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Have any of us seen Sheriffs play ???

Like everyone here, i hope he's friggin great...but he was moved to FB at NC State (not exactly a great team)

Also, we haven't had very good luck with transfers in general (another area in which we seem to be "unlucky")

I really hope he's good...but who knows
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
Also, we haven't had very good luck with transfers in general (another area in which we seem to be "unlucky")
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Except for that Frazer guy...who ended up leading us to a BCS game...but other than that... ;)
 
I love how people want to trot out the INT lines for Boyle. Look, I get it that he's looked horrible for the one set of downs he's been given. However, has he been given the chance to prove he can bounce back and put up solid numbers? The answer is no. Last year he was a true freshman so while he was given three games to show what he had, it was last year. No one on this board knows where he's at right now in his development and until he's given a total game to play neither the CW bandwagon nor the TB bandwagon can claim they know that Boyle can't lead this team. Why is Whitmer given such a long leash for all the errors he causes but Boyle makes one mistake and is done.

I agree with Whaler that Boyle's probably not in the plans for Diaco. However, I can't stand people claiming that Boyle could not lead this team to some wins because he just throws INTs. The kid isn't given enough plays in a game to prove what he can do after he makes mistakes. If you were put in a game with the knowledge that if you screw up then your done for the game, you'd probably make tons of mistakes as well. That's unnecessary pressure being put on the kid.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Except for that Frazer guy...who ended up leading us to a BCS game...but other than that... ;)
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That was an 8 win season wherein we lost to Temple.

Frazer did fine during certain stretches, and was awful during others. At the time, many of us were begging for Endres.

That being said, i agree that he was one of the good ones, especially by comparison. I don't think all of our transfers have been bad....just most.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
That was an 8 win season wherein we lost to Temple.

Frazer did fine during certain stretches, and was awful during others. At the time, many of us were begging for Endres.

That being said, i agree that he was one of the good ones, especially by comparison. I don't think all of our transfers have been bad....just most.
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That was an 8 win season where the players lost a teammate. And it was an 8 win season against a quality Big East. I would stab someone in the eye for an 8 win season again...
 
UConnDan97 said:
That was an 8 win season where the players lost a teammate. And it was an 8 win season against a quality Big East. I would stab someone in the eye for an 8 win season again...
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Thats fair. It was a tough season. I definitely agree about the stabbing in the eye.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
That was an 8 win season where the players lost a teammate. And it was an 8 win season against a quality Big East. I would stab someone in the eye for an 8 win season again...
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No, wait...i just realized...they lost a teammate the year before.

Still...i would kill for 8 wins
 
UCFBfan said:
No one on this board knows where he's at right now in his development and until he's given a total game to play neither the CW bandwagon nor the TB bandwagon can claim they know that Boyle can't lead this team.

If you were put in a game with the knowledge that if you screw up then your done for the game, you'd probably make tons of mistakes as well. That's unnecessary pressure being put on the kid.
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On the first point - I think we all know where Boyle is in his development - behind. That can easily be determined by the quotes of the Head Coach. In my opinion, if he was close to CW you would have heard at 51/49 split once CC went down for the year, but you didnt. I say let him play too - sure, why not at this point.

On point two - listen, thats football. If you cant protect the ball you sit - ask Arkeel. Thats not unnecessary pressure - its part of football. Protect the ball or I will find someone else who can. Maybe that is part of the Boyle development, struggle with the pressures that come with being a D1 athlete. Keep in my mind, we only have 2 QB's, 2.5 if you count Foxx.

Yes, Chandler has made mistakes, absolutely, but by the number of snaps, TB makes many more per snap.

Again - put him in and I will cheer wildly for him to be successful, and I will also point out the screw ups as well. Lets be honest, Saturday night interception was BAD. He stared down that receiver and everyone knew he was going to throw there, even the guys in green.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
Have any of us seen Sheriffs play ???

Like everyone here, i hope he's friggin great...but he was moved to FB at NC State (not exactly a great team)

Also, we haven't had very good luck with transfers in general (another area in which we seem to be "unlucky")

I really hope he's good...but who knows
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Or the Lorenzen guy who led us to a share of a conference championship. Truth is we've had better luck with Juco QBs than recruiting them out of HS.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
That was an 8 win season wherein we lost to Temple.

Frazer did fine during certain stretches, and was awful during others. At the time, many of us were begging for Endres.

That being said, i agree that he was one of the good ones, especially by comparison. I don't think all of our transfers have been bad....just most.
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And it was our best season ever. Sometimes the guy is the starter for a reason. There are other guys on the field that the QB. We aren't exactly Quarterback U, so I don't know what you are expecting. I'm expecting a guy who doesn't turn the ball over and can make enough throws to keep defenses honest.

We don't have that guy on the roster right now and the closest thing to it is the guy playing. Find a way to win with what you have.

Btw, through 6 games he has 3 Ints, one was the Davis drop and another was late against Boise when we were way behind. He has one bad INT this season.

If told that would be the case half way through the season on Aug 1st, this place would be planning bowl trips. CW for his limitations isn't the problem here.
 
At this stage it should be either:

100 pct Boyle - ride or die

100 pct Foxx - if we are going to run that offense next year

Nothing else makes any sense to me.
 
J187Money said:
At this stage it should be either:

100 pct Boyle - ride or die

100 pct Foxx - if we are going to run that offense next year

Nothing else makes any sense to me.
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I think we should play Boyle at right tackle. Makes just as much sense.
 
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UCFBfan said:
I love how people want to trot out the INT lines for Boyle. Look, I get it that he's looked horrible for the one set of downs he's been given. However, has he been given the chance to prove he can bounce back and put up solid numbers? The answer is no. Last year he was a true freshman so while he was given three games to show what he had, it was last year. No one on this board knows where he's at right now in his development and until he's given a total game to play neither the CW bandwagon nor the TB bandwagon can claim they know that Boyle can't lead this team. Why is Whitmer given such a long leash for all the errors he causes but Boyle makes one mistake and is done.

I agree with Whaler that Boyle's probably not in the plans for Diaco. However, I can't stand people claiming that Boyle could not lead this team to some wins because he just throws INTs. The kid isn't given enough plays in a game to prove what he can do after he makes mistakes. If you were put in a game with the knowledge that if you screw up then your done for the game, you'd probably make tons of mistakes as well. That's unnecessary pressure being put on the kid.
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Because when you finished 3rd in the QB competition its on you to earn playing time, and take advantage of the opportunities you've had. He hasn't done that in games, and apparently not in practice either. Throwing a pick on your only possession isn't going to get you on the field.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
No, wait...i just realized...they lost a teammate the year before.

Still...i would kill for 8 wins
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You're correct. That's my bad. This season has been so tough that I'm forgetting recent history.

Also, I really wish that I could edit my post, because I re-read it and realized how horrible it sounds that I refer to Jasper Howard in one sentence and then I talk about "stabbing someone in the eye for 8 wins" in the next. Horrible.

If the mods can help me out, I'd love to take a mulligan on that post. I'm not feeling very good about it...
 
If an outsider cane in and spent a decent amount of time observing our fan base he would walk away scratching his head.

We had a transfer QB who led us to a bowl win, in the heart of SEC territory against South Carolina and then took us to the Fiesta bowl but most here (and in the stands) couldn't wait for him to run out of eligibility. Now at least one poster on this board is holding him up as a successful transfer.

We had a coach who took us from (literally) nothing to five bowl games in seven seasons, two partial championships of a BCS conference and a BCS bowl game yet there were more posters here knocking him than supporting him along the way (while deriding those who supported him as apologistas). Recently a poster here commented on our current head coach, comparing him to the head coach who did lead us to every bowl game we've participated in, believing that the comparison was an insult to the current head coach.

When speaking of the success that we did have, many of our fans (and posters here) spend their time emphasizing the shortcomings (the loss at West Virginia in 2007, losing to Temple in 2010) rather than appreciate the accomplishments.

In many ways we are our own worst enemies.
 
I just think it's hilarious that anybody can look at a guy with a 0-to-10 TD-to-INT ratio and think, "That is definitely the guy."
 
Irish Loop said:
I just think it's hilarious that anybody can look at a guy with a 0-to-10 TD-to-INT ratio and think, "That is definitely the guy."
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I'm not sure anyone is saying he's definitely the guy but is the alternative any better or giving us wins? I think what most are saying is that if Boyle is going to get a shot next season, what does it hurt to let him start a few games this season and see what happens. Worst thing that happens is we lose which at this point we've seemed to have mastered.
 
UCFBfan said:
I'm not sure anyone is saying he's definitely the guy but is the alternative any better or giving us wins? I think what most are saying is that if Boyle is going to get a shot next season, what does it hurt to let him start a few games this season and see what happens. Worst thing that happens is we lose which at this point we've seemed to have mastered.
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Worst thing is that he gets really hurt or demoralized/mentally unfit playing behind that O-line and never really recovers. There are worse things than losing football games. People act as if it's a risk-free move, and I am not sure I think it is.

I mean, I'd start him, but I don't think it's one of those 100% totally obviously right things that Palatine implies it is.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
If an outsider cane in and spent a decent amount of time observing our fan base he would walk away scratching his head.

We had a transfer QB who led us to a bowl win, in the heart of SEC territory against South Carolina and then took us to the Fiesta bowl but most here (and in the stands) couldn't wait for him to run out of eligibility. Now at least one poster on this board is holding him up as a successful transfer.

We had a coach who took us from (literally) nothing to five bowl games in seven seasons, two partial championships of a BCS conference and a BCS bowl game yet there were more posters here knocking him than supporting him along the way (while deriding those who supported him as apologistas). Recently a poster here commented on our current head coach, comparing him to the head coach who did lead us to every bowl game we've participated in, believing that the comparison was an insult to the current head coach.

When speaking of the success that we did have, many of our fans (and posters here) spend their time emphasizing the shortcomings (the loss at West Virginia in 2007, losing to Temple in 2010) rather than appreciate the accomplishments.

In many ways we are our own worst enemies.
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I wanted Zach Frazer to start, and play over Endres. Frazer couldn't throw a spiral to save his life, but he could get the ball in the general vicinity - unlike Lorenzen who couldn't hit the side of a barn. Endres threw like a pro, but I didn't want him playing. I was accused by posters of being Frazer's dad.
 
UCFBfan said:
I'm not sure anyone is saying he's definitely the guy but is the alternative any better or giving us wins? I think what most are saying is that if Boyle is going to get a shot next season, what does it hurt to let him start a few games this season and see what happens. Worst thing that happens is we lose which at this point we've seemed to have mastered.
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You really think he is going to be here next year, dont you?


It could hurt team morale, his own confidence and/or the confidence of others...theres a lot it can hurt. Its NOT just about TB - this is a team. Plus we have NO IDEA what goes on at practice and behind closed doors - for all we know the leg pain sit game was discipline...His coach said he lacked intensity and such - but who cares about the other 10 guys - let him play...
 
Carl Spackler said:
I wanted Zach Frazer to start, and play over Endres. Frazer couldn't throw a spiral to save his life, but he could get the ball in the general vicinity - unlike Lorenzen who couldn't hit the side of a barn. Endres threw like a pro, but I didn't want him playing. I was accused by posters of being Frazer's dad.
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better than being accused as being his Mom...

:-)
 
In normal circumstances I would not play Boyle based on his performances but this is not normal times. We have a senior QB who makes bad decisions and throws with or without pressure and is 1-9 in his starts the last two years and the one win was saved by Foxx's punt return. We are at the most looking at three wins and not sure if we even beat Army if they go nine in the box and we keep trying to run. See what we have in Boyle so can make decisions going into next year. Hope he does well, but need to know regardless. Would not be happy if we played out the string with Whitmer, see Boyle transfer and have a redshirt transfer year and then have two productive seasons elsewhere. At this point I will take having the team playing for the future than the dismal present.
 
Irish Loop said:
I just think it's hilarious that anybody can look at a guy with a 0-to-10 TD-to-INT ratio and think, "That is definitely the guy."
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It's hilarious that you can look at a guy with an o-10 won/loss record and think, "His back up doesn't deserve a chance."
 
Bonehead said:
we have NO IDEA what goes on at practice and behind closed doors .
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Most important post of this thread (and many others).
 
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Bonehead said:
You really think he is going to be here next year, dont you?


It could hurt team morale, his own confidence and/or the confidence of others...theres a lot it can hurt. Its NOT just about TB - this is a team. Plus we have NO IDEA what goes on at practice and behind closed doors - for all we know the leg pain sit game was discipline...His coach said he lacked intensity and such - but who cares about the other 10 guys - let him play...
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Honestly, I don't think he'll be here next year. However, that could change if he performs well in games when given the chance. I really don't know. I agree with you that we don't know what is going on in practice. What I do know is that our current QB is not getting it done.

I just think it's crazy that people are now at the point where they're ready to write Boyle off as gone and transferring and that is ok when we have ZERO clue what our QB situation will be next year. You have a NC State transfer and an incoming frosh who runs well more than he throws. So we'll either be starting a transfer QB or a true freshmen. That thought doesn't make me feel like we're in for a better season next year.

So what does it hurt to start him, whether or not he's staying. The whole thing just boggles my mind and there is no answer.

We can all argue this over and over and no one here will know the result. However, we'll never know what he could have done either if he's not given the chance this season to show what he can do. Regardless, it's up to Diaco and that's the bottom line....
 
UCFBfan said:
Honestly, I don't think he'll be here next year. However, that could change if he performs well in games when given the chance. I really don't know. I agree with you that we don't know what is going on in practice. What I do know is that our current QB is not getting it done.

I just think it's crazy that people are now at the point where they're ready to write Boyle off as gone and transferring and that is ok when we have ZERO clue what our QB situation will be next year. You have a NC State transfer and an incoming frosh who runs well more than he throws. So we'll either be starting a transfer QB or a true freshmen. That thought doesn't make me feel like we're in for a better season next year.

So what does it hurt to start him, whether or not he's staying. The whole thing just boggles my mind and there is no answer.

We can all argue this over and over and no one here will know the result. However, we'll never know what he could have done either if he's not given the chance this season to show what he can do. Regardless, it's up to Diaco and that's the bottom line....
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Well said -

Play Boyle at this point - I will cheer wildly for him - but in CW defense his numbers last game were almost identical to the winning teams QB - there is more to Boyle than any of us know, that is for sure - whether it is injury, lack of confidence and intensity, whatever, there is a back story in my opinion. I dont understand how he hasnt played more at this point as well - unless the coach has no confidence in his abilities, which wouldnt make sense when he palys 2-8 snaps a game.
 
I think they are just giving Boyle limited playing time to see if he can show them something. If he does than they can increase his time, so far he hasn't done anything to show he deserves more playing time. Before the season Diaco spoke not just about redshirting him but protecting him, and referenced how he was mishandled last year. Throwing him out there for a full game when he's not ready, and it's a terrible situation for any QB would be making the same mistake as last year
 
One thing that was glaring last season (and I believe that this played a large role in Diaco's multiple comments on how more than one QB would play) was that once a QB lost his starting job he was banished to oblivion. I don't know what the correct answer is here but I do know that someone with an actual football background should be able to make a better decision on this than any one of us. Add to the equation the fact that he also has significantly more knowledge of the situation than any of us has, believing that our opinion is the better decision is comical.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
One thing that was glaring last season (and I believe that this played a large role in Diaco's multiple comments on how more than one QB would play) was that once a QB lost his starting job he was banished to oblivion. I don't know what the correct answer is here but I do know that someone with an actual football background should be able to make a better decision on this than any one of us. Add to the equation the fact that he also has significantly more knowledge of the situation than any of us has, believing that our opinion is the better decision is comical.
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I'm not saying anyone is right but you could say the same thing about Weist and he didn't exactly bat 1.000.
 
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