What is your take on Hurley and the Refs?

[Mr. Wonderful]

There's some interesting discourse going on around the Internet right now that I find fascinating.

A whole lot of people were upset yesterday when Hurley called out officials for not respecting a two time national championship winning head coach. People were calling him entitled, arrogant, etc because he believes his success in his profession has earned him some benefit of the doubt. On the other side of the coin, those same people and types of people say that bad calls going against him are brought upon himself through his behavior.

I'm not sure how you can have it both ways. I don't see how you can be indignant and talk about respect for the game and not treating a good coach favorably, and then speak out of the other side of your mouth and say him and the team deserve bad calls because he, in his mind, is trying to hold officials accountable for their decisions.

It's clear as day that his theatrics are a net negative for the program; but I don't necessarily believe they should be. If there is word of any officials trying to "teach him a lesson" or any evidence of it, there really should be an investigation and some sort of repercussions. You can't, as a paid professional, take your bias into account when making work decisions. If you are, you're compromising the integrity of the sport. Maybe I'm one of the few that sees it as serious of an issue as I believe it to be, but I think it's a conversation the media should be having.

This sounds like a throwaway line, but there's a better way of getting your point across than Hurley practices.

His message is clearly lost in his method of communication. It turns out people don't like being screamed at and belittled in front of large groups of people.

I wish he would talk calmly about how every team UConn plays is allowed to be as physical as they want to be against us, and that has a cumulative effect game over game on how UConn is forced to play. How about that Danny?

 

[JMick]

This sounds like a throwaway line, but there's a better way of getting your point across than Hurley practices.

His message is clearly lost in his method of communication. It turns out people don't like being screamed at and belittled in front of large groups of people.

I wish he would talk calmly about how every team UConn plays is allowed to be as physical as they want to be against us, and that has a cumulative effect game over game on how UConn is forced to play. How about that Danny?

Sure. But also maybe don't suck? To me the issue Hurley has is that he holds himself to a high standard, he holds his staff to a high standard, he holds his players to a high standard, but no one seems to hold the refs to any standard. So he "takes it upon himself" to hold them to the standard he expects. It obviously doesn't work but I feel like that's the logic behind it

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Does anyone think there’s a correlation between having practices with fouls not being called and now our players not being 100% sure of what’s a foul or not.

It’s not like those kind of practices have made us better at finishing around the rim either.

 

[Kolumbo]

2 Time Defending Champions. Everyone will be looking for blood and will shed no tears. I don't know if this video was posted anywhere else here but this random twitter feed was the only place I saw it. I think it's hilarious. DH is our psycho so the backlash comes with the territory.

 

[Deepster]

Calling people that disagree with you pansies doesn't help your argument. Show me the evidence. Let me know the game Calhoun lost due to a technical. Or even a time when he got a T in a similar situation. Also, tell me how the T Hurley got yesterday did not make it harder for us to win.

You realize it doesn't matter when the technicals come, right? Free points are free points. Hurley had been super vocal all game and could've (and maybe should've) gotten at least one prior to that point. Did it make it harder for us to win? I don't know. Would we have come back and made it that close if he sat back and didn't say anything and let our lackluster effort continue in silence?

Calhoun got a hundred technicals when his team was playing sloppy, lacking effort and already down in a game.

https://www.registercitizen.com/news/article/Technically-speaking-coach-still-miffed-12126378.php

The game above, he got THREE technicals at the end of the first half and they lost 85-83 in OT. They were down 27-18, made all 6 FT's to extend it to 33-18 with 5 minutes in the half.

So stop being a Chicken Little pansy.

 

[Palatine]

Unless Hurley can teach the refs to play defense and guard the three point line, it doesn't matter what the refs do or Hurley's antics.

 

[huskyblooz]

To argue calls is fine to an extent. This is in the heat of the moment. I get it.
But to call officials "clowns", "jokes" & "retards" is truly classless. Especially after the game.
I'm more disappointed in his behavior than our performance.

 

[BlueandOG]

You realize it doesn't matter when the technicals come, right? Free points are free points. Hurley had been super vocal all game and could've (and maybe should've) gotten at least one prior to that point. Did it make it harder for us to win? I don't know. Would we have come back and made it that close if he sat back and didn't say anything and let our lackluster effort continue in silence?

Calhoun got a hundred technicals when his team was playing sloppy, lacking effort and already down in a game.

https://www.registercitizen.com/news/article/Technically-speaking-coach-still-miffed-12126378.php

The game above, he got THREE technicals at the end of the first half and they lost 85-83 in OT. They were down 27-18, made all 6 FT's to extend it to 33-18 with 5 minutes in the half.

So stop being a Chicken Little pansy.

I think our difference of opinion comes from your opening sentence. It does matter when the T was called. Hurley's T at the end of OT created a hole our players could not dig out of. Calhoun's Ts were not as poorly timed as Hurley's - they did not put the team in a position to lose.

Strong leaders know the importance of situational awareness and command presence. Hurley is a great coach with many strengths; however, he has to improve those aspect of his leadership.

 

[Mandoo]

Is it possible they're both in the wrong? I'm not gonna pick a side here.

It's like someone gets into an argument then talks behind that persons back, usually most people will nod and agree or at least pretend to agree with that person to avoid any conflict. There's 2 sides to a story and there's a good chance both are in the wrong.

In the Purdue game last year, it was painfully obvious that Edey was getting away with murder while Kling was being charged for touch fouls. I saw the game, I saw AK getting hammered by Edey when he was playing the 5. It was ridiculous.

 

[Mandoo]

So you cherry picked literally the one call that went in our favor which offset the 10-15 blown calls against us? Samson’s technical was not good, but it was a result of the refs having no control over that game. Johnson was getting thrown around like a ragdoll but he was the one who committed 5 fouls in 10 minutes.

It's ugly when the refs lose control of the game. Then, you end up with a patchwork quilt of calls, some good, some bad, and some simply ridiculous. If they call the game tight, they have to show the teams what they can tolerate and what they can't. If they deviate from that standard, we have games like Memphis and Colorado which are action/reaction slipshod games. If we had a defense, we'd have won both. But, we have poor peripheral defense and we can't stop drivers as touch fouls are considered as major maulings.

 

[Deepster]

I think our difference of opinion comes from your opening sentence. It does matter when the T was called. Hurley's T at the end of OT created a hole our players could not dig out of. Calhoun's Ts were not as poorly timed as Hurley's - they did not put the team in a position to lose.

Strong leaders know the importance of situational awareness and command presence. Hurley is a great coach with many strengths; however, he has to improve those aspect of his leadership.

I guess my difference in opinion comes from actual math and not a flimsy "feeling".

 

[B1GEast]

Somebody posted about Coach K always getting animated over calls. I agree, but Hurley has been a little over the top in Maui.

It's who he is, but it also, IMO not good optics. I think players and parents of athletes that might want to come to UConn might see this as a negative.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out on the road this year.

 

[UCMB88]

2 Time Defending Champions. Everyone will be looking for blood and will shed no tears. I don't know if this video was posted anywhere else here but this random twitter feed was the only place I saw it. I think it's hilarious. DH is our psycho so the backlash comes with the territory.

This right here is exactly why Hurley got the technical. By the time ESPN showed Kimani holding Dan back as he was screaming "you're a ******* joke" to the ref, he was already T'd up. Sure, it was a horsebleep call, but acting like this will get you a T 95% of the time.

BlueandOG is spot on - strong leaders understand situational awareness and command presence. I'm all for Hurley sticking up for his team, and protesting bogus calls, but there is a way to do it, and there are ways not to do it, especially late in OT. Unfortunately, it appears Dan lacks the maturity to know when to control his emotions during games. He was barking at the refs all night in the Colorado game too, so he didn't take away any short term lessons from Monday.

 

[HooperScooper]

Let’s state the obvious. Dan Hurley can’t change, nor should he. Who he is has helped him become what he is, back-to-back national champ, one of the most effective coaches in any sport anywhere in the world. The maniacal intensity, unbridled passion, the heart on his sleeve, it all comes with the package and UConn and its fans long ago decided to go all in on the whole package. Can’t pick and choose the parts you like.

But it’s not unfair to suggest that Hurley evolve, grow, continue a process that he, himself, believed necessary to launch a couple of years ago.

Dom Amore: UConn’s Dan Hurley needs to reel it in, for his sake and his team’s

Dan Hurley, for his own good and the interests of is UConn men’s basketball team, must control his emotions better than has has in Hawaii.

www.courant.com

Alternate access:
UConn’s Dan Hurley needs to reel it in, for his sake and his team’s

 

[Travelman6]

At Memphis was certainly a regression.

 

[superjohn]

There's some interesting discourse going on around the Internet right now that I find fascinating.

A whole lot of people were upset yesterday when Hurley called out officials for not respecting a two time national championship winning head coach. People were calling him entitled, arrogant, etc because he believes his success in his profession has earned him some benefit of the doubt. On the other side of the coin, those same people and types of people say that bad calls going against him are brought upon himself through his behavior.

I'm not sure how you can have it both ways. I don't see how you can be indignant and talk about respect for the game and not treating a good coach favorably, and then speak out of the other side of your mouth and say him and the team deserve bad calls because he, in his mind, is trying to hold officials accountable for their decisions.

It's clear as day that his theatrics are a net negative for the program; but I don't necessarily believe they should be. If there is word of any officials trying to "teach him a lesson" or any evidence of it, there really should be an investigation and some sort of repercussions. You can't, as a paid professional, take your bias into account when making work decisions. If you are, you're compromising the integrity of the sport. Maybe I'm one of the few that sees it as serious of an issue as I believe it to be, but I think it's a conversation the media should be having.

When you always act like an abusive a hole towards someone they will inevitably want to get back at you. Also when you complain and b^^ch the refs out for everything you become the boy who cried wolf.

It's human nature for the refs to react to it as much as you think they should be above it.

 

[coachn]

As a former high school coach play the game like its 7 on 5 and let your players take care of the rest. If the players take care of business you get the W.

 

[JMick]

When you always act like an abusive a hole towards someone they will inevitably want to get back at you. Also when you complain and b^^ch the refs out for everything you become the boy who cried wolf.

It's human nature for the refs to react to it as much as you think they should be above it.

Sorry, if it's a coordinated effort or people are purposefully giving his teams a bad whistle, that's a bigger problem than his behavior. And if you can't get over it then you should find a different job.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Sorry, if it's a coordinated effort or people are purposefully giving his teams a bad whistle, that's a bigger problem than his behavior. And if you can't get over it then you should find a different job.

It doesn't have to be coordinated or premeditated in any way. Could be as simple as swallowing a whistle on a single play.

Humans are emotional beings who use post hoc rationale to justify their judgments without even realizing it.

 

[JMick]

It doesn't have to be coordinated or premeditated in any way. Could be as simple as swallowing a whistle on a single play.

Humans are emotional beings who use post hoc rationale to justify their judgments without even realizing it.

Hence the if

Personally, I do think there are a few guys who are straight up out to get him. Not even close to the majority, just a handful. The head guy from the Memphis game is always a problem.

 

[CL82]

Name a game that Calhoun cost the team a win with a technical. I don't believe it.

Calhoun was very strategic about getting his technicals. He made his point, and I pretty much always got the sense it was done purposefully.

 

[HooperScooper]

If you think Pearl was content with the game, let me tell you ... he was not. Pearl was Dan Hurley-level furious with the officials in a 15-point game with 1:22 remaining. After Pearl's press conference, he pulled aside J.D. Collins, the former director of NCAA officiating who oversees the officials each year in Maui, to share his concerns in a private conversation just outside the media work room.

Interesting. And his team won. So maybe the refs actually do stink in Maui. Does anyone know which crew reffed the Auburn game?

Maui Invitational takeaways: UConn reeling, Tyrese Hunter puts Memphis in finals and Auburn's case for No. 1

Johni Broome and Tyrese Hunter had huge games Tuesday to put their teams into Wednesday's Maui Invitational championship

www.cbssports.com

 

[CL82]

I think our difference of opinion comes from your opening sentence. It does matter when the T was called. Hurley's T at the end of OT created a hole our players could not dig out of. Calhoun's Ts were not as poorly timed as Hurley's - they did not put the team in a position to lose.

Strong leaders know the importance of situational awareness and command presence. Hurley is a great coach with many strengths; however, he has to improve those aspect of his leadership.

Good response to what was an ill formed and jerky post. I'm a big believer if you have to name call to make your point, you probably don't have one. Nice job, not taking the bait.