OT: What happens to Brady next season?

[HuskyHawk]

Brady isn't gonna play for the Chargers. They suck and his only moto is to win.

The Pats have communicated through various channels they want him back. BB has said, over and over and over again, there's no QB he'd rather have. He doesn't just throw plaudits out there. It's not his way. Bill likes Brady because of his supernatural intelligence and ability to make split second, correct decisions.

You gotta consider the alternatives. There's nothing on the market that is appealing rn. 2 years of TB gives you time to plan accordingly.

IF they can make it work, great. I think they'll pull out all the stops to do so.



What remotely gives you this idea? It's a completely dominant offense. They had a completley crap offensive year last year and they were still top 10. Hell, it's not even Bill's offense to begin with. It's Charlie Weiss's.

If they surround Brady with any kind of offensive talent at the skill positions (they had one of the biggest dearths of that in the league last year), they'll be Top 5 competing for the top spot.

I think the most likely scenario is that he's back for two years at about $50m. I don't think either side knows what is out there for them on the market. If somebody is going to give Tom $65-70 or a third year, New England isn't going there. If Tedy Bridgewater is available for $15 a year for three years, I don't know how Bill passes on that. He wouldn't touch Winston or Rivers with a ten foot pole. Mariota is a backup at this point who would need to prove he can play.

On the second point, a few things. Failed receivers. Chad Johnson, Marvin Williams, Joey Galloway, Brandon Llloyd, and an endless string of failed free agent WR. Some hall of fame caliber players. Then we saw the Dolphins fire Chad O'Shea after one season. Why? The offense isn't conducive to reliance on young players or players new to the system. For all the talk about weapons, the first round picks have been RB, OT, WR. We've brought in several big name receivers, Gordon, AB, Thomas, Sanu. Brady had very few 1st round offensive players earlier in his career (that the Pats drafted).

So while the offense was top ten overall, look at who the points came against and when. They were ineffective against good defensive teams. The OL wasn't great. Michel had a bad year. Brady did not have a good year. Harry being injured hurt. So I think that defensive minded Bill, who constantly talks about the toughest QBs to defend, never mentions any pocket passers. It's always the guys who can make plays outside the pocket with their feet or arm. I think that's what he wants. How long will he be willing to wait?

 

[Rocktheworld]

I know that. Yet people are still making money on selling people on technique etc etc. It's pretty common. A lot of dietitians do that.

It's not like the only people who make money are being truly revolutionary. Damn near everybody does it.

TB12 is lending his name to a 'system' which works for him, no matter how common it is. It's simple marketing

Trust me we are in the same page on all that lol can’t blame the guy I guess

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I know that. Yet people are still making money on selling people on technique etc etc. It's pretty common. A lot of dietitians do that.

It's not like the only people who make money are being truly revolutionary. Damn near everybody does it.

TB12 is lending his name to a 'system' which works for him, no matter how common it is. It's simple marketing

I think it's a bad look for Brady to hitch his wagon to an guy who's been sanctioned by the FTC multiple times and has been repeatedly sued for defrauding investors. Brady's given glowing testimonials about products that have then been immediately shut down by the FTC. It's sleazy.

 

[intlzncster]

On the second point, a few things. Failed receivers. Chad Johnson, Marvin Williams, Joey Galloway, Brandon Llloyd, and an endless string of failed free agent WR. Some hall of fame caliber players. Then we saw the Dolphins fire Chad O'Shea after one season. Why? The offense isn't conducive to reliance on young players or players new to the system. For all the talk about weapons, the first round picks have been RB, OT, WR. We've brought in several big name receivers, Gordon, AB, Thomas, Sanu. Brady had very few 1st round offensive players earlier in his career (that the Pats drafted).

Bill simply doesn't value the receiver position as much as most. Rightly so. With a different QB, that throws his whole philosophy off. Money is better spent elsewhere in a vacuum. You generally don't win titles with a high end wide receiver getting paid brinks truck.

And I'm not saying he didn't do anything, but the moves he did make were risks and washed out.

One of the thinks about last year is that everything that could go wrong, did. Some of it was bad luck, some was Bill's fault.

• We were one of the oldest teams in the league. And i think that showed in the offensive injuries.
• Attempting to rely on Gordon and AB was a mistake. Trading Cromartie before he had a chance to let AB settle in (and wash out) was a mistake.
• Relying on Edelman to remain healthy is a mistake. He was at 50% or less much of the year with three significant injuries. He is getting older and has a lot of miles on those treads. He's at Gronk level of physical toll taken on that decidedly smaller frame. That has to be accounted for.
• Made the mistake of targeting Sanu instead of Emmanuel Sanders. Sanu is a guy who doesn't get great separation, and that was the receivers biggest problem last year
• Lost his 1st round great sized WR for half the year. Hard to get a young kid integrated from the rehab table. Also, this is a kid who also doesn't get great separation, but relies on athleticism and strength to make plays
• There was next to no OL depth, which killed them when:
• His prize previous 1st rd LT got hurt preseason. Kid is really good, but they tried to replace him with a super market aisle 'talent', or lack there of.
• His starting center got hurt and tried to replace him with a backup guard/tackle
• Most criminal move by BB was damn near completely disregarding the TE position and with the problems at WR, that killed them. And the guys he did get were either injured or suspended for portions of the season. The number 1 TE was 100 yrs old. This killed them as the offense works best with a good tight end or two.
• This was compounded by losing 2 fullbacks, one very good one. That blocking in both the run and the pass game was missed. FB is a critical cog in this offense
• All these holes in the offensive line and FB and TE meant the running game sucked ass.
• Tom was hurt himself much of the year and you could see it in his throwing.
• And so on....

These other vet wide receivers you mentioned above he brought in are often older pros who are past their prime, and looking for a ring. Most of them don't want to grind and do the work required to get up to speed with this admittedly difficult offense. But you need to take care of the spots on top of these guys, not rely on them entirely. They are low risk high reward type signings.

I just see no evidence of Bill looking to change things up. He always talks up the opposition. And by BIll's own reckoning the toughest QB to defend in his mind was always Peyton Manning. Not mobile.

EDIT: nice thing about this draft is that it is ridiculously stacked with wide receivers and Pats have a good selection of picks. Bad thing is a ridiculously bad tight end draft

 

[superjohn]

It’s his business with his con man trainer. Health stuff of dubious legitimacy.

Looked into this, it takes about 2 minutes to see this is a grift. The guy is a sports legend and has all the money in the world, he should be above this junk. He's selling 1 lb. bags of protein powder for 50 bucks and foam rollers for 250 bucks. This grift is all over the internet but his prices are totally outrageous and I'm sure people are buying just because of his name.

 

[intlzncster]

I think it's a bad look for Brady to hitch his wagon to an guy who's been sanctioned by the FTC multiple times and has been repeatedly sued for defrauding investors. Brady's given glowing testimonials about products that have then been immediately shut down by the FTC. It's sleazy.

Bad look I guess, but what Guerrero is doing with Tom is working for him. So he believes in it. If he believes in it, you expect him not to get behind it?

 

[intlzncster]

Looked into this, it takes about 2 minutes to see this is a grift. The guy is a sports legend and has all the money in the world, he should be above this junk. He's selling 1 lb. bags of protein powder for 50 bucks and foam rollers for 250 bucks.

lmao this is the entire sports supplement, training gear business. if you think otherwise you ware fooling yourself.

This grift is all over the internet but his prices are totally outrageous and I'm sure people are buying just because of his name.

This is literally capitalism. It's about luxury goods. What you think Prada bags are that much better quality than some regular brand? They aren't.

Why do some players shoes cost more than others? Because of the name on it.

 

[superjohn]

lmao this is the entire sports supplement, training gear business. if you think otherwise you ware fooling yourself.



This is literally capitalism. It's about luxury goods. What you think Prada bags are that much better quality than some regular brand? They aren't.

That's exactly what I said, the whole industry is a grift and being a sports legend with all the money in the world he should be above this junk. His prices are totally outrageous even for an outrageously overpriced grifter industry.

 

[intlzncster]

That's exactly what I said, the whole industry is a grift and being a sports legend with all the money in the world he should be above this junk. His prices are totally outrageous even for an outrageously overpriced grifter industry.

Yet every single successful/famous human on the planet charges more for their name. That's the entire point. Usually it's not worth what you are paying, but people want to be associated with that.

If you want to argue against people liking famous people and their stuff, fine. But that's got nothing to do with Tom specifically.

I personally think the people buying the stuff are more ridiculous than the people selling it. The people selling it are just maximizing their brand. As they should.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Yet every single successful/famous human on the planet charges more for their name. That's the entire point. Usually it's not worth what you are paying, but people want to be associated with that.

If you want to argue against people liking famous people and their stuff, fine. But that's got nothing to do with Tom specifically

I don't care how much his foam rollers cost. I think it's a bad look to link yourself to a habitual con man. Simple as that.

I think a guy with the profile of Tom Brady should be above that, whether or not he's deluded himself into thinking this guy's snake oil works for him. But, again, I'm not sure he's the savviest guy in the world.

 

[superjohn]

Yet every single successful/famous human on the planet charges more for their name. That's the entire point. Usually it's not worth what you are paying, but people want to be associated with that.

If you want to argue against people liking famous people and their stuff, fine. But that's got nothing to do with Tom specifically

I figured TB12 would be like a Nike thing or like Jordan and Tiger apparrell, or a fashion joint effort with his wife. I didn't know all the top athletes have shady supplement companies now, if that's the case it's lame as hell. That entire industry is garbage, full of junk science and overpriced cr@p.

 

[intlzncster]

I figured TB12 would be like a Nike thing or like Jordan and Tiger apparrell, or a fashion joint effort with his wife. I didn't know all the top athletes have shady supplement companies now, if that's the case it's lame as hell. That entire industry is garbage, full of junk science and overpriced cr@p.

I mean, are we leaving aside all the sweat shops these guy's gear are made in? Nike is a pretty poor example of a scrupulous company. If you're wearing Nike gear, you are supporting that whether you like it or not.

There's negatives when you pull the cover back on any of this stuff.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I figured TB12 would be like a Nike thing or like Jordan and Tiger apparrell, or a fashion joint effort with his wife. I didn't know all the top athletes have shady supplement companies now, if that's the case it's lame as hell. That entire industry is garbage, full of junk science and overpriced cr@p.

It is that too. He has that as well with the TB hats etc.

 

[Husky25]

Bad look? Maybe. On the other hand, he could be freely elected to lead a prestigious global entity of some sort or another (Of what is for the reader to decide .).

 

[intlzncster]

I don't care how much his foam rollers cost. I think it's a bad look to link yourself to a habitual con man. Simple as that.

I think a guy with the profile of Tom Brady should be above that, whether or not he's deluded himself into thinking this guy's snake oil works for him. But, again, I'm not sure he's the savviest guy in the world.

As I mentioned above, what's the difference between a guy having a line of Nike clothes or a hawking an iphone when all those products are made in sweat shops? Heck the people buying those products--ie you and me--are effectively supporting human rights violations. Those products and the associated issues are far more detrimental to society than some supplements which might not do anything.

I mean, I guess an athlete could only hawk sustainably made solar panels or something, but most other stuff has its negatives.

On the list of things to be outraged about pro athletes for, Brady's is like number 500,000 or something.

 

[superjohn]

It is that too. He has that as well with the TB hats etc.

I won't be buying but that's all great, he should be above the pseudo-science and supplement junk though.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

As I mentioned above, what's the difference between a guy having a line of Nike clothes or a hawking an iphone when all those products are made in sweat shops? Heck the people buying those products--ie you and me--are effectively supporting human rights violations. Those products and the associated issues are far more detrimental to society than some supplements which might not do anything.

I mean, I guess an athlete could only hawk sustainably made solar panels or something, but most other stuff has its negatives.

On the list of things to be outraged about pro athletes for, Brady's is like number 500,000 or something.

Do I seem outraged? I'm not. Brady can do whatever he wants to do.

And, honestly, while I understand the concept you're pushing here with your Nike sweatshop analogy, I hope you can recognize how absurd it sounds. You're a Pats fan, you're going to stan for the greatest Patriot of all time, I get it.

Alex Guerrero is literally a con artist. A documented con artist. If you're really going to push the idea that Kevin Durant having a Nike deal is the same thing as Brady enthusiastically endorsing the wares of a con artist, that's your prerogative, I suppose, but it sounds absurd.

 

[superjohn]

Do I seem outraged? I'm not. Brady can do whatever he wants to do.

And, honestly, while I understand the concept you're pushing here with your Nike sweatshop analogy, I hope you can recognize how absurd it sounds. You're a Pats fan, you're going to stan for the greatest Patriot of all time, I get it.

Alex Guerrero is literally a con artist. A documented con artist. If you're really going to push the idea that Kevin Durant having a Nike deal is the same thing as Brady enthusiastically endorsing the wares of a con artist, that's your prerogative, I suppose, but it sounds absurd.

Wow, you weren't kidding about this guy...

 

[superjohn]

 

[superjohn]

 

[HuskyHawk]

I won't be buying but that's all great, he should be above the pseudo-science and supplement junk though.

I guess but he's a 42 year old pocket passer QB who, except for one season and a suspension, hasn't missed a game. So he pretty clearly believes in what Guerrero is teaching. Certainly most of it just ideas that have been out there forever, but his dedication to it is unusually high. I don't think Tom is doing it for the money because he doesn't really need money. Even his ex wife is loaded.

That said, the Patriots kicked him out of the facilities a couple of years ago. So if somebody else were to let him in?

 

[Husky25]

I won't be buying but that's all great, he should be above the pseudo-science and supplement junk though.

Genuinely interested.

Forget Guerrero for a second (which is what I intended in the first place). If what Brady is doing works for him. If how he is living has allowed him to play an absurdly violent game at a high level, if how he is caring for himself has allowed him to be the key component on three Super Bowl winning teams in four trips over the six seasons beyond his contemporaries' collective primes, wouldn't there be an interest in how he does it? Shouldn't there be?

There was and he has. He wrote a book about it. He's been ridiculed for it if only because of Guerrero. He's been ridiculed to the point where whenever Guerrero is brought up in interviews or press conferences, they are virtually immediately cut short...and Brady gets ridiculed for that, as if he is depriving the press some sacred right to ridicule him to his face.

People can't seem to get passed Guerrero, as if HE is the barrier between their 50+ lb. overweight body and the principles of the Mediterranean diet or a walk around the block a time or two.

 

[intlzncster]

Do I seem outraged? I'm not. Brady can do whatever he wants to do.

And, honestly, while I understand the concept you're pushing here with your Nike sweatshop analogy, I hope you can recognize how absurd it sounds. You're a Pats fan, you're going to stan for the greatest Patriot of all time, I get it.

Alex Guerrero is literally a con artist. A documented con artist. If you're really going to push the idea that Kevin Durant having a Nike deal is the same thing as Brady enthusiastically endorsing the wares of a con artist, that's your prerogative, I suppose, but it sounds absurd.

Why is it absurd to recognize hypocrisy? It never is.

I"m not even defending Brady, I don't really care what he does either way. I'm merely pointing out why this is largely irrelevant. Doesn't even register on the radar. If you actually care about the issues with brand integrity/practices, then there's quite simply a million more more important things to focus on. In context, using your word, it's absurd.

 

[Husky25]

I guess but he's a 42 year old pocket passer QB who, except for one season and a suspension, hasn't missed a game. So he pretty clearly believes in what Guerrero is teaching. Certainly most of it just ideas that have been out there forever, but his dedication to it is unusually high. I don't think Tom is doing it for the money because he doesn't really need money. Even his ex wife is loaded.

That said, the Patriots kicked him out of the facilities a couple of years ago. So if somebody else were to let him in?

TB12 rents space from The Kraft Group. Belichick limited Guerrero's access to Patriots players other than Brady if his advice conflicted with the team doctors, and tossed him from the team plane and sidelines. I believe most of those privileges have since been reinstated.