Whitmer Supporters

[BlueMAB]

This is one of the most baffling things I have heard on the Boneyard. The O has more to worry about than the accuracy of the QB? You don't think his inability to hit open receivers impacts the WR's, OL performance and running game? And that is to say nothing the missed paasss impact on the overall psyche of the offense (and opposing defense for that matter).

So your argument is the struggling QB prevents the OL from opening holes because of their psyche?

Interesting.

How did we run the ball so well when we had a merry go round of below average quarterbacks?

We've gone multiple seasons without any sort of passing game, and yet we could still average more than 2.2 ypc against an FCS team. How quickly we forget.

 

[Stinger92860]

Then you wonder if we are terrible and he doesn't see the field does he just give up and transfer?

I think we should install the west coast offense the Giants are using. But seriously, we need to try the short game, 3 step drops, slants. We are not getting it done consistently throwing down field. You still need to do it, just not as much. How many screens did we throw today?

 

[BlueMAB]

This entire thread was developed to insult our leading rusher today. That's right. Whitmer was our leading rusher today with 29 yards on the ground, which includes any yardage he lost on sacks.

I would like everyone to ponder that comment for a moment...

In fairness. 4 RBs got carries. But I still agree with your point.

 

[UConnDan97]

In fairness. 4 RBs got carries. But I still agree with your point.

That's true.

So to be fair, I'll combine DeLorenzo, Johnson, and Marriner. That combination beats Whitmer by 2 yards...with five extra carries to do it...

 

[LRock34]

If you think the offense would be much better with a more accurate QB, well, I disagree..

WOW, just wow.

 

[BlueMAB]

WOW, just wow.

Our 4 RBs combined for 2 more yards than our QB with 5 more carries and that's including negative sack yardage and you think accuracy is the only problem with the offense.

WOW. just wow.

 

[RedStickHusky]

You're not answering the question. How does starting Whitmer benefit the program? When did I imply the that Boyle would be significantly better? If we are going to suck at QB lets at least work on improving the guy that will help the program long term. If Casey is not going to play that guy is Boyle.

I'll try -- I'm not convinced but this has to be the thinking: Boyle in 2017 when we're much better across the OL is worth sacrificing this year for. If you can't protect the QB this year and don't have a Taysom Hill, then you're throwing someone to the wolves... literally. I know HBCD can't say this outright but it's starting to look like he sees this season as a throw-away.

 

[LRock34]

I'm a Whitmer supporter.

I'm a Whitmer supporter primarily because I'm a UConn supporter. It never ceases to amaze me how many UConn supporters behave in a fashion that doesn't support UConn. I'm also a Cochran supporter, for full disclosure. And there would be no way in hell that I would support playing Cochran if he had a concussion today, no matter how bad of a game Whitmer had. And giving Boyle an extra year separation from Cochran is the right thing to do....

Oh jeez. Come down off your high horse for a moment. So I'm behaving in a manner unbefitting a good fan because I point out that the starting QB is playing terrible? "Whitmer Supporters" know who they are. Those that believed for some strange reason that he gave us a shot at winning 6 games. A few people made this argument this week and now I want to hear them defend that position after watching him today.

What I've heard in response is one obnoxious poster trying to convince us that the line is more to blame and insulting anyone who disagrees (laugh). And now you being holier than thou instead of simply talking football.

 

[Palatine]

I'll try -- I'm not convinced but this has to be the thinking: Boyle in 2017 when we're much better across the OL is worth sacrificing this year for. If you can't protect the QB this year and don't have a Taysom Hill, then you're throwing someone to the wolves... literally. I know HBCD can't say this outright but it's starting to look like he sees this season as a throw-away.

Throwing away years is never a good idea. You never know about injuries or if the league is going to have an up or down year or when someone suddenly exceeds expectations.

Every game should be played to be won. Every year. If you don't give our team the best chance to win today, you are cheating them.

 

[Dooley]

The entire offense, G Davis aside, needs to look in the mirror. The OL lost the line of scrimmage several times. The running backs looked tentative and didn't run nearly as hard as they did against BYU, save for a few runs by Newsome and Max. The WRs (not Davis) and TEs dropped some very catchable balls on the rare occasion that they got one. And Whitmer made horrendous decisions and throws.

To be honest, I didn't see much today that would lead me to believe that any QB on our roster will make much of a difference unless the team just has zero confidence in CW and plays accordingly. Was Whitmer terrible? Absolutely. But he wasn't alone out there contributing to the terrible.

That all said, I really hope Cochran comes back for Boise ONLY if he is 100% healthy and cleared by several medical doctors and his family. He's head and shoulders above Whitmer in being able to move the offense. I am 100% certain that we will lose to Boise if Whitmer plays the entire game. To be quite honest, I'm not all that sure we would win any game on our remaining schedule with Whitmer playing the whole game. Perhaps I'm overreacting to what I just watched a few hours ago, but there comes a point where you have to call a spade a spade...and a backup QB a backup QB. Whitmer is a backup level QB that should see the field only in mop-up time. I guess I'm saying: redshirt be damned. Play Boyle (if Cochran is out long-term). Like someone else pointed out, redshirts have been burned all over the place. Why hold onto this ONE?

 

[BlueMAB]

Oh jeez. Come down off your high horse for a moment. So I'm behaving in a manner unbefitting a good fan because I point out that the starting QB is playing terrible? "Whitmer Supporters" know who they are. Those that believed for some strange reason that he gave us a shot at winning 6 games. A few people made this argument this week and now I want to hear them defend that position after watching him today.

What I've heard in response is one obnoxious poster trying to convince us that the line is more to blame and insulting anyone who disagrees (laugh). And now you being holier than thou instead of simply talking football.

Actually I said it's way more than just the o-line but I've lowered my expectations for your level of comprehension.

 

[RedStickHusky]

Throwing away years is never a good idea. You never know about injuries or if the league is going to have an up or down year or when someone suddenly exceeds expectations.

Every game should be played to be won. Every year. If you don't give our team the best chance to win today, you are cheating them.

I think I agree with this, personally, and it may be a bad word choice on my part. A first year coach looking at what he inherited might be forced to assess that the best he can do in year 1 is to shape for subsequent years. Not deliberately choosing to throw away the year but recognizing some harsh reality.

 

[ZOOCONN]

Agreed. Our O-Line got manhandled by a FCS D-Line. The number of unblocked defenders getting into the backfield was embarrassing. Where were the holes for the running game everyone here wants us to run all the time??

The reason SB was in the backfield most of the game is because they didn't respect the pass, they were gonna stack the box and force us to beat them through the air and we didn't. If you remove Davis from the box score whitmer would have had 30 passing yards. That's atrocious, defenses are going to start doubling Davis and force our secondary receivers to make plays and as they showed today they aren't capable. If they can't get something going through the air aside from Davis we are in big trouble.

 

[BlueMAB]

The entire offense, G Davis aside, needs to look in the mirror. The OL lost the line of scrimmage several times. The running backs looked tentative and didn't run nearly as hard as they did against BYU, save for a few runs by Newsome and Max. The WRs (not Davis) and TEs dropped some very catchable balls on the rare occasion that they got one. And Whitmer made horrendous decisions and throws.

To be honest, I didn't see much today that would lead me to believe that any QB on our roster will make much of a difference unless the team just has zero confidence in CW and plays accordingly. Was Whitmer terrible? Absolutely. But he wasn't alone out there contributing to the terrible.

That all said, I really hope Cochran comes back for Boise ONLY if he is 100% healthy and cleared by several medical doctors and his family. He's head and shoulders above Whitmer in being able to move the offense. I am 100% certain that we will lose to Boise if Whitmer plays the entire game. To be quite honest, I'm not all that sure we would win any game on our remaining schedule with Whitmer playing the whole game. Perhaps I'm overreacting to what I just watched a few hours ago, but there comes a point where you have to call a spade a spade...and a backup QB a backup QB. Whitmer is a backup level QB that should see the field only in mop-up time. I guess I'm saying: redshirt be damned. Play Boyle (if Cochran is out long-term). Like someone else pointed out, redshirts have been burned all over the place. Why hold onto this ONE?

This is the only argument for playing Boyle that makes sense.

They've played all these true freshman but don't want to play Boyle?

Maybe they see in practice what we saw in the field last year.

But the backup QB is always the best QB.

 

[UConnDan97]

Oh jeez. Come down off your high horse for a moment. So I'm behaving in a manner unbefitting a good fan because I point out that the starting QB is playing terrible? "Whitmer Supporters" know who they are. Those that believed for some strange reason that he gave us a shot at winning 6 games. A few people made this argument this week and now I want to hear them defend that position after watching him today.

What I've heard in response is one obnoxious poster trying to convince us that the line is more to blame and insulting anyone who disagrees (laugh). And now you being holier than thou instead of simply talking football.

Did I call you out by name? No, I didn't. So you must be feeling guilty about something, huh.

As for defending how I think he can still help us win 6 games? Well, he won today without a rusher going for 30 yards. Not bad.

Look, he had a bad game. He made 3 really good throws and then added about 7 or 8 really bad ones (although thankfully, he didn't throw an INT). He missed a wide open touchdown. I'm not trying to argue that he had a good game. I'm sure he would tell you the same thing. All I'm telling you is that I am MUCH more worried about our lack of running game than our lack of passing game. Geremy Davis seems to get over 100 yards even when our QB performance sucks, so I'm not worried. But someone...SOMEONE!!!...has to run for more than 30 yards. Period.

Now, back on to my "high horse", I guess...

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Some people have called me a Whitmer supporter based on my lack of "all-in"-ness on Cochran. I have to say... Whitmer did not play well today as a passer. He had some nice rushes, but overall... yeah. No pocket presence. Aside from that TD pass to G. Davis, he has no touch... it was an ugly game. Not just for him. For everyone. But if Diaco thinks Boyle gives us the best chance to win games... okay, sure. Take off the redshirt. Otherwise, I don't know. This offense has so many issues it's hard to pin it on one guy, no matter how much he's not helping.

 

[Jimdish255]

Both Chandler and Whitmer were bad today. Missed a ton of open WR's.

What was irritating was listening to Diaco and Whitmer after the game. Whitmer said he had fun and Diaco was not even phased that we beat Stony brook by 3. We stunk. Fox saved the game.

If I were the coach I would have flipped out.

Best news all day is me not having heard that. Neither should have been satisfied with the performance, starting with the long-sleeved shirt! Chandler has not progressed, our o-line has a long way to go, and the play-calling was questionable at best. Again, Chandler works hard but he is not the guy. Casey's injury leaves us in a tough spot. Even though I believe Tim would benefit from reps and produce at a slightly better level with a great upside I hesitate to throw him in with a shaky front 5. But watching a senior zone in on one reciever then miss his only option got old a long time ago.

 

[B1GEast]

no need to bash the kid, hcbd will deal with it, kids and parents read these boards

 

[BlueMAB]

The reason SB was in the backfield most of the game is because they didn't respect the pass, they were gonna stack the box and force us to beat them through the air and we didn't.

I wonder why nobody thought of that against Donald Brown, Jordan Todman, Andre Dixon, or every Randy Edsall coached team after Dan Orlovsky?

 

[CTBasketball]

A few things.

1. The O-Line was pushed around by Stony Brook. No time in the pocket, no holes created for the RB's, etc. When I saw a pocket created, it collapsed within 1-2 seconds. Very rarely did the O-Line overwhelm Stony Brook's front. The only few times it did were during Valley's and Max's big gains. It was like holding back the flood gates with swiss cheese and paper towels. Not gonna work.
2. I want to credit Whitmer's inaccurate arm to lack of protection, but his most wild throws were when the pocket was somewhat stable. Whitmer just doesn't have it. I think if we had even an average QB, it would have been a 2 TD game.
3. Valley is the future. Had some miscues, but he has the best football instincts out of anyone.
4. Puyol looked good...
5. Whitmer was our leading rusher. Our rush heavy identity is a distant memory. We're pretending we're a smash-mouth team when we haven't been one in 4 years. Whitmer looked decent on the runs, but if the O-Line run blocked well, Max would have had over 50 yards easily.
6. Receivers dropped balls everywhere.
7. Secondary was bad. SB carved us up in the second half.
8. The front looked OK. Decent pressure, and good run stop. Yet again, we're playing SB. Not a big accomplishment.

In conclusion, I think we have the pieces to still make a bowl game, 6-6 or 7-6. Nothing more. But it definitely can go much much worse.

 

[Jimdish255]

I think we should install the west coast offense the Giants are using. But seriously, we need to try the short game, 3 step drops, slants. We are not getting it done consistently throwing down field. You still need to do it, just not as much. How many screens did we throw today?

Didn't we set up a touchdown with a screen and short pass. Was pleading for it and it worked. Then we never saw it again.

 

[UConnDan97]

I wonder why nobody thought of that against Donald Brown, Jordan Todman, Andre Dixon, or every Randy Edsall coached team after Dan Orlovsky?

Well, it's also because it isn't true. I remember vividly that the first throw from Whitmer to Davis was completed in between 4 defenders. 4. I almost crapped myself. At that point, I thought Whitmer was going to have an awesome day (that didn't work out). But I said to myself, "They can't even cover Davis with FOUR players!" So the idea that they kept everyone in the box is just not true...

 

[BoatShow]

Yeah sure he's "fast" but there are so many times where he has a chance tuck and run for decent gains but chucks it away or looks to get out of bounds instead. His composure/decision making is sad.

 

[bigAbruns]

Didn't we set up a touchdown with a screen and short pass. Was pleading for it and it worked. Then we never saw it again.

That's because there is yet another inept OC.

 

[Stinger92860]

That's because there is yet another inept OC.

We may have a winner here. I have no idea, but now he gets to call his own plays, just sayin.....

 

[Dooley]

The reason SB was in the backfield most of the game is because they didn't respect the pass, they were gonna stack the box and force us to beat them through the air and we didn't. If you remove Davis from the box score whitmer would have had 30 passing yards. That's atrocious, defenses are going to start doubling Davis and force our secondary receivers to make plays and as they showed today they aren't capable. If they can't get something going through the air aside from Davis we are in big trouble.

Couldn't agree more. Davis really is a one-man show out there and that doesn't bode well for us for the rest of this season.

 

[RedStickHusky]

play calling checklist:
1 - can we block it?
2 - can we make the throw?

probably not dealing with a robust playbook at that point....

 

[UConnDan97]

Didn't we set up a touchdown with a screen and short pass. Was pleading for it and it worked. Then we never saw it again.

I was thinking the same thing. I think we need to mix up a little more of the "short game" in the playcalling. Get our playmakers the ball early and often. Simplify the game and take away the constant need for pocket presence, which Whitmer struggles with. I'm surprised we haven't gone this route a lot more, with either QB...

 

[ZOOCONN]

Well, it's also be:/cause it isn't true. I remember vividly that the first throw from Whitmer to Davis was completed in between 4 defenders. 4. I almost crapped myself. At that point, I thought Whitmer was going to have an awesome day (that didn't work out). But I said to myself, "They can't even cover Davis with FOUR players!" So the idea that they kept everyone in the box is just not true...

Do you know where the box is? because there wasn't a defender lined up more than 5-7 yards off the LOS the entire game. You can still stack the box and have defensive backs or "players" as you call them cover the wideouts.

 

[Jimdish255]

That's because there is yet another inept OC.

It was a screen then a run both by Max. Then a nice TD pass. They were loading the box all half and blitzing but our coaches couldn't figure a way to make them pay.