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Whitmer is not a good QB. That's not debatable. He turns the ball over way too much to be considered good.

I think people are rating him as good or average in comparison to what we've trotted out at QB the past decade.

Obviously Orlovsky was an NFL talent, but aside from that the only good QB play we've seen was 2007 Tyler before his injury and 2010 second half Frazer (Papa Johns team).

Just because Whitmer is slightly less deplorable than Johnny Mc or Bones, doesn't mean he's good.
 
Whitmer is not the answer at qb, but I don't burn Boyle's redshirt. Assuming that Coach P. is done after the season, The new coach has to do a quick & thorough evaluation of the situation. He has to assure all the signalcallers that there's an open competition for next season's starting position.
I'm tired of Whitmer's locking onto his primary receiver when there are other receivers open, his refusal to run & take the yardage being given to him by the defense (eg. choosing to throw the ball out of bounds instead of taking a 5 yard running gain), & his general lack of mobility. While the o-line doesn't make life easier for him, he is only a competant backup in my mind.
 
I would burn Boyle's redshirt. We have games we can win and we need to win. Whitmer not running in the 4th Q by the Michigan bench showed a continued lack of gamesmenship. That is a decision that requires instinct and really a will to win. You can't just throw it OOB's and go back to the huddle. We have Newsome coming in next year and I would want Boyle to have experience rather than starting 2 rookies. Remember our early schedule next year requires we are on top of our game to win. Watching pregame throws by the QB's Boyle is the best looking option. Thinking ahead to 2017 is not the right play here. We need to win now, we've got 9 games left, the season is not lost yet. I would not burn the redshirt after game 6.
 
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Whitmer is the least of this team's problems and is the best QB we've had since Dan O. He still makes some poor decisions, but so do 90% of the other QBs in college football. For the life of me I don't know why we would want to burn Boyle's shirt this season.
 
The only thing Whitmer does wrong consistently, is throw back breaking interceptions late in games. Unfortunately, among all the things he can be doing wrong, that one hurts the offense, and by extension the whole team, the most. I'd rather have a guy with a funny throwing motion, and a knuckle ball rather than a spiral, than a QB that does this regularly. What I'd REALLY rather have is a balanced offense, that can score points efficiently on offensive possessions.

Because as the third quarter turns into the fourth, you've got at most 3-5 offensive possesions left in a game and our offense is not efficient at turning offensive possessions into points regularly so if we are down on the scoreboard or in a one possession game, that kind of turnover is disaster for us. The ball he threw last night that was picked in the second half, should not have been thrown into that coverage. THe ball that got picked against Maryland last week, should have pulled it down and taken the sack. These things have become a trend that has not improved yet.
 
I would play Boyle if he is any good. Redshirts are pointless unless a kid needs to put on weight to play his position. We will sign a QB next year, and each year after that. I'm not going to worry about Tim Boyle possibly playing 5 years from now.
 
I think the decision to not tuck and run on the play before the sack was worse. He had the potential to get into field goal range on the run alone. He is just about as slow as Tyler Olander with his shoes on the wrong feet though so its hard to say.
 
BoatShow said:
I think the decision to not tuck and run on the play before the sack was worse. He had the potential to get into field goal range on the run alone. He is just about as slow as Tyler Olander with his shoes on the wrong feet though so its hard to say.
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Whitmer is not slow and has average to decent speed. I would be willing to bet that he is a lot faster than either Cochran or Boyle.
 
If you think Boyle can do better than Whitmer, you put him in. Even if the O-line is still having issues - maybe he can handle the pressure a bit better. See if he can cut down on 2-3 mistakes a game, which contributed to losing to Michigan last night. With the caveat that whoever comes in can still get injured, and that it might take more than 1 game to get to / surpass Whitmer's level of production and of course any new QB can still make mistakes. I am a bit curious to see if Boyle can learn from game situations quickly, supposedly he was doing well picking up the playbook which got him to the depth chart.
 
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"It was just a simple zone coverage," Morgan said. "I just dropped back and did what I was coached to do, kind of read off his eyes and lo and behold he threw it that way so I was just trying to jump up and make the play on it. Once I got the ball in my hands I was just trying to follow the blockers."

-Desmond Morgan on the late interception.
 
Excalibur said:
In listing what is wrong with our offense, anyone who has Whitmer at or near the top of the list is, well, not bright.
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While he may not be at the top of the list due to the lines inability to block is he the answer? College football programs are about getting better and he won't be the guy next year, either Cochran or Boyle will. If PP didn't learn from the Johnny Video fiasco and wasted year why would he now? But this year is about getting better prepared for next year already and they can't afford their best interests for the future not to gain experience as we speak. Needs to happen plus Whitmer just isn't too good, better than McIntee but not good enough to throw away a chance to get some experience for one of the others.
 
uconndogs said:
Whitmer is not slow and has average to decent speed. I would be willing to bet that he is a lot faster than either Cochran or Boyle.
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Doesn't mean he has better and smarter feet.......he walks into things too fast, has happy feet too often and never utilizes that one step that sometimes gives you space on a rusher because of angle. The kid's okay but he's not the answer for the future. If people want to just get through the year with an okay QB and keep your backup's healthy then I guess he's the guy. I would think the program would prefer to being to find the answer now.
 
junglehusky said:
If you think Boyle can do better than Whitmer, you put him in. Even if the O-line is still having issues - maybe he can handle the pressure a bit better. See if he can cut down on 2-3 mistakes a game, which contributed to losing to Michigan last night. With the caveat that whoever comes in can still get injured, and that it might take more than 1 game to get to / surpass Whitmer's level of production and of course any new QB can still make mistakes. I am a bit curious to see if Boyle can learn from game situations quickly, supposedly he was doing well picking up the playbook which got him to the depth chart.
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Witmer is a decent passer when given time.
His slow feet require him to have substantial pass protection.
Our lack of a running game gives the defense only our passing game to worry about. Is pretty easy to play defense against a one dimensional team. It also gives our QB less time to pass. (You don't have to stay home for the playfake.
Pass blocking isn't that bad Witmers slow feet make it seem worse than it actually is.
The problem with the offense is twofold. The offenive line is an extremely weak group of run blockers made worse by lack of a real running back threat.
If we have. a QB with quickness who can turn the defensive rush against them and have a good as good an arm as the currrnent QB,
he should be playing. A one dimentionsl scambler unless he has incredible ability won't help.
Its the offensive line stupid

It really isn't about play calling its about execution.
Last years Alabama team could tell you the play in advance and get positive yardage. If you getting blown off the line of scrimmage the play doesn't matter.
To answer the question. Yes Witmer has an FSB arm. we have to find a running game to give him a chance to use it.











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uconndogs said:
Whitmer is the least of this team's problems and is the best QB we've had since Dan O. He still makes some poor decisions, but so do 90% of the other QBs in college football. For the life of me I don't know why we would want to burn Boyle's shirt this season.
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No way we should burn Boyle's redshirt unless there is a rash of injuries. However, Whitmer is terrible. True, he has no offensive line, but he should show better poise and decision making than he does. The plays that really irked me was one when he was running right and easily had a five yard gain in front of him and he threw the ball away. He seemed to have no idea of what the situation was. The ultimate was in the second half on a play in which he had so much time he could have written a novel. He then proceeds to throw a pass into Michigan coverage for an interception. The specter of him at QB the rest of this season and, shudder, next season, is frightening. Time to give Cochrane or Taylor a shot. We can't do any worse than 0-3 with someone else at the helm. It would have been tough to bring them in against MD or MI, but we have Buffalo and USF the next two weeks. The back-ups need to get some reps in those games to see what they've got, and in case Whitmer is injured. They also need to give Max Delorenzo more carries. McCoombs is a joke.
 
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junglehusky said:
If you think Boyle can do better than Whitmer, you put him in. Even if the O-line is still having issues - maybe he can handle the pressure a bit better. See if he can cut down on 2-3 mistakes a game, which contributed to losing to Michigan last night. With the caveat that whoever comes in can still get injured, and that it might take more than 1 game to get to / surpass Whitmer's level of production and of course any new QB can still make mistakes. I am a bit curious to see if Boyle can learn from game situations quickly, supposedly he was doing well picking up the playbook which got him to the depth chart.
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CAn't do any worse than 0-3!
 
hthusky74 said:
No way we should burn Boyle's redshirt unless there is a rash of injuries. However, Whitmer is terrible. True, he has no offensive line, but he should show better poise and decision making than he does. The plays that really irked me was one when he was running right and easily had a five yard gain in front of him and he threw the ball away. He seemed to have no idea of what the situation was. The ultimate was in the second half on a play in which he had so much time he could have written a novel. He then proceeds to throw a pass into Michigan coverage for an interception. The specter of him at QB the rest of this season and, shudder, next season, is frightening. Time to give Cochrane or Taylor a shot. We can't do any worse than 0-3 with someone else at the helm. It would have been tough to bring them in against MD or MI, but we have Buffalo and USF the next two weeks. The back-ups need to get some reps in those games to see what they've got, and in case Whitmer is injured. They also need to give Max Delorenzo more carries. McCoombs is a joke.
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Not sure I understand the rationale that there is "No way we should burn Boyle's redshirt" but in the same breath it's okay to burn Taylor's red shirt?
 
Carl Spackler said:
"It was just a simple zone coverage," Morgan said. "I just dropped back and did what I was coached to do, kind of read off his eyes and lo and behold he threw it that way so I was just trying to jump up and make the play on it. Once I got the ball in my hands I was just trying to follow the blockers."

-Desmond Morgan on the late interception.
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There are times when I wonder if we don't utilize passing progressions or if Whitmer just gets determined on what he believes the best route will be at the snap and looks only there but on the interception he stared down the pattern from when he got the ball. Unfortunately, this is not the first time he has done this.
 
If Phillips was playing I'd say maybe put in Boyle. Without him you give him very little chance at success. No running game, lack of play makers and inconsistent OL play make it very possible you damage the goods.
 
So, why do I not see a lot of discussion of seeing what Cochrane can do? Not redshirt concerns, obviously. I'm ready to see what someone else can do at the position. Has Cochrane not looked good enough to handle the starting job at all?
 
UCHuskies08 said:
So, why do I not see a lot of discussion of seeing what Cochrane can do? Not redshirt concerns, obviously. I'm ready to see what someone else can do at the position. Has Cochrane not looked good enough to handle the starting job at all?
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I agree on Cochrane. They should plan for him to play the second quarter of buffalo game. He needs game reps in case Whitmer goes down plus we can see how he manages the game. The gators didn't think they had a good backup until Murphy got in the game. Give Cochrane a planned opportunity in a non-panic situation.
 
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huskymedic said:
Not sure I understand the rationale that there is "No way we should burn Boyle's redshirt" but in the same breath it's okay to burn Taylor's red shirt?
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Boyle is #2 on the depth chart. Taylor is #4. If Boyle is the man of the future, you want to extend his eligibility.
 
whaler11 said:
I'd be more concerned with burning Boyle's RS today because this offensive line may get him killed - not over 2017.
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Good point. Given our running game Witmer won't last too long
Smallwood may have to play QB at some point.
 
hthusky74 said:
Boyle is #2 on the depth chart. Taylor is #4. If Boyle is the man of the future, you want to extend his eligibility.
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This thought process is outdated. You can't worry about what may happen 5 years from now. If he can play (and that is a key piece), you don't worry about redshirts.
 
He had a couple good throws last night, but his mistakes outnumbered his bright spots. Geremy Davis made him look decent last night though.
 
If we had a credible running game, Whitmer would be fine. He made some great throws last night, and also some really bad ones. The Int. and scramble and throw with a wide open field were really bad lapses. The Oline really started collapsing in the 4th and Whitmer was heavily pressured.

Whitmer may not be great, but he is a reasonably capable guy sufficient for a season that is at best a minor disaster when all said and done. I wouldn't burn Boyle's RS on a 0-3 start, unless they intend to run him all the way through, thick or thin, to let him get reps and experience for next season.
 
BlueDogs said:
If we had a credible running game, Whitmer would be fine. He made some great throws last night, and also some really bad ones. The Int. and scramble and throw with a wide open field were really bad lapses. The Oline really started collapsing in the 4th and Whitmer was heavily pressured.

Whitmer may not be great, but he is a reasonably capable guy sufficient for a season that is at best a minor disaster when all said and done. I wouldn't burn Boyle's RS on a 0-3 start, unless they intend to run him all the way through, thick or thin, to let him get reps and experience for next season.
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Here is the thing. Whitmer will not single handedly win you a game, but his turnovers will single handedly will lose a game for you. It is getting to the point where you are wondering when his crucial turnover is coming.
 
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