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Where will UConn be ranked tomorrow?

DefenseBB said:
While I love our Forum's passion (including @EricLA) for our team, many seem to be ignoring point totals that actual matter. Voters do not start from scratch each week, they look at last weeks ranking and move up or down.

Let's use Stanford for an example who was #8 last week with 637 points (150 more than UConn from the 35 voters). Stanford went 1-1 this week winning at #19 Utah but losing at #5 Colorado. The Voters are not going to penalize Stanford enough to fall below UConn. Add in that #7 LSU went 1-1, Baylor went 0-2 and UCLA lost to #9 USC. My guess is Stanford may actual move up a slot to #7 ahead of LSU and Baylor and right ahead of Kansas State. We will stay behind Kansas State. UConn will break the top 10 but just barely.

Even Baylor who lost to 2 unranked teams will not drop all the way to 15 as the voters have had 16 games this year to evaluate them. My guess is they fall to #11. When we lost to NC State, who was unranked at that time, was severely penalizing because there was no "body of work" to balance the context of the loss. In other words, teams can jump up and down by more slots early in the season but only smaller amounts later.

My guess is this:
#1 SC
#2 Iowa
#3 Colorado
#4 UCLA
#5 NC State
#6 USC
#7 Stanford
#8 Kansas State
#9 UConn
#10 LSU
#11 Baylor
#12 Texas
#13 Virginia Tech
#14 Louisville
#15 Gonzaga
#16 Indiana
#17 Florida State
#18 Ohio State
#19 Notre Dame
#20 Utah
#21 Creighton
#22 Marquette
#23 UNLV
#24 Oregon State
#25 North Carolina
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Seeing this I think UConn lands at 11. I don’t see voters putting them a head of Stanford, LSU, Baylor or Kansas st. Not sure they’ll put us behind a Texas team we lost to either so maybe we stay at 12, actually.
 
I'm guessing that UConn will be between 8th and 11th, most likely about #10.
 
DefenseBB said:
While I love our Forum's passion (including @EricLA) for our team, many seem to be ignoring point totals that actual matter. Voters do not start from scratch each week, they look at last weeks ranking and move up or down.

Let's use Stanford for an example who was #8 last week with 637 points (150 more than UConn from the 35 voters). Stanford went 1-1 this week winning at #19 Utah but losing at #5 Colorado. The Voters are not going to penalize Stanford enough to fall below UConn. Add in that #7 LSU went 1-1, Baylor went 0-2 and UCLA lost to #9 USC. My guess is Stanford may actual move up a slot to #7 ahead of LSU and Baylor and right ahead of Kansas State. We will stay behind Kansas State. UConn will break the top 10 but just barely.

Even Baylor who lost to 2 unranked teams will not drop all the way to 15 as the voters have had 16 games this year to evaluate them. My guess is they fall to #11. When we lost to NC State, who was unranked at that time, was severely penalizing because there was no "body of work" to balance the context of the loss. In other words, teams can jump up and down by more slots early in the season but only smaller amounts later.

My guess is this:
#1 SC
#2 Iowa
#3 Colorado
#4 UCLA
#5 NC State
#6 USC
#7 Stanford
#8 Kansas State
#9 UConn
#10 LSU
#11 Baylor
#12 Texas
#13 Virginia Tech
#14 Louisville
#15 Gonzaga
#16 Indiana
#17 Florida State
#18 Ohio State
#19 Notre Dame
#20 Utah
#21 Creighton
#22 Marquette
#23 UNLV
#24 Oregon State
#25 North Carolina
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Looks good to me except I think Iowa State will get ranked over Oregon State. I think Oregon State will be the first team outside the pool (aka #26).

This is my top 25 (not what I think the poll will be)
  1. South Carolina (15-0)
  2. Iowa (16-1)
  3. UCLA (14-1)
  4. Colorado (15-1)
  5. USC (13-1)
  6. NC State (15-1)
  7. Kansas State (17-1)
  8. Stanford (15-2)
  9. UConn (14-3)
  10. LSU (16-2)
  11. Texas (16-2)
  12. Baylor (14-2)
  13. Gonzaga (16-2)
  14. Louisville (15-2)
  15. Virginia Tech (13-3)
  16. Indiana (14-2)
  17. Florida State (14-4)
  18. Ohio State (13-3)
  19. Notre Dame (12-3)
  20. Utah (12-5)
  21. North Carolina (12-5)
  22. Marquette (15-2)
  23. Iowa St. (12-4)
  24. Creighton (13-3)
  25. Green Bay (14-3)
  26. Teams outside the Top 25- Oregon St. (26) Syracuse (27) West Virginia (28) UNLV (29) Vanderbilt (30)
They’ll have UNLV in top 25, Gonzaga a little lower and maybe UCLA below Colorado. Regardless this was one of the most fun polls to do with all the upsets & ranked head to head matchups (the men’s poll will shake up too).
 
Not a prediction of the AP but just a reflection on the event:

LSU lost to Auburn, who is equivalent to a middle of the pack team in the Big East. Auburn is probably not as good as Marquette or Creighton but better than Providence. Maybe about on the level of Villanova or SJU. Other than Colorado, it’s hard to place most of LSU’s opponents in terms of quality. This makes it difficult for the polls to rank LSU.

Where would LSU itself stand in the Big East? Near the top, I expect. So far they’ve played a weaker schedule than what they’d face in the Big East, but have mainly won decisively against opponents. They’d probably beat Marquette and Creighton, or at least split the series with them.
 
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UConn is now third in the Massey ratings, behind SC and Iowa. NET rankings come later today, where they are likely to be second or third.
 
I, too, have thought about all those Division One losses. But I anticipate no respect, at
least not until we get the win over N.D. and find out the "real score" with the South Carolina game.
UCONN moves up to #12. My thoughts are on potential NCAA seedings and matchups. GO HUSKIES!
 
bbsamjj said:
I think Baylor falls out of the top 10 and behind UConn. I can see LSU even falling behind UConn too. I think Stanford stays around where it is since going 1-1 on a road swing to Utah and CO is pretty decent. TX won't be too penalized for losing on road to Kansas St but could also see them taking a tumble.

The issue last week was everyone in front of UConn in rankings (minus VA Tech who just upset NC st) had either 0 or 1 losses while UConn had three (and no wins over the teams ranked ahead of them). But now that other teams are getting more losses, expect Uconn to steadily climb back up.
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Theoretically, shouldn’t the polls as of last week have accounted for previous losses in the current poll standings? I would think voters would start with the rank as of last week then look at the recent wins/losses rather then punish teams for what happened two months ago - again.

If they made me a voter that’s what I would do but since there are basically no rules for voting, people make up their own criteria. That’s why it’s hard to take the polls seriously
 
HuskyNan said:
Theoretically, shouldn’t the polls as of last week have accounted for previous losses in the current poll standings? I would think voters would start with the rank as of last week then look at the recent wins/losses rather then punish teams for what happened two months ago - again.

If they made me a voter that’s what I would do but since there are basically no rules for voting, people make up their own criteria. That’s why it’s hard to take the polls seriously
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I think that's my point: Last week UConn ended up at #13, in large part because none of the teams in front of them gave voters a reason to penalize them.

If you look at last week's mens rankings, Memphis was ranked #13. The 12 teams in front of them had a total of 27 losses (and this was before nearly everyone lost this past week). Those rankings have been fluid. In fact, you had four teams with 3 losses in the top 10.

Meanwhile, on the women's side, the 12 teams in front of UConn had a combined 10 losses last week. As good as UConn has looked recently, their 3 losses (yes to top tier competition) still stood out, and I think it's harder for voters to penalize teams who haven't lost many (or any) games.

NOW however, losses are piling up. Resumes are coming more into focus. In short, are rankings silly? Sure. But I also think they will work themselves out by the time we get to March.
 
The reason UConn is standing still in the rankings is the quality of the other teams in the Big East. No team ranked ahead of UConn would lose to any team in the Big East except UConn and all the other leagues have a reputation of better competition. With that said I think UConn will move up to number 10 this week and have two chances to make big jumps left on their schedule. They win one of them and they will end up a 2 seed, if they win both they will be a 1 seed.

LSU still isn't a good "team", but just a collection of good players. I don't see them changing this year so they will fall. Iowa is a lot like UConn in that they have a great player, some good role players and haven't had that game where they just don't match up with their opponent. The team to beat is South Carolina, then I would say UCLA and USC, Colorado has some good wins too. After them I think it is a toss up and UConn is certainly in that group with their current play.
 
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If I were a voter, I wouldn’t base my selections on the previous poll. That would merely reinforce the collective prejudices of the group. Instead I’d start from the NET and make adjustments from there on the basis of factors I think the NET missed, like injuries or personal growth. I’d try to reflect what each team had achieved up to that moment rather than estimate what they might yet accomplish.
 
My top 10,
1. So Carolina
2. Iowa
3. Colorado
4. NC State
5. USC
6. NC State
7. Kansas State
8. UConn
9. Stanford
10. LSU
 
Rowdy831 said:
The reason UConn is standing still in the rankings is the quality of the other teams in the Big East. No team ranked ahead of UConn would lose to any team in the Big East except UConn and all the other leagues have a reputation of better competition. With that said I think UConn will move up to number 10 this week and have two chances to make big jumps left on their schedule. They win one of them and they will end up a 2 seed, if they win both they will be a 1 seed.

LSU still isn't a good "team", but just a collection of good players. I don't see them changing this year so they will fall. Iowa is a lot like UConn in that they have a great player, some good role players and haven't had that game where they just don't match up with their opponent. The team to beat is South Carolina, then I would say UCLA and USC, Colorado has some good wins too. After them I think it is a toss up and UConn is certainly in that group with their current play.
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You make the Big East sound like a mid-major

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Always an interesting discussion that I enjoy reading. Doubt Geno cares where Huskies are ranked, particularly at this time of year. Would he take a few losses and a lower ranking early in the year if it better prepared the team for the playoffs? We all know the answer.
 
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This will work itself out, but the NET is confusing at the moment. South Carolina at #1 is all good, but then you have UCLA at #7, Nc State at #9, USC at #12, and somehow CO all the way at #15.

Meanwhile you have Utah all the way at #6; who have played a murders row schedule but also haven't beaten anyone of consequence.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
DefenseBB- - -#4 UCLA lost to #6 USC!
Maybe switch places!
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and the week before UCLA beat USC to split the season series....And UCLA hass beaten a much better resume of teams. Also add in the fact that Lauren Betts was sick so.....I am keeping UCLA ahead of the Trojans
 
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Isn’t the Big East a little like a Mid Major conference? I guess what I mean is the distinction is pretty hazy especially at the margins if it’s just a question of quality of play. And there are a couple indications of this. The Massey chart @HuskyNan posted above shows us on the cusp between the P5 and the AAC WCC and A10. Maybe these aren’t exactly Mid Major conferences either, but they also resemble them a little, too.

The term “Mid Major” is vague enough but there are some sharper distinctions apart from quality of play. Automatic NIT invitations for one and how well funded the programs are in the P5 or P6 compared to the mid majors.

From the point of view of quality of play alone, the case of Lou shows where the overlaps are. She was the MAAC PoY and slipped seamlessly into UConn’s lineup and became one of our best players. If the MAAC is a typical mid major, their PoY was practically “plug-n-play” in the Big East, that suggests the BE isn’t so different. There seems to be considerable overlap in quality of play.

What Lou’s case really shows is that even the P5 conferences aren’t really all that different from the so-called mid majors either, viewed simply in terms of quality of play. Lou could have started or been a major rotation player on almost any team in the P5. In many games last season she was the player opposing coaches focused on stopping. She might not have had the impact on other teams that she had at UConn. But that would probably be because not every coach would know how to use her as well as Geno did.

And Lou is in the W. Did her stint at UConn improve her play or just her visibility? I think it certainly improved her confidence, and it probably gave her access to better competition in practices and in games. She might not have been drafted out of the MAAC. But I suspect she’d have found a slightly different path to the W. Talent will out.
 
Kaizen said:
My top 10,
1. So Carolina
2. Iowa
3. Colorado
4. NC State
5. USC
6. NC State
7. Kansas State
8. UConn
9. Stanford
10. LSU
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I don't think that they are ready to assume that LSU is a failed super team based on one close Conference loss on the road (despite the fact that they have not beaten anybody either). Same with Stanford, the perception is better than the reality. Uconn is the opposite, the record is actually impressive but they are perceived as a team that has been reduced beneath critical mass due to injuries, and hence won't hold up over the long run.
 
Bone Dog said:
Isn’t the Big East a little like a Mid Major conference? I guess what I mean is the distinction is pretty hazy especially at the margins if it’s just a question of quality of play. And there are a couple indications of this. The Massey chart @HuskyNan posted above shows us on the cusp between the P5 and the AAC WCC and A10. Maybe these aren’t exactly Mid Major conferences either, but they also resemble them a little, too.

The term “Mid Major” is vague enough but there are some sharper distinctions apart from quality of play. Automatic NIT invitations for one and how well funded the programs are in the P5 or P6 compared to the mid majors.

From the point of view of quality of play alone, the case of Lou shows where the overlaps are. She was the MAAC PoY and slipped seamlessly into UConn’s lineup and became one of our best players. If the MAAC is a typical mid major, their PoY was practically “plug-n-play” in the Big East, that suggests the BE isn’t so different. There seems to be considerable overlap in quality of play.

What Lou’s case really shows is that even the P5 conferences aren’t really all that different from the so-called mid majors either, viewed simply in terms of quality of play. Lou could have started or been a major rotation player on almost any team in the P5. In many games last season she was the player opposing coaches focused on stopping. She might not have had the impact on other teams that she had at UConn. But that would probably be because not every coach would know how to use her as well as Geno did.

And Lou is in the W. Did her stint at UConn improve her play or just her visibility? I think it certainly improved her confidence, and it probably gave her access to better competition in practices and in games. She might not have been drafted out of the MAAC. But I suspect she’d have found a slightly different path to the W. Talent will out.
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The reason the Big East isn’t a Power-5 conference isn’t because of basketball, it’s a football designation
 
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I'm curious where the voters put Indiana. They just can't quit the Hoosiers.

Best win? Tennessee (neutral court) or maybe Princeton (also neutral court).

Games against Top 10 opponents: lost @Stanford by 32 and lost @Iowa by 27.
 
HuskyNan said:
The reason the Big East isn’t a Power conference isn’t because of basketball, it’s a football designation
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Yes, and in football the BE is most definitely a Mid Major. But there's been some pushback on this distinction of late. As I recall (dimly) the term was coined in the 90s (?) to refer to everything outside the Power5. Power6 emerged to try to stretch the canvas a little. And as I mentioned above, the distinction isn't just about quality of play, but also program funding -- coaches, facilities, athletic and academic support staff, etc.

In Men's BB, as it happens, the term has been co-opted and the Big East is not at risk of being mistaken for a mid major. In Women's BB (where this question started in this thread) the term has currency too, and the situation is not so clear. The term Power6 would be useful to cover where exactly the BE stands. This year, and maybe last, it hasn't been so easy to distinguish us from the Big10 or the Big12 or even the SEC in terms of stratification of quality play.
theathletic.com

AAC to drop ‘Power 6’ brand as commissioner calls for end of ‘Power 5’ moniker

"We will now adopt a generic power brand in lieu of Power 6, or P6, branding," Aresco wrote in a letter Tuesday.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
 
hookshot said:
I don't think that they are ready to assume that LSU is a failed super team based on one close Conference loss on the road (despite the fact that they have not beaten anybody either). Same with Stanford, the perception is better than the reality. Uconn is the opposite, the record is actually impressive but they are perceived as a team that has been reduced beneath critical mass due to injuries, and hence won't hold up over the long run.
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Agree, LSU should be in higher rank. Thank you.
 
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