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WFAN Monologue on UConn

upstater said:
Can you be 0-9 in the BE and relevant though? And remember, this isn't the first time SJ beat a top ranked Duke team.
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So St. John's beats Duke at home, Nova and then Marquette, and they had many other games they were competitive in so as much as it pains me to say this they are significantly better than us. Who would have believed it? Not only that but their coach has them thinking that if the quality wins continue there is a way to the tourney unlikely as it is. Posed differently, what team has more relevance now, them or us?
 
jibsey said:
So St. John's beats Duke at home, Nova and then Marquette, and they had many other games they were competitive in so as much as it pains me to say this they are significantly better than us. Who would have believed it? Not only that but their coach has them thinking that if the quality wins continue there is a way to the tourney unlikely as it is. Posed differently, what team has more relevance now, them or us?
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St. John's would crush us.
 
jibsey said:
So St. John's beats Duke at home, Nova and then Marquette, and they had many other games they were competitive in so as much as it pains me to say this they are significantly better than us. Who would have believed it? Not only that but their coach has them thinking that if the quality wins continue there is a way to the tourney unlikely as it is. Posed differently, what team has more relevance now, them or us?
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Neither has any relevance.

St. John's is irrelevant in college basketball, as it has been since the 1980s.
 
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upstater said:
Neither has any relevance.

St. John's is irrelevant in college basketball, as it has been since the 1980s.
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That may be so, but they are being discussed, albeit it very recently, for good things, UCONN is being discussed across the board for it's incompetence and how quickly the program is fading into irrelevance.
 
So is this attack on WFAN a response to them being wrong or just some's desire to be in denial or...

Chris Moore is a UConn fan. He's far from my fave talking head on WFAN, but is he a UConn guy. Every single thing he apparently said (did not hear it) is 100% right on and I think most here finally know it. I do think we can be something again but we need to tear the whole thing down to build it back up. It goes without saying that our next hire is beyond crucial.

As far as WFAN, I actually like Gio more than Carton. He's still finding his way, but I got tired of the Carton schtick and feel like he rarely had anything meaningful to say. Gio at least can provide a comedic element while also bringing some knowledge to the table. Joe and Evan are the best show they have and I have no idea why they did not get the prime slot in the afternoon. The new afternoon show is pretty awful. They are always stepping on each other, each has a different type of grating voice, and there seems to be a lack of "complete" knowledge on tap. Bart Scott knows football, but he's clueless on everything else. He also takes every opportunity to remind you that he was a pro and that he rose through the ranks and is now loaded. Carlin has always been vapid and we get it, you're overweight. That joke stopped by funny 15 years ago when you were the producer. Maggie is the best of the three, but she is just the smallest turd in the s^&t field.
 
Northbound said:
That may be so, but they are being discussed, albeit it very recently, for good things, UCONN is being discussed across the board for it's incompetence and how quickly the program is fading into irrelevance.
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Am I the only one that remembers that St John's has done this before?

2011 beat #3 Duke 93-78
2003 beat #6 Duke
2001 beat #2 Duke

Where has that gotten them? Nowhere. I'd argue they are equally irrelevant.

There are only articles out there about UConn because UConn has had a big downfall. But you have to be high to fall.

Both programs are in nowheresville.
 
intlzncster said:
If you are talking as a pure coach, sure, but you're leaving out the relative expectations for each program. UK is a Final Four or bust program. Finishing in the Sweet 16 for them is like missing the tournament. Elite 8 for them is UCONN's first round exit. The natives are getting restless with Calipari right now for gods sake. And they are number 2 to Duke's number 1 in MCBB destinations. That's absurd.

UCONN, post realignment, is not anywhere close to that.

This is not an argument to give Ollie a longer leash. Just that it's a different place expectation-wise.
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Still the comment that Tubby’s experience is comparable to Ollie’s is simply silly.

As far as Hurley, who knows. My point was that if it is UConn or URI he isn’t staying in Kingston. Of course Ollie b&@h boi Stairmaster knows we won’t land anyone better than Kevin. Even if it were true, though it isn’t, it is still no reason to keep Ollie.
 
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Hans Sprungfeld said:
You had an interesting post going until that last sentence, which simultaneously proves and negates itself.
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It amazes me that free still posts about Ollie on this board. He ripped him for 2 years when he did an amazing job, and then disappeared and didn't give him any credit after the championship. Ridiculous.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
In Tubby's 9 years post-championship, he won 22 games and made it to the 2nd round of the NCAAT every year, including 5 Sweet 16's and 3 Elite 8's, and won their conference regular season 4 times.

In KO's 4 years post-championship, he won 22 games and made the 2nd round once, and hasn't finished better than 6th in the AAC.
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Precisely. That is why he stayed 10 years. Ollie milked his title for 4.
 
freescooter said:
Still the comment that Tubby’s experience is comparable to Ollie’s is simply silly.

As far as Hurley, who knows. My point was that if it is UConn or URI he isn’t staying in Kingston. Of course Ollie b&@h boi Stairmaster knows we won’t land anyone better than Kevin. Even if it were true, though it isn’t, it is still no reason to keep Ollie.
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Wow. You're really stupid.

I've been arguing for months that a change either should happen or is inevitable. Are you even literate? Do you know how to lace up your shoes without assistance?

Every single east coast P5/BE school with an opening will be pushing hard for Hurley. Some have already been hitting his agent up. UConn doesn't exist in a vacuum.
 
upstater said:
It amazes me that free still posts about Ollie on this board. He ripped him for 2 years when he did an amazing job, and then disappeared and didn't give him any credit after the championship. Ridiculous.
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Ah uppy,
Tell the truth and shame the devil, will you boy. I was never a Kevin Ollie fan. He is doing now exactly what I expected. But when he won the title I gave him his due quite publicly. Even said I might have been wrong about him. Alas it turns out I wasn’t. He was utterly unprepared to be a head coach. Though he did s fine job with Calhoun’s recruits and a team that got hot at the right time and in hind sight got the perfect matchups and the regional finals as a virtual home game. And another team that made a surprise run in the finals in 8 seed Kentucky. In hindsight again that was one of those magical runs that happens in sports and in the NCAA tourney from time to time. Danny Manning Kansas(6 seed mediocre regular season) Valvano NC State (6 seed in a 53? Team tourney)are other similar cases. Butler James Madison and Va Commenwealth gettingvto the Final 4 are similar though not as successful examples.
 
Stairmaster said:
Wow. You're really stupid.

I've been arguing for months that a change either should happen or is inevitable. Are you even literate? Do you know how to lace up your shoes without assistance?

Every single east coast P5/BE school with an opening will be pushing hard for Hurley. Some have already been hitting his agent up. UConn doesn't exist in a vacuum.
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For months? Please. Weeks maybe but always with the proviso that we won’t get anyone as good.
 
freescooter said:
Ah uppy,
Tell the truth and shame the devil, will you boy. I was never a Kevin Ollie fan. He is doing now exactly what I expected. But when he won the title I gave him his due quite publicly. Even said I might have been wrong about him. Alas it turns out I wasn’t. He was utterly unprepared to be a head coach. Though he did s fine job with Calhoun’s recruits and a team that got hot at the right time and in hind sight got the perfect matchups and the regional finals as a virtual home game. And another team that made a surprise run in the finals in 8 seed Kentucky. In hindsight again that was one of those magical runs that happens in sports and in the NCAA tourney from time to time. Danny Manning Kansas(6 seed mediocre regular season) Valvano NC State (6 seed in a 53? Team tourney)are other similar cases. Butler James Madison and Va Commenwealth gettingvto the Final 4 are similar though not as successful examples.
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Might have been wrong? You disappeared.

Perfect matchups: when you face Martelli, J Wright, Hoiberg, Izzo, Donovan and Calipari, that is I guess the easiest road to a championship anyone would want to have!
 
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upstater said:
Am I the only one that remembers that St John's has done this before?

2011 beat #3 Duke 93-78
2003 beat #6 Duke
2001 beat #2 Duke

Where has that gotten them? Nowhere. I'd argue they are equally irrelevant.

There are only articles out there about UConn because UConn has had a big downfall. But you have to be high to fall.

Both programs are in nowheresville.
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St John's is irrelevant from the day they stopped being able to pay players through a technicality. They'll never return. We at least have something non-shady to hang our hats on.
 
upstater said:
Might have been wrong? You disappeared.

Perfect matchups: when you face Martelli, J Wright, Hoiberg, Izzo, Donovan and Calipari, that is I guess the easiest road to a championship anyone would want to have!
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We got to play the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 in a virtual home games and in the semi finals got a team we’d already beaten in Florida and then another Cinderella in 8 seed Kentucky. It was a great run but it was the perfect storm. We had the best guard tandem in the country and they played perfectly. Not the best individual guards but the best guard combo.
 
freescooter said:
We got to play the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 in a virtual home games and in the semi finals got a team we’d already beaten in Florida and then another Cinderella in 8 seed Kentucky. It was a great run but it was the perfect storm. We had the best guard tandem in the country and they played perfectly. Not the best individual guards but the best guard combo.
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and? Florida, a team that only had trouble with UConn. Did they have trouble with anyone else?

Anyone who thinks that was an easy stretch is out of their minds.

Home games? Try being Duke or Kentucky or any of the bluebloods, and then tell me about home games.
 
freescooter said:
We got to play the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 in a virtual home games and in the semi finals got a team we’d already beaten in Florida and then another Cinderella in 8 seed Kentucky. It was a great run but it was the perfect storm. We had the best guard tandem in the country and they played perfectly. Not the best individual guards but the best guard combo.
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No question on the last part.

But we beat Florida, at home on a fluke play.

Florida tore through the rest of the NCAA. I believe their only other loss was to Wisky (also a FF team).

That Kentucky team, was loaded with freshmen, including 2 first rounders (Young and Randle). They grew up as the year went on. They lost to Florida 3 times, but the last time in the SECCG they probably win if Young doesn't slip on his drive. They also beat a Lousville team that beat us 3 times in complete beatdowns...TWICE.

They also knocked off an undefeated Witchita St that year in the 3rd round.

I will never apologize for beating MSU in that E8 after they got a virtual home game in 2009.

But beating that #2 seed Nova....you can't knock that either.

And the Iowa St game was just an unreal game and a fantastic atmosphere. Yes it did favor UConn. But how much was that really worth? I don't know the answer to that.
 
freescooter said:
We got to play the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 in a virtual home games and in the semi finals got a team we’d already beaten in Florida and then another Cinderella in 8 seed Kentucky. It was a great run but it was the perfect storm. We had the best guard tandem in the country and they played perfectly. Not the best individual guards but the best guard combo.
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From a seeding perspective, UConn in 2014 won with the most difficult path ever for National Champion. There is nothing to apologize for -- it makes what that team did even more remarkable.



Source: North Carolina can win a national title thanks to a historically easy path through the bracket
 
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upstater said:
Perfect matchups: when you face Martelli, J Wright, Hoiberg, Izzo, Donovan and Calipari, that is I guess the easiest road to a championship anyone would want to have!
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So what happened since? Where did that coach go?
 
the Q said:
the most amazing stat on that sheet is 97 Arizona, who didn't have a low score despite beating 3 #1 seeds.
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Which, to be fair, was probably a more difficult feat than us in 2014.
Ironically, the only team that really threatened us in 14 was the 10 seed in the first game.
 
MadDogRevival said:
Which, to be fair, was probably a more difficult feat than us in 2014.
Ironically, the only team that really threatened us in 14 was the 10 seed in the first game.
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Idk, didn't MSU come roaring back after halftime to go up like 8 in the 2nd half?

And it looked like Florida was going to run us out of the building early on in that one.
 
pepband99 said:
St John's is irrelevant from the day they stopped being able to pay players through a technicality. They'll never return. We at least have something non-shady to hang our hats on.
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Didn't they just beat Duke, Nova and Marquette? Listen carefully. They are better than us this year, regardless of their conference record. Do you dispute that?
 
jibsey said:
Didn't they just beat Duke, Nova and Marquette? Listen carefully. They are better than us this year, regardless of their conference record. Do you dispute that?
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Is that the discussion? Is this not a discussion about relevance?
 
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