West Virginia Has Already Sent $2.5 Million To The Big East

[tzznandrew]

OK, I get that part now. I'm not sure if that is completely accurate though and feel like something could be worked out if we have new members comitted for next season. Especially members in the current BCS rankings like BYU and Boise St.

I don't think so, as the rule was made in direct response to the last time the BE was raided.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

I don't think so, as the rule was made in direct response to the last time the BE was raided.

OK, but I've read something out there about there being a grace period so that conferences have a chance to get their numbers up if they do suffer defections. I was of the understanding that the 2 consecutive years rule for 8 members came into play during the next evaluation period in 2014.

 

[BugsyCT]

"Scumineers?"

Wow, guess the honeymoon's over. Now divorce papers are being filed.

 

[Druken Friar]

Of course you can force them to play. That is what specific enforcement is.

Oh -- and the Big XII will now be sued as well. They are tortiously intefering with the Big East's contract with WVU by offering WVU a Big XII spot during a period WVU is obligated to play for the Big EAst.

Papers should be filed by Monday. This is going to make a lot of my acquaintances a lot of money.

I'm sure you are right. Where is the league office for the Big 12 - as I suspected Irving Texas. Can you get a judge to enforce something before it's too late? What state juristiction? West Virginia? Texas? If so, good luck.

Just an opinion but I doubt the BE will be able to force WVU to comply with the 27 month rule through the court system. I hope I'm wrong. Of course that creates damages to the BE and the BE will win in court eventually.

My point was, it will be settled with cash. WVU is just being more brazen about it then Syracuse and Pitt.

 

[freescooter]

I actually agree with BL on this. My comment abotu forcing them out 12/31 was really meant in jest. Keep them here and start it on Monday.

 

[businesslawyer]

I guess zls gets his wish! lol

Going HAM "Hard as a " after calling WVU scumbags.

At first, I didn't like they were leaving, but now that I realize the implications-they are being scumbags!

I like that. I'll use it with a younger guy at the office momentarily.

WVU, like Pitt, Syracuse, and us, has every right to leave. I respect them doing what they think they have to do. For any member, however, to want to ignore the rule they agreed to so one departing member couldn't take down the conference, however, is scummy. And to do it after Pitt and Syracuse reluctantly accepted they couldn't is beyond scummy.

I have great respect for the Mountaineer fans, and, as I have said recently, have been proud to have shared this football confernence with them. But for the school itself -- Scumineers is mild compared to what I'm feeling.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sp...cs-status-if-it-doesnt-lose-more-members.html

From the article:

– Nothing in the current Bowl Championship Series contracts stipulates a minimum number of charter members to retain automatic qualifying status. The contracts solely reference the AQ leagues by name. Obviously if there was ever a Big East football-basketball divorce, there would be quite a battle over the lucrative Big East name.
– NCAA rules state a conference must have at least eight Football Bowl Subdivision members to be recognized for governance purposes. Conferences must have at least six Division I members to compete for championships in all sports besides football at the FBS level. The NCAA gives conferences a two-year grace period to recover if it falls below minimum membership levels.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

I don't think so, as the rule was made in direct response to the last time the BE was raided.

I read the official rules on this a few weeks ago (I know...I need to get a life and get over this conference realignment stuff)...but when I read it, I believe it actually had a specific clause written in the rule which specifically states that no exceptions will be made to the 8 school/2 year rule.

I am guessing that the delay over WVU's B12 invitation the last couple of days was this 27 month delay. It looks like WVU was going to lose their invitation because of this 27 month requirement....so WVU did the only thing they could to get the invitation. However, it is not going to work. They can try all they want...but they will not be able to get out of the 27 month requirement.

This may backfire drastically for WVU. What are they going to do in 7 years when the B12 finally collapses and falls apart? They are burning quite a few bridges here.

 

[businesslawyer]

I'm sure you are right. Where is the league office for the Big 12 - as I suspected Irving Texas. Can you get a judge to enforce something before it's too late? What state juristiction? West Virginia? Texas? If so, good luck.

Just an opinion but I doubt the BE will be able to force WVU to comply with the 27 month rule through the court system. I hope I'm wrong. Of course that creates damages to the BE and the BE will win in court eventually.

My point was, it will be settled with cash. WVU is just being more brazen about it then Syracuse and Pitt.

I'm sure all members submitted to one jurisdiction somewhere, be it DE, RI or NY. Generally speaking, standard for an injunction or specific performance is a showing of irreperable harm (harm for which monetary damages won't be sufficient or determinable) and a likelihood of success on the merits. Honestly, I think it's an easy case. And if a federal judge tells them to do it, they're going to do it.

Might be time for another Op Ed piece, like I did in '03. (Of course, that was before I found the Boneyard to explain all this to everyone).

 

[Druken Friar]

I'm sure all members submitted to one jurisdiction somewhere, be it DE, RI or NY. Generally speaking, standard for an injunction or specific performance is a showing of irreperable harm (harm for which monetary damages won't be sufficient or determinable) or a likelihood of success on the merits. Honestly, I think it's an easy case. And if a federal judge tells them to do it, they're going to do it.

Might be time for another Op Ed piece, like I did in '03. (Of course, that was before I found the Boneyard to explain all this to everyone).

Sounds good. It will be cool to see WVU eat their words.

 

[zls44]

Step 1: DON'T CASH THE CHECK...I'M TALKING TO YOU, SETON HALL

 

[businesslawyer]

Sounds good. It will be cool to see WVU eat their words.

I used the going HAM line to a 30 year old friend two offices down. He gave me a look admiring my new street cred.

Thank you gentlemen.

 

[zls44]

I used the going HAM line to a 30 year old friend two offices down. He gave me a look admiring my new street cred.

Thank you gentlemen.

Are you thirsty?

 

[Druken Friar]

Can we force em to change their name to the WVU Wannabees? I know that's just stupid, it's Friday.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

I think we'll be fine. The BCS bid is legally connected to the Big East Conference and the NCAA recognition of the conference is what is impacted by the 8 members for at least 2 consecutive seasons clause and there is a 2 year grace period to rebuild. The main concern here is that we have 8 members who have been playing together for at least 2 seasons when the next BCS evaluation takes place in 2014 so that we are still sanctioned as the Big East conference. If we don't get enough schools in here for next season then in 2014 we would not be able to be legally recognized as the Big East and our AQ bid would be lost. However, as long as we do have 8 members who have been playing together for 2 years by the end of the 2014 academic year we'll be all set. Stop worrying.

 

[Icebear]

Blow up the conference and be done with it. Go independent and look for a landing spot but get out of the Big East.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

Blow up the conference and be done with it. Go independent and look for a landing spot but get out of the Big East.

That would be the dumbest move we could make until it is beyond all doubt that the BE AQ status is gone.

 

[UCHuskies08]

Will people stop with the independent thing? Seriously. It's not based in reality.

 

[jrazz12]

Just a thought....might WV be expecting to be playing in the Big 12 next season on the assumption (however strong it may be) that UConn and/or RU will also be leaving before the year is up?

At that point, Big East football is officially dead, and the BCS bid issue is moot.

 

[MattMang23]

Just a thought....might WV be expecting to be playing in the Big 12 next season on the assumption (however strong it may be) that UConn and/or RU will also be leaving before the year is up?

At that point, Big East football is officially dead, and the BCS bid issue is moot.

That thought has crossed my mind, too.

 

[WhaleEER]

Letting WVU leave early may keep (or kept) the B12 from also extending an invite to UofL and Bosie which would kill the BE. The BE going to Idaho and telling Boise that this (BE) is thier only shot at a AQ confrence is a nice pitch.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

Letting WVU leave early may keep (or kept) the B12 from also extending an invite to UofL and Bosie which would kill the BE. The BE going to Idaho and telling Boise that this (BE) is thier only shot at a AQ confrence is a nice pitch.

The B12 was never going past 10 teams. Their TV contract would have been renegotiated and they would have made less money per school. All the rumors out there was information leaked to help in their negotiations with teams and to plant information.

 

[tzznandrew]

Just a thought....might WV be expecting to be playing in the Big 12 next season on the assumption (however strong it may be) that UConn and/or RU will also be leaving before the year is up?

At that point, Big East football is officially dead, and the BCS bid issue is moot.

If the ACC and Bxii want Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU immediately, they should just go for the kill. UConn-ND/Rutgers to ACC, Louisville-Cincy to Bxii. That would suck for USF.

As I have said in numerous threads, though, it would behoove many of these schools--Boise, BYU, USF, UCF, Houston, AFA, Navy, SMU, Temple--to join a conference together anyway (BE if it were around, even without Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, TCU) because they would appreciably increase their competition, and lose the dregs of their current conferences.

The hypothetical conference would have much higher averages across the board when you eliminate the Rices, Tulane, UABs, Memphises, Akrons, New Mexicos, and Idahos.

 

[businesslawyer]

If the ACC and Bxii want Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU immediately, they should just go for the kill. UConn-ND/Rutgers to ACC, Louisville-Cincy to Bxii. That would suck for US
As I have said in numerous threads, though, it would behoove many of theAllse schools--Boise, BYU, USF, UCF, Houston, AFA, Navy, SMU, Temple--to join a conference together anyway (BE if it were around, even without Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, TCU) because they would appreciably increase their competition, and lose the dregs of their current conferences.

The hypothetical conference would have much higher averages across the board when you eliminate the Rices, Tulane, UABs, Memphises, Akrons, New Mexicos, and Idahos.

Thesa are all possibilities. Everyone but us knowing that further Big East teams are out. Big XII willing to offer LV and Boise if we won't play ball. We're in a world where what was done didn't make sense, and iit's more likely someone knows something we don't than they just screwed up.

Until I know that, however, Scumineers will stand as my reference.

 

[bcfan06]

This isn't about Providence. This is about WVU, who has been a tremendous partner, deciding they want to be scumbags.

The Big EAst will be a viable football conference in 2012 and 2012 because Syracuse and Pitt (and WVU) are contractually required to play there. The fact that it may not be a viable conference afterwards is, frankly, a stupid argument for arguing you don't have to stay for 27 months.

WVU has elected to cheat, and say "sue us," rather than honor its obligations. It will be sued. I don't see how it thinks it will win, or why it should, but here we go.

You guys just like to sue everything huh? It could be the reason you are left out of the ACC, yet you want to do it again? What is the logic behind this? You'd think that if something didn't work once, you would learn from that and not do it again. It doesn't exactly help your reputation.

 

[businesslawyer]

You guys just like to sue everything huh? It could be the reason you are left out of the ACC, yet you want to do it again? What is the logic behind this? You'd think that if something didn't work once, you would learn from that and not do it again. It doesn't exactly help your reputation.

I'm sorry -- your moral justification for not suing a party damaging you by breaching a clear contractual term is what exactly (besides being a jerk).

I am sick enough of the trolls that I'm one more troll post away from going back to molestation replies. Hopefully, there are some bannings before I go there.

 

[epark88]

You guys just like to sue everything huh? It could be the reason you are left out of the ACC, yet you want to do it again? What is the logic behind this? You'd think that if something didn't work once, you would learn from that and not do it again. It doesn't exactly help your reputation.

Dude, you best slow your roll before BL goes HAM all over your sorry behind...

 

[upstater]

If the ACC and Bxii want Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU immediately, they should just go for the kill. UConn-ND/Rutgers to ACC, Louisville-Cincy to Bxii. That would suck for USF.

As I have said in numerous threads, though, it would behoove many of these schools--Boise, BYU, USF, UCF, Houston, AFA, Navy, SMU, Temple--to join a conference together anyway (BE if it were around, even without Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, TCU) because they would appreciably increase their competition, and lose the dregs of their current conferences.

The hypothetical conference would have much higher averages across the board when you eliminate the Rices, Tulane, UABs, Memphises, Akrons, New Mexicos, and Idahos.

But, those gaudy records are based on playing weaker competition. Playing good football teams in a non-AQ league is the worst of both worlds. Conference champ would be 9-3 and no AQ. Staying in weak leagues allows a 12-0 team to get a BCS berth.

 

[ctchamps]

Does anyone else get the impression that WV's membership to the B12 is conditional if and only if they can join the B12 in 2012? If WV can't leave the BE next season this may force the B12 to invite someone else.

At least we can get an idea of who is running the process here. Texas wants 10 only and Texas got 10 only. The handwriting is on the wall for the B12. It is a conference for five to six more years and then Texas is going independent.

It looks like the delay for Missouri isn't Missouri but the SEC. The SEC won't move until they know the B12 is set. Otherwise if Missouri gets the invite and the B12 doesn't get settled the SEC expects a battle with an ornery B12.

So the BE has to hold the fort and keep the 27 month rule in play. This ties up WV, the B12, and the SEC. The result may be the SEC has to raid the ACC. And yes the BE should and will go to court to enforce the 27 month rule.

 

[bcfan06]

I'm sorry -- your moral justification for not suing a party damaging you by breaching a clear contractual term is what exactly (besides being a jerk).

I am sick enough of the trolls that I'm one more troll post away from going back to molestation replies. Hopefully, there are some bannings before I go there.

Go ahead for all I care. It is a message board. I asked a question. I wanted a response. If you can't be civil enough to repond without "going back to molestation replies" that is on you. If you can't see a trend, then I am sorry. You sued us, Miami and VT for leaving. Just earlier today I read how you wanted to sue the NCAA for raising their APR standards if you were barred from NCAA tourny play and now you want to sue WVU. Sorry, it didn't help before and I was just pointing our that it doesn't help now. I am one of the more timid BC fans, who doesn't care either way if UConn is in the ACC. But you rarely hear about anyone suing or wanting to sue anyone else in the NCAA. Didn't hear it from Nebraska leaving, Colorado leaving, TCU leaving the first time. It's a trend. Sorry to point it out.