Whitmer puts up 3 in first half

[ZooCougar]

Except for that Frazer guy...who ended up leading us to a BCS game...but other than that...

Comparatively speaking, he was better than Whitmer, but Frazer got worse every year under Edsall. His best year was 2009, when he was actually really good. But like all QBs not named Orlovsky, he got worse the more he played.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

It's hilarious that you can look at a guy with an o-10 won/loss record and think, "His back up doesn't deserve a chance."

I actually didn't say that. I did say I would start Boyle. But quite frankly, I don't think it matters that much. Between the turnovers at running back (by all) and the truly atrocious O-line, I do not think it's going to make a significant difference, and I suspect whatever development Boyle gets this season may well be counteracted by the possibility of psychological damage from taking a ton of hits behind that O-line.

I'm also a little unsure where you got that record.

 

[CTBasketball]

I actually didn't say that. I did say I would start Boyle. But quite frankly, I don't think it matters that much. Between the turnovers at running back (by all) and the truly atrocious O-line, I do not think it's going to make a significant difference, and I suspect whatever development Boyle gets this season may well be counteracted by the possibility of psychological damage from taking a ton of hits behind that O-line.

I'm also a little unsure where you got that record.

It matters because if Boyle doesn't start and grab the reigns to the program by the end of the year, he's likely going to transfer at the end of this season. Especially if Diaco throws him into a QB competition with Davis and Shirreffs.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Most important post of this thread (and many others).

My only gripe with this position of yours is that nothing stopped you and a few others from posting about stuff that supposedly happened behind closed doors the last 3 years. I wouldn't trust anything I heard from player's parents. Not saying they're dishonest but they're hardly an unbiased spectator in all of this.

 

[freescooter]

It matters because if Boyle doesn't start and grab the reigns to the program by the end of the year, he's likely going to transfer at the end of this season. Especially if Diaco throws him into a QB competition with Davis and Shirreffs.

And that matters why? I don't get the whole "Boyle is special" stuff at all. I think you can make a case for starting him, but as I've posted before it is essentially based on a need to change the psychology of the team, and occasionally a new qb does that, and a desire to find out if he is the real deal or a career back up . That will be important in terms of who we look at bringing in next year. If Boyle isn't the real deal, we will likely need to find a JUCO to come in and compete for the job next season.

 

[Palatine]

And that matters why? I don't get the whole "Boyle is special" stuff at all. I think you can make a case for starting him, but as I've posted before it is essentially based on a need to change the psychology of the team, and occasionally a new qb does that, and a desire to find out if he is the real deal or a career back up . That will be important in terms of who we look at bringing in next year. If Boyle isn't the real deal, we will likely need to find a JUCO to come in and compete for the job next season.

Give Boyle a chance. Give him a start. What is so radical about that when your current starter has no wins this century.

 

[freescooter]

I don't disagree. I'd start him just to see and for the reasons I listed. We're 1-5. What's the worst that will happen, 1-6? And I'd give Johnson the start at running back, too. He is a good back, and he protects the football.

 

[noeynox]

And that matters why? I don't get the whole "Boyle is special" stuff at all. I think you can make a case for starting him, but as I've posted before it is essentially based on a need to change the psychology of the team, and occasionally a new qb does that, and a desire to find out if he is the real deal or a career back up . That will be important in terms of who we look at bringing in next year. If Boyle isn't the real deal, we will likely need to find a JUCO to come in and compete for the job next season.

Boyle has gotten a raw deal here. He was rushed into action as true freshman on a bad team with a terrible oline play and we are surprised he struggled with interceptions? Then he was supposed to be redshirted this year, and then when the starter gets hut hurt that plan is scrapped so he can get a meaningless series here and there?

I don't know if Boyle will ever be the answer here. I didn't like his body language when he came in the game against Tulane and they showed him in dthe huddle. Again, who could be shocked if his confidence level is shot at the moment given how he has been treated. Seriously, If I were him and his family, I would seriously question if he is ever going to get a fair shot here or not.

At the very least, once we are mathematically eliminated from bowl contention, they should just let him play if he is healthy. None of this having to worry he is coming out if he makes a mistake or not. At the very least it would give him and the program both an idea of whether or not he has a future here. His first two years here have been mismanaged by the coaches, Diaco included.