OT: What changes are you and family making to your lifestyle due to coranavirus?

[Leebo]

Yesterday was the first day since this ramped up on the 8th where we had a reduction in new cases and second straight day where there was fewer deaths. So that’s something?

About a week ago, Italy had like 3 days in a row where new cases and deaths stayed level. Then they went on exploding upward again, so it's too soon to say anything about a single day change.

 

[kingdobbs]

not a rhetorical question - why are the first states to go on lockdown the most left-leaning states?

The answer doesn’t really need to have much more in it than “the correlation you’re looking for is that they are the states with the three largest cities and metro areas in the country”.

Although that, in and of itself, correlates also to relative political lean.

 

[Kitaman]

As of 3/21/2020:

 

[billybud]

I just wanted to give a shout out to Cane fans...they have been practicing social distancing at games for a few years now...

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

As of 3/21/2020:
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Officially time for FFC to become part of New York.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

As of 3/21/2020:
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The really interesting thing buried in the data from CT released yesterday (https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/Coronavirus/CTDPHCOVID19summary3212020.pdf?la=en)

is that only 77/687 (11%) of samples tested at the state lab have been positive for COVID-19. The vast majority of patients with clinical syndromes that could possibly be COVID-19 are being ruled out for it being a cause of their symptoms.

Too early to tell exactly what that means, but remember, the State Lab is mainly processing samples on patients that are sick enough to be considered possible hospitalizations. Shows you how potentially overlapping the symptoms can be with things like influenza and plain-old bacterial pneumonia.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

The really interesting thing buried in the data from CT released yesterday (https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/Coronavirus/CTDPHCOVID19summary3212020.pdf?la=en)

is that only 77/687 (11%) of samples tested at the state lab have been positive for COVID-19. The vast majority of patients with clinical syndromes that could possibly be COVID-19 are being ruled out for it being a cause of their symptoms.

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Too early to tell exactly what that means, but remember, the State Lab is mainly processing samples on patients that are sick enough to be considered possible hospitalizations. Shows you how potentially overlapping the symptoms can be with things like influenza and plain-old bacterial pneumonia.

And from a public health and safety standpoint, it's why we really shouldn't be considering prescribing hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin to any person who has a spectrum of syndromes that might be COVID-19.

Although these drugs are reasonably well-tolerated, they can potentially cause serious adverse effects in some patients. Exposing multiple millions of patients to them (some unnecessarily), will result in a quantifiable # of inadvertent hospitalizations and deaths due to adverse effects of these drugs (collateral damage, so to speak, of the pandemic).

 

[ctchamps]

And from a public health and safety standpoint, it's why we really shouldn't be considering prescribing hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin to any person who has a spectrum of syndromes that might be COVID-19.

Although these drugs are reasonably well-tolerated, they can potentially cause serious adverse effects in some patients. Exposing multiple millions of patients to them (some unnecessarily), will result in a quantifiable # of inadvertent hospitalizations and deaths due to adverse effects of these drugs (collateral damage, so to speak, of the pandemic).

Agree. Additionally there is always a possibility, however remote, that the virus can induce a change in people that results in a negative reaction to a relatively safe medication. An example is the reaction (brain swelling and damage) a percentage of children have to aspirin (Reyes Syndrome) which is considered to be a consequence of viral infection.

 

[superjohn]

Mnuchin says the country is going to shutdown for 3 months. How the hell is this possible?

 

[Chin Diesel]

not a rhetorical question - why are the first states to go on lockdown the most left-leaning states?

NYC is certainly becoming an outlier. I would think there would be some correlation between Chicago and NYC since they both have massive public transportation systems and close contact. California definitely relies more in freeway system and less on subways and busses.
Texas and Florida are both more populated than New York state yet have fewer cases and have taken less drastic steps.
Only thing I do know is there will be a treasure chest of information to analyze effects of choices during this pandemic.

 

[methodology]

Mnuchin says the country is going to shutdown for 3 months. How the hell is this possible?

I heard they are deploying national guard everywhere and they were told to be prepared to be where they are deployed for up to 30 days. Wouldn't be surprised if we see a nationwide quarantine for at least 2 weeks

 

[billybud]

Sigh.....You know how bad it is when they stop making bourbon for hand sanitizer.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Mnuchin says the country is going to shutdown for 3 months. How the hell is this possible?

Because it’s way better to do that and keep hospitals slightly above capacity for a year rather than have them way over capacity for a few weeks and have the same amount of casualties. And have people go batshit crazy and commit suicide. Do you not watch the news?

 

[superjohn]

Because it’s way better to do that and keep hospitals slightly above capacity for a year rather than have them way over capacity for a few weeks and have the same amount of casualties. And have people go batshit crazy and commit suicide. Do you not watch the news?

You don't think people will be committing suicide if the country is in lockdown for 3 months? You think cutting a check for like a thousand dollars to individuals is going to cut it? You lockdown the country for 3 months and we won't have a country anymore.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

You don't think people will be committing suicide if the country is in lockdown for 3 months? You think cutting a check for like a thousand dollars to individuals is going to cut it? You lockdown the country for 3 months and we won't have a country anymore.

I agree with you. I was being facetious

 

[HuskyHawk]

not a rhetorical question - why are the first states to go on lockdown the most left-leaning states?

Because the left leaning states have the highest population density. The measures that are arguably appropriate in New York City are not needed in Kentucky. Note that left leaning states like Vermont are not on lockdown, nor should they be. There’s a reason West Virginia was the last state to have a positive case.

It should be obvious but anybody living in a multi-tenant building is more at risk than those in single family homes. And a high rise, with elevators and interior hallways is a greater risk than other types of apartments.

 

[Jay-Bone]

My dad has been taking the train to NYC every day for work (he works in construction) and is still working next week even with the shutdown

Fortunately I work from home, but my company is sending out crews to 4 or 5 different large job sites in NYC tomorrow that are all still up and running. Crazy. NY developers just don't care. Savage. So much for a "lockdown".

 

[HuskyHawk]

NYC is certainly becoming an outlier. I would think there would be some correlation between Chicago and NYC since they both have massive public transportation systems and close contact. California definitely relies more in freeway system and less on subways and busses.
Texas and Florida are both more populated than New York state yet have fewer cases and have taken less drastic steps.
Only thing I do know is there will be a treasure chest of information to analyze effects of choices during this pandemic.

LA is huge but it is mostly single family and exterior access apartments. Same with the cities in Texas. San Francisco has more interior access apartments and is more dense, like Chicago and New York. Seattle too.

 

[casual-yardin]

It is also inflationary to keep printing money and foisting it on others so some day the reckoning will come to us and our children if we do not address this.

Fiat Money

Except in 2009 - 2014 when it wasn't.

 

[HuskyHawk]

And from a public health and safety standpoint, it's why we really shouldn't be considering prescribing hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin to any person who has a spectrum of syndromes that might be COVID-19.

Although these drugs are reasonably well-tolerated, they can potentially cause serious adverse effects in some patients. Exposing multiple millions of patients to them (some unnecessarily), will result in a quantifiable # of inadvertent hospitalizations and deaths due to adverse effects of these drugs (collateral damage, so to speak, of the pandemic).

There are a lot worse collateral damage events going on. Tufts New England Medical is giving those drugs to all, but is also doing it in part to get data on efficacy. If there are side effects, so be it. We don’t have time to do a long term controlled study.

Every day that we keep our economy shut down we destroy the lives and livelihoods of tens of thousands. We cannot continue that for much longer. Certainly not for three months let alone 18. We have two options, we find a treatment or we let it run and people will die. All we are doing at the moment is buying a little time for option 1.

 

[billybud]

I live here in rural western North Carolina...we have five positives in my county.

Interestingly, three of the five are quarantined here but are New York primary home residents so they count in the New York stats...the other two are the folks that they were visiting.

 

[billybud]

They have been trying to track the 30 or so that attended the contra dance at the folk school with them.

 

[Kitaman]

Some good general questions answered here, its also practical and easy to understand:

You asked, we’re answering: Your top coronavirus questions

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Do we need to lock down the country or just NYC?

 

[J187Money]

A couple of things:

CT may be on lockdown but you can drive around, shop, get take out - go for walks - this isn't really that bad. (the caveat is for me and my wife that we are on salary and are still getting paid while working from home - this is no way to minimize the impact on those that can't work)

The numbers are getting so bad in NYC - from talking to people there most young people are still pretty dismissive - but if it gets much worse - I worry that the NYC folk will panic and scatter and infect everyone else and this will take forever to contain.

 

[uconnell]

A couple of things:

CT may be on lockdown but you can drive around, shop, get take out - go for walks - this isn't really that bad. (the caveat is for me and my wife that we are on salary and are still getting paid while working from home - this is no way to minimize the impact on those that can't work)

The numbers are getting so bad in NYC - from talking to people there most young people are still pretty dismissive - but if it gets much worse - I worry that the NYC folk will panic and scatter and infect everyone else and this will take forever to contain.

Has anyone noticed that the virus has progressed from NY to Stamford and slowly worked it’s way East? It finally got to New London this past week. New York the gift that keeps on giving us New Yorkers.

 

[uconnell]

A couple of things:

CT may be on lockdown but you can drive around, shop, get take out - go for walks - this isn't really that bad. (the caveat is for me and my wife that we are on salary and are still getting paid while working from home - this is no way to minimize the impact on those that can't work)

The numbers are getting so bad in NYC - from talking to people there most young people are still pretty dismissive - but if it gets much worse - I worry that the NYC folk will panic and scatter and infect everyone else and this will take forever to contain.

Some of the NY’es have already panic and left the city to spread the virus to other states.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Can we get Cuomo on twitter and tell NYers to stay in their brownstone lofts? It’s clearly the best epicenter. Isolating highly infected areas is a must.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Some of the NY’es have already panic and left the city to spread the virus to other states.

Only a matter of time until CT hospitals are full of NYC patients.

 

[superjohn]

Some of the NY’es have already panic and left the city to spread the virus to other states.

Yep, they're all moving into their summer houses in Litchfield County. My buddy said they've moved back to unfinished houses they own and are having builders work around them likely spreading the virus if they caught it in the city.