season and not stubbornly stick with what was not working the way P did. Now if we could only get him to blitz on occasion when the ball is not in the red zone. He turns into Don Brown when it is in the red zone. The defense is very good but would be better if it were more unpredictable.
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Don't be such a frontrunner metsguy.......they're fn awful this year, UMass would have their way with them and that sucks in a huge way. It's time to think about next year and beyond, not this year.
 
Whether you favor Whitmer playing out the string or Boyle getting valuable game experience for the future, the one rational idea I would endorse is letting Boyle play at least three successive series. The three downs and hit the bench routine is neither confidence boosting nor helpful for team chemistry. I'd like to see Tim come into a game knowing that if he didn't move the team on that one series he would have a few more successive chances to adjust and perform---both in executing plays and leading the team with confidence.
 
junglehusky said:
Show me where it says that QB competitions have to be fair. Or life for that matter. I have no problem with setting a higher standard for Boyle, a younger player who in theory should be the QB of the future, than for the outgoing QB with the low ceiling. Boyle has had an opportunity in every game he's played to show he can learn the playbook and make decisions. I have no problem saying that if he wants more playing time he has to earn it, both in practice and in the series he does get to play. I mean really, is it too much to ask him to pick up a few first downs in a series? You want to reward him for mediocrity which I thought was against your conservative free market principles. I want Boyle to learn how to compete and be successful. You want him to be gifted snaps.
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Two receivers dropped Boyle TD passes against Boise late. Three plays against ECU and Tulane gives us no indication as to what Boyle can do. Whitmer has shown how tough he is and commited to the program he is on numerous occasions. The minute the Huskies are eliminated from the Bowl hunt Boyle should be the starter. Chandler had 2 shots to take the lead in the ECU game in the 4th Q and we went nowhere. Blame the play calls, blame the QB but we need to win a game and Boyle only has 2 years of eligibility left. A fool would play Chandler the most for the rest of the year. UNH beat Stoney Brook on Saturday. This concerns me. The Patriots drilled the Bears and DL line coach PP. This makes me happy.
 
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