Where will UConn come in on ESPN's 50 in 50?

[tzznandrew]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/62654/introducing-the-50-in-50-series

Basically goes back to 1962 and weighs a program's success for a season. I imagine Top 10 (advantage is that conference titles mean something, and UConn had a bunch of Yankee Conference titles in the 60s).

Going back that far, I imagine that the Top 4 looks something like:

UCLA
UNC
Duke
Kentucky

The rest is difficult: Kansas has only 2 titles in the time period. Michigan State has 2 titles, and a ton of Final Fours. As does Louisville. UConn has 3 titles, but fewer Final Fours.

 

[johnhuskies95]

Most of the conference championships before Calhoun were from the 50's, I think.

 

[caw]

Most of the conference championships before Calhoun were from the 50's, I think.

15 regular season since 1962: 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1970, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006​

 

[partial]

since they clearly spelled out their system it wouldn't be hard to calculate the scores and rankings if one's that interested.

 

[Gregory Koch]

Postseason ban carries a penalty, so does recruiting violation, so does loss of financial aid. That will hurt us.

Also, UConn has become a more recent powerhouse, so I think we'll be further down than we might be on, say, a "20 in 20" list.

 

[caw]

So:

Conference Champions = 15 for 75 points
Tournament Champions = 7 for 21 points
W%?
#1 seeds?
NCAAT - 24 for 24 points
12-16 seed wins?
2nd round loss?
Sweet Sixteen loss = 5 for 25 points
Elite Eight loss = 6 for 60 points
Final Four loss = 1 for 15 points
Championship game loss = 0 for 0 points
NC = 3 for 75 points
NIT Championship = 1 for 1 point
AA: First Team + Second Team = 5 and 8? for 31 points
Top 10 NBA picks = 11 (Drummond, Kemba, Thabeet, Gay, Charlie, Okafor, Gordon, Butler, Rip, Ray, Donyell, is that it?) for 22 points
Vacated seasons = 1 (1996) for -2 points
Infractions =? but at least -5

So in total that's at least 349 points for and 7 against.

Note: NCState is 43rd with 194 points

 

[Gregory Koch]

According to Wikipedia, Calhoun has 2 second round losses. Before him, I don't know. But at least two total.

I don't believe we've ever been a 12-16 seed, so we probably have no wins as them.

Also, did you count the 1996 conference title and Sweet 16, and will ESPN?

 

[caw]

According to Wikipedia, Calhoun has 2 second round losses. Before him, I don't know. But at least two total.

I don't believe we've ever been a 12-16 seed, so we probably have no wins as them.

Also, did you count the 1996 conference title and Sweet 16, and will ESPN?

I did, I think ESPN will. They do mention they penalize for vacated seasons and the like, but they don't say they exclude the accomplishments of those seasons.

St. Johns, St. Joes and one other tied at #40 with 197 points.

BTW, UL should be ahead of UConn and Cuse. UNC, Duke, UK, UCLA, KU and MSU are probably also ahead of UConn. Zona/Indiana are a bit of a question mark.

KU will get a ton of points for conference championships.

UCLA should be #1 by this metric. They have 11 championships that count and a few other runner ups and final fours. The championships, runners up and final fours should get them 390 points alone. To show how big a lead this is, the same three metrics only get UK 205 points.

 

[Dann]

i think we will be top 12 for sure.

off the top of my head

ucla/unc/duke/ind/kan/uk

msu/uconn/lville

should all be top 12

 

[Waquoit]

I think UConn might crack the Top 10. UConn has a pretty decent record in the 60's and 70's. Back then only one team from each conference made the Big Dance.

 

[Brochacho]

BYU at 37 with 218... looking good for UConn if they are in the neighborhood of 350.

 

[alexd]

Some Cuse fans seem to think they will end up #1 in the BE...but i did some quick math thanks to Wikipedia....and just based on the conference titles (we did get 6 in the Yankee Conf), tourneys, and NCAA tourney, were;' ahead of the Cuse by about 301 -215. I haven't figured in AA's and NBA top 10 picks (of which we have 11). I also didn't figure in annual winning %'s.

 

[sparky]

UK UCLA Kansas NC

 

[Brochacho]

Some Cuse fans seem to think they will end up #1 in the BE...but i did some quick math thanks to Wikipedia....and just based on the conference titles (we did get 6 in the Yankee Conf), tourneys, and NCAA tourney, were;' ahead of the Cuse by about 301 -215. I haven't figured in AA's and NBA top 10 picks (of which we have 11). I also didn't figure in annual winning %'s.

I think this will end up being Louisville - UConn - Cuse for the top BE schools.

 

[Dann]

cuse fans are idiots. they can't see past jimmy b's bs. lets win alot of games every year but have no substance to it. i play zone and i wont put out a ton of player like other teams we want to be like. we dont win big games and the 1 ship i have is because i got a stud nba player to go to college for a year by accident. cuse fans are brain washed. rah rah nike tney rah rah were better than uconn for this espn thing. where is st bill? i miss him now.

 

[hungry husky]

Probably higher than Syracuse and slightly lower than G-Town. I'm thinking 9-13 range.

 

[huskiesnyc]

How can you justify UConn not being top 10? Most Big East conference titles-17, another 17 Yankee Conference titles, 16 Sweet 16's, 10 Elite 8's, 4 Final Four, and 3 NCAA titles. Please, it's not even debatable. Cuse is the most overrated program only bc they have a ton of communications grads working at ESPN. Only thing they beat us in is all time wins. They did a great job padding wins against Monmouth during World War 2...good job

 

[61cygni]

Ouch for Florida. I think people might be over-estimating UConn's position.

 

[alexd]

Ouch for Florida. I think people might be over-estimating UConn's position.

Not worried at all. FL has had a nice little run but nowhere near the sustained success that we have had. This isn't football.

 

[tzznandrew]

Ouch for Florida. I think people might be over-estimating UConn's position.

I think you forget that Florida did pretty much nothing from 1962-2000 (there was that Final Four in 1994...I know). From 1962 and on, they have a total of 8 conference titles of any kind (most in the last 12 years). UConn has 6 that count just in the Yankee conference, not counting the 17 in the BE.

They had no conference titles until the late 1980s. They didn't make the tournament until 1987. Their accumulated points from 1962-1999: 14

UConn has tournament appearances and conference titles in the 1960s and 1970s. And then a great run from 1990-now.

 

[Brochacho]

Well UConn has 180 points from 2000- present, tied with Gonzaga. 7th most for the decade.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Gonzaga must be getting a lot of credit for winning the WCC every single year. I know it'd be difficult and arbitrary to assign weightings to different conferences, but come on.

 

[Brochacho]

28 total regular season and post season conference titles for Gonzaga. I'm assuming thats why they are so high.

 

[caw]

Gonzaga must be getting a lot of credit for winning the WCC every single year. I know it'd be difficult and arbitrary to assign weightings to different conferences, but come on.

UConn lost a decent # of points for the current situation. If not for the negatives, then UConn would be ahead of Gonzaga and probably Florida (183 points).

I assume the 6 ahead of UConn would be UNC, Duke, Florida (#6), KU, MSU. Who is the 6th team? UK? Cuse? UCLA?

 

[ford82]

It is incredible that UConn has won 3 NC's in 12 years. It is still hard to believe what type of job Calhoun has done overall. He played a huge part in transforming not only a program, but a university.