West Virginia Has Already Sent $2.5 Million To The Big East

[businesslawyer]

Do you bother to learn what you are commenting on before you open your piehole? If not, I have no sympathy.

I said, WVU has every right to leave the conference, and not a single post here has challenged that at all. The terms upon which they get to leave is $5M and 27 months notice. They have announced that they want to leave for $5M and 7 months notice. In doing so, they will likely cost the Big East and its members tens of millions of dollars.

So, I will not go HAM on you but will simply ask you -- if a person who voluntarily enters into an agreement to do something simply refuses to do it because they don't want to, and their failure will cost you millions, why is seeking a redress in the courts inappropriate. The purpose of the procedure is so that grown men have an option besides punching each other out, or ignoring it and letting a party in the wrong benefit at the expense of the party in the right. Your response?

 

[ctchamps]

Do you bother to learn what you are commenting on before you open your piehole? If not, I have no sympathy.

I said, WVU has every right to leave the conference, and not a single post here has challenged that at all. The terms upon which they get to leave is $5M and 27 months notice. They have announced that they want to leave for $5M and 7 months notice. In doing so, they will likely cost the Big East and its members tens of millions of dollars.

So, I will not go HAM on you but will simply ask you -- if a person who voluntarily enters into an agreement to do something simply refuses to do it because they don't want to, and their failure will cost you millions, why is seeking a redress in the ourts inappropriate. The purpose of the procedure is so that grown men have an option besides punching each other out, or ignoring it and letting a party in the wrong benefit at the expense of the party in the right. Your response?

I can't wait for the response.

 

[Vuce]

If you can't see a trend, then I am sorry. You sued us, Miami and VT for leaving. Just earlier today I read how you wanted to sue the NCAA for raising their APR standards if you were barred from NCAA tourny play and now you want to sue WVU. Sorry, it didn't help before and I was just pointing our that it doesn't help now. I am one of the more timid BC fans, who doesn't care either way if UConn is in the ACC. But you rarely hear about anyone suing or wanting to sue anyone else in the NCAA. Didn't hear it from Nebraska leaving, Colorado leaving, TCU leaving the first time. It's a trend. Sorry to point it out.

It would not be Uconn suing WVU, it would be the league. Let me ask you a question - in all seriousness, not being adversarial here. What if a bunch of teams left the ACC and the league was going to lose their BCS bid and the reason was that the teams that left were trying to do so right away rather than what they agreed on years ago and signed up for. Would you advocate just letting them go and leave the ACC without a BCS bid?

 

[bcfan06]

So, I will not go HAM on you but will simply ask you -- if a person who voluntarily enters into an agreement to do something simply refuses to do it because they don't want to, and their failure will cost you millions, why is seeking a redress in the ourts inappropriate. The purpose of the procedure is so that grown men have an option besides punching each other out, or ignoring it and letting a party in the wrong benefit at the expense of the party in the right. Your response?

I never said the Big East should let WVU or even SU or Pitt go for free. But I see no reason why the two parties can't work together on a settlement. From what I have read they have never said that they would just leave. Take this quote directly from WVU president, "As of July 1, we will be members of the Big 12. Our team and their team are in discussions about how we can make that happen." Seems the "how" certainly will be money. Either way suing everything and anything is not the answer. Once again Neb, CU, TCU, hell even UL, Cinci, USF all ditched their conferences at one point and none of them got sued.

 

[bcfan06]

It would not be Uconn suing WVU, it would be the league. Let me ask you a question - in all seriousness, not being adversarial here. What if a bunch of teams left the ACC and the league was going to lose their BCS bid and the reason was that the teams that left were trying to do so right away rather than what they agreed on years ago and signed up for. Would you advocate just letting them go and leave the ACC without a BCS bid?

No. I would adovcate the ACC force them to pay their large exit along with a large early exit fee, growing for each year they want to leave early. If they flat our refused, which I don't see any of the 3 schools leaving doing, then sue to collect the damages.

 

[Vuce]

. Our team and their team are in discussions about how we can make that happen." Seems the "how" certainly will be money. Either way suing everything and anything is not the answer. Once again Neb, CU, TCU, hell even UL, Cinci, USF all ditched their conferences at one point and none of them got sued.

When those schools left they came from leagues that either didn't have a BCS bid or the remaining league was not going to lose it. In the BE with defections of SU, PITT and WVU if they all left NOW the league would in fact lose the BCS bid. You said "just work together" well WVU agreed contractually to a 27 month waiting period and now wants 7 months. I don't see how they can "work together" on this. WVU needs to stay the 27 months so the league can invite the new members and maintain the BCS status. It isn't the money it is the BCS status. How would you suggest they remedy this?

 

[Vuce]

No. I would adovcate the ACC force them to pay their large exit along with a large early exit fee, growing for each year they want to leave early. If they flat our refused, which I don't see any of the 3 schools leaving doing, then sue to collect the damages.

But what about the BCS bid? you would have money via exit fees but you would not have a BCS bid.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

There is so much muck in this thread that I started skimming. Is there a simple explanation of WVU's rationale for busting the 27 month agreement, or are they just being dumb hillbillies? I was amazed to see the Big 12 jump right into the fray by putting it into a press release. they are well on their way to becoming parties to the lawsuit.

 

[Druken Friar]

Someone mentioned earlier their invite might have conditions like playing in 2012. I've also read the B12 needs 10 teams or their TV deal gets renegotiated. If true, it could explain WVU's agressive position.

 

[businesslawyer]

There is so much muck in this thread that I started skimming. Is there a simple explanation of WVU's rationale for busting the 27 month agreement, or are they just being dumb hillbillies? I was amazed to see the Big 12 jump right into the fray by putting it into a press release. they are well on their way to becoming parties to the lawsuit.

We don't know. People are assuming they were told now or never and choose full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. As for the Big XII, it's hard to believe they could be that stupid, which makes me wonder if they know something we don't know yet.

 

[businesslawyer]

I never said the Big East should let WVU or even SU or Pitt go for free. But I see no reason why the two parties can't work together on a settlement. From what I have read they have never said that they would just leave. Take this quote directly from WVU president, "As of July 1, we will be members of the Big 12. Our team and their team are in discussions about how we can make that happen." Seems the "how" certainly will be money. Either way suing everything and anything is not the answer. Once again Neb, CU, TCU, hell even UL, Cinci, USF all ditched their conferences at one point and none of them got sued.

Others can continue with you, but from what is public the Big East can't allow WVU to leave immediately without losing its BCS bid. BC people struggle to understand this but not everything is about money. WVU will pay more to leave early, but the Big EAst can't let them leave early.

 

[MattMang23]

I never said the Big East should let WVU or even SU or Pitt go for free. But I see no reason why the two parties can't work together on a settlement.

Because, as Vuce said, the Big East wouldn't be left with a BCS bid. There is no working together for a settlement when survival as a BCS league is on the line.

 

[UConnJim]

I never said the Big East should let WVU or even SU or Pitt go for free. But I see no reason why the two parties can't work together on a settlement. From what I have read they have never said that they would just leave. Take this quote directly from WVU president, "As of July 1, we will be members of the Big 12. Our team and their team are in discussions about how we can make that happen." Seems the "how" certainly will be money. Either way suing everything and anything is not the answer. Once again Neb, CU, TCU, hell even UL, Cinci, USF all ditched their conferences at one point and none of them got sued.

Baylor threatened to sue when it looked like the B12 was going to collapse. No one is disputing WVU's right to leave, but the process. Because the BE was an 8 team conference, each of the members knew why the 27 month wait was necessary. It protected all of them. Syracuse and Pitt seem to recognize their obligation to their past partners, but WVU does not?

 

[noeynox]

Wow, WVU really giving the remaining BE football schools a big . Surprised but not shocked. This BCS shit has turned academic types into stone cold, cut throat mercenaries.

 

[upstater]

Wow, WVU really giving the remaining BE football schools a big . Surprised but not shocked. This BCS **** has turned academic types into stone cold, cut throat mercenaries.

You're talking about WV. The school with the Rich Rod fiasco, the Holgorsen fiasco, the Stewart thing. O Luck and company are slicksters.

 

[Vuce]

I see that our BCU buddy hasn't answered - probably because once this was explained to him, he has none.

 

[huskyrob1]

Wow, WVU really giving the remaining BE football schools a big . Surprised but not shocked. This BCS **** has turned academic types into stone cold, cut throat mercenaries.

Yes they are giving the conf a big , but not so much to the other football programs who are trying to leave just like they did. The big and kissoff is directed at the nimrods in Providence who have been running this basketabll league to the detriment of D1 football for the past 30 years.

 

[ctchamps]

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I can't blame the departing schools advocating for themselves, but their action is impacting everyone and it could be argued it could have a greater impact on the football universities.

Even if people have sympathies with the actions taken by Cuse, Pitt and WV, the reality is that UConn has very little leverage to get into another conference. The best hope for UConn is to cause the B12 to go after something outside of the BE and get another school other than WV. So all past animosities or slights need to be ended regarding remaining members of the BE. DeFillipo demonstrated personal animosity is a weakness. There is no enemy or ally in this. There are better options and worse options, and forcing Cuse, Pitt and WV to stay 27 months is the best option. Expect the B12 conference to threaten to take 3 BE teams unless the BE lets WV go. I would tell them go ahead. The conference is dead without WV anyways. If the B12 can't get WV next year they take BYU.

 

[noeynox]

I can't blame the departing schools advocating for themselves, but their action is impacting everyone and it could be argued it could have a greater impact on the football universities.

There are better options and worse options, and forcing Cuse, Pitt and WV to stay 27 months is the best option. Expect the B12 conference to threaten to take 3 BE teams unless the BE lets WV go. I would tell them go ahead. The conference is dead without WV anyways. If the B12 can't get WV next year they take BYU.

What he said. The 27 month notice I'm sure was signed off by WVU and was for the protection of all the football members (no conference worthwhile is coming for the BBall schools). Pitt and SU leaving and abiding by the agreement is one thing, WVU, with this move is trying to single handedly destroying the remaining FBall programs.

Like others have said, maybe there is an agreement in place where their move doesn't cost the Big East its BCS bid, if not they're fun-hating us worse than any other school that has departed in the past.

 

[gars44]

When you know how it feels, when you can internalize how it feels, to be an outsider, then you understand. You can surrender. You can fight back. We will fight back. I am not worried.

 

[flyonthewall]

This is another place where the hybrid model of the BE will turn around and bit the BE FB schools in the a**. The BB schools do not generally care what happens to the FB side of the conference and when they see some exit fees and a few extra dollars from a 'let us out early' fee coming their way do you really think that they will vote to allow the BE to sue the departing FB schools? Not to pick on them but as an example, Seton Hall sees some extra free money out there. Are they going to vote to take it or are they going to vote against their economic self interest and only delay what is inevitable?