ya mean pert near every thought in ur head?
don't blame me, bud. the thread centers on 'changes' and i gave a specific example of one thing that literally changed for me and many others from last week to yesterday, and it being a 'lifestyle' thing, makes it doubly on point. another change affecting my lifestyle that ain't changing back anytime soon is the office pop-in, where being in the neighborhood of the office for a pal/business contact, i just pop-in to say hi. recent experience has taught me that most aren't there, and the reasonable guesstimate is that 1 in 4 or 5 ain't coming back.
You think masks will be at 50% after we're through this? I doubt 50% are still wearing masks right now.
Do you really want to be posting links in this thread about fully vaxxed transmitting to unvaxxed? The evidence is strong that the chances of transmission are incredibly small. You can Google it for yourself and find dozens of articles.
“The clinical trials of Covid vaccines thus far have focused primarily on preventing the symptoms and severity of Covid rather than evaluating acquisition of the virus and transmission to others,” Creech says.
Patients who have been vaccinated can certainly still contract SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, and pass it on to others. There are two reasons for that, says Matthew Woodruff, an immunologist at Emory University.
First, he says, being vaccinated doesn't guarantee protection. Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have been shown to be extremely effective — about 95% — at preventing Covid symptoms, but that still means they won't work in some people.
A worker prepares a dose of the Pfizer BioNTech in the Bronx borough of New York on Feb. 5.
Photographer: Angus Mordant/Bloomberg
“This means that in your neighborhood of 40 vaccinated individuals, even if everyone has followed CDC recommendations, there will still likely be two people at risk of contracting and spreading the disease,” Woodruff says. “We do know that those two people will likely have less-severe disease than they would have otherwise, but I don't think anyone would seriously argue that they are incapable of transmission.”
Secondly, says Woodruff, being protected from symptoms of a disease isn't the same as being free from infection.
“It is certainly possible that patients that are otherwise protected from symptoms will still have low-level infections that they may not even notice,” he says.
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'Armageddon in major cities for 1yr plus.'
This excerpt is from an article in February. We know more now. At the 90-95% effective level it protects from infections, not just lowers symptoms. But yes, 5-10% of people are still vulnerable. This study came out in the end of March:“This means that in your neighborhood of 40 vaccinated individuals, even if everyone has followed CDC recommendations, there will still likely be two people at risk of contracting and spreading the disease,” Woodruff says. “We do know that those two people will likely have less-severe disease than they would have otherwise, but I don't think anyone would seriously argue that they are incapable of transmission.”
Secondly, says Woodruff, being protected from symptoms of a disease isn't the same as being free from infection.
“It is certainly possible that patients that are otherwise protected from symptoms will still have low-level infections that they may not even notice,” he says.
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Did you read the article? Read the article and then post.
A. I'm talking about car traffic Armageddon
I read what you posted from an article which seems to be written three months ago, I don't know why you made the post though. I've read tons of literature in the past few weeks about researchers studying Covid and transmission.
@Dream Jobbed 2.0 said "Everyone knows you can still carry and transmit even if you’re vaxxed." He is correct.
As I said you can also be struck by lightning, the chances are infinitesimally small though. We're not going to reach herd immunity but that doesn't matter.
What are the odds of being struck by lightning and what the odds of an inoculated person transmitting COVID. You seem to think that is an important comparison, so you surely know the figures.
Do I know know the definition of herd immunity? Now you're just being weird. Go look up more articles from three months ago.
Is that between vaccinated people or between a vaccinated an non-vaccinated person. Both are low likelihood, but the former is would seem to be lower.
Okay, so you don't. I understand. You might want to familiarize yourself with it before you start posting about it in absolutes.
What the hell are you talking about? Of course I know what it is and we aren't reaching it, look at the rates of vaccination in the South and other parts of the country. We aren't making it compulsory and we aren't getting to that threshold our health officials have been talking about but it doesn't matter. Once we get above 50% of adults fully vaxxed in the rest of the country like we have in New England things we'll be looking really good.
As a country, probably not. New England will make it, though. Herd immunity is a community level thing, thankfully, as it's based on continuable local transmission. Other parts of the country can't "infect" us if we're at herd immunity locally. Small pockets may pop up, but they'll die out on their own without intervention. CT and MA are likely already there, assuming most or all of the first dosers get the 2nd dose, and we're still dosing at high levels without much fall off.
Look it up and read the definition John and you’ll realize that you were mistaken. You’re welcome.