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Stagnant said:
Arizona state showed more fight against Utah.
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You are correct sir, for while the 20 loss Sun Devil squad refused to play defense in giving up 102 to the Utes, they did score 82 and made an effort on the boards. Wow, the kitties today could have been wearing the maroon and gold.
 
Anyone know why Northwestern is wearing Michigan's uniforms? Those unis look like black and yellow to me (yeah, I know Michigan is allegedly "blue," but that's gotta be the darkest shade of blue known to man). Not seeing any purple and white.

Regardless, they are getting hammered on their home court by Oregon, after getting hammered on their home court by Washington. The crowd of a few dozen is probably not entertained.
 
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BRS24 said:
Thanks. I just do a copy/paste from the espn schedule pages so whatever it says there, I go with it. :)
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I noticed when the SEC Network announcers talked about the game Sunday, they also said it was at Kentucky, so I guess now I know where they got it.

Should be a good game, but I can't be worried about it yet. I'm in the middle of my Georgia anxiety. The Bulldogs have struggled at times, but they had a couple of injuries and now appear to be back fully healthy. I'm preparing for their sneak attack. ;)
 
nwhoopfan said:
Anyone know why Northwestern is wearing Michigan's uniforms? Those unis look like black and yellow to me (yeah, I know Michigan is allegedly "blue," but that's gotta be the darkest shade of blue known to man). Not seeing any purple and white.

Regardless, they are getting hammered on their home court by Oregon, after getting hammered on their home court by Washington. The crowd of a few dozen is probably not entertained.
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Maybe they are supporting the Michigan football team. Who just beat Alabama:)
 
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azfan said:
UTAH loves the Arizona schools. They laid 102 on the Natasha Adair 20 loss squad, then stormed McKale and humiliated the kitties as no one, with the exception of Swann showed up for Barnes. I mean the Utes schooled the kitties holding the gentle kitties to under 50 points as Cunningham fouls out after 1 - 8 from the floor. The dirty t is awash in shame for, while the Utes are a solid squad, Adia Barnes "team" made them look like South Carolina. The kitties were abused far more than the inept Sun Devils who did score 82 in Utah. The kitties get destroyed on the boards as the "effort" this afternoon in the dirty t was embarrassing.
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Utah didn't have much to do with the lack of Arizona scoring. That is 100% on Adia and her team. NO ONE wanted to shoot besides Swann and Jada Williams (and maybe Jah); Cunningham simply has not grown regarding not fouling and you will never win a game when you throw up random shots late in the shot clock.

Of the many knocks you can make, one is absolutely that Adia simply doesn't field a team. She fields a bunch of players of various talent levels who are simply not used consistently with their talents. Williams was unhappy other players didn't make the proper moves, one of the European players is apparently unhappy with playing time (she is very talented), she keeps playing Paris who doesn't contribute because she continues to be unwilling to take shots, and I swear Adia looked unhappy with Swann's success because based on history Adia doesn't want Swann to take minutes from the players she favors until next year. Plus there was a photo op after the game and one of the players told our friends she hates it in Tucson with no "seasons". Yikes.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
Utah didn't have much to do with the lack of Arizona scoring. That is 100% on Adia and her team. NO ONE wanted to shoot besides Swann and Jada Williams (and maybe Jah); Cunningham simply has not grown regarding not fouling and you will never win a game when you throw up random shots late in the shot clock.

Of the many knocks you can make, one is absolutely that Adia simply doesn't field a team. She fields a bunch of players of various talent levels who are simply not used consistently with their talents. Williams was unhappy other players didn't make the proper moves, one of the European players is apparently unhappy with playing time (she is very talented), she keeps playing Paris who doesn't contribute because she continues to be unwilling to take shots, and I swear Adia looked unhappy with Swann's success because based on history Adia doesn't want Swann to take minutes from the players she favors until next year. Plus there was a photo op after the game and one of the players told our friends she hates it in Tucson with no "seasons". Yikes.
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Yes, coaching is tough. Yes, coaching is increasingly tough. Yes, Barnes is a flawed coach.

As the seasons go by Barnes' flaws becoming increasingly apparent.

Utah did have a great deal to do with exposing both the kitties and Barnes coaching flaws. The kitties tend to have a Kim Mulkey schedule which is catnip to the kitties coach and goes a great distance in disguising or hiding Barnes' flaws. And Barnes can run but she can't hide because the Big 12 schedule will reveal what is now well known in the dirty t.

You do a nice job of beginning an itemization and analysis of the kittie coach and her many flaws.

Is she a superior coach to Natasha Adair? Well that's a pathetically low bar and after thinking for a moment the answer would be yes.

Long-term in the Big 12 would the kitties be better off with a different (better)coach? The answer would be yes.

Do the kitty fans down in the dirty t deserve a different (better) coach? The answer would be absolutely yes.

In the state of Arizona by far the best coach without a doubt is Molly Miller. Her colleague Loree Payne is an outstanding coach as well. Then there's a huge huge huge gap before we get to the dirty t and the kitty coach.

And finally a coach who is way way way way over her head leading her program to a third consecutive 20 loss season is the nice coach from Delaware currently completing the obliteration of the women's program at Tempe. The jubilation by Adair in edging an ivy League school speaks volumes. Why a big 12 program would think it's wonderful to trail an ivy School for 32 minutes before eking out a win speaks volumes about that program.

4:00 p.m. mountain standard time Adair leads her squad against Texas Tech in Tempe. For fans interested in a comparison and contrast of average versus abominable 15 minutes on ESPN Plus would be illustrative although you would need a strong stomach. I fear my stomach has had enough after watching the Devils eek out their win over the Quakers at Mullet arena the hockey facility on the Tempe campus. Wondering if ASU gunner Ice Brown will be in uniform as she didn't play or was in the hockey arena against Penn. ASU post Parkinson will need to duplicate her Ivy dominant performance going against the guard heavy Tech for ASU to stay in the game

Both of Tech losses have come on the road and Tech was only able to beat Houston by 16 at home. Tech is a double-digit favorite over Natasha Adair's squad.
 
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I am watching Iowa and Penn State and I feel like the commentators just don’t know their stuff.

They have hinted at Lucy Olsen being a 3 point specialist multiple times.
 
Stagnant said:
I am watching Iowa and Penn State and I feel like the commentators just don’t know their stuff.

They have hinted at Lucy Olsen being a 3 point specialist multiple times.
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I hear you, but these BIG10+ broadcasts are done by students who are studying sports media. They're cutting their teeth and won't be as polished as a professional crew. If it was the BTN crew, then it would be a different matter but they're covering Nebraska vs USC and Michigan vs UCLA today
 
cancontent said:
I hear you, but these BIG10+ broadcasts are done by students who are studying sports media. They're cutting their teeth and won't be as polished as a professional crew. If it was the BTN crew, then it would be a different matter but they're covering Nebraska vs USC and Michigan vs UCLA today
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Sometimes the supposed professionals sometimes don't have any idea what they are talking about...
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Sometimes the supposed professionals sometimes don't have any idea what they are talking about...
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Fair, but in the case of the Iowa-Penn State game, it's a school production today. For all we know it could have been someone doing their first call and they blanked out due to nerves.
 
Nebraska-USC game lost a referee to an injury. Non-contact and had to be taken off the court in a wheelchair. How unfortunate :(
 
Well I don't think I've ever seen that before--one of the officials went down with a non contact injury during USC-Nebraska game. Down for a while, slow to get up, had to be wheeled off the court in a wheelchair.
 
Massive meltdown by BYU @ Cincinnati. Had the game in hand. Outscored 24-3 in Q4. Gibb went ice cold after a good first half.

edit--make that 26-6 in the final frame; lost by 9
 
azfan said:
Yes, coaching is tough. Yes, coaching is increasingly tough. Yes, Barnes is a flawed coach.

As the seasons go by Barnes' flaws becoming increasingly apparent.

Utah did have a great deal to do with exposing both the kitties and Barnes coaching flaws. The kitties tend to have a Kim Mulkey schedule which is catnip to the kitties coach and goes a great distance in disguising or hiding Barnes' flaws. And Barnes can run but she can't hide because the Big 12 schedule will reveal what is now well known in the dirty t.

You do a nice job of beginning an itemization and analysis of the kittie coach and her many flaws.
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I would still say you are a bit harsh. Every coach has flaws. Adia's have seemed throughout her tenure to be how she handles players. She does play favorites (and so do many coaches). She "can" get a team on one page on the court, only to have off court issues interfere. The defense has been excellent, over all, and was against Utah. But for some reason, the offense - even against the weak OOC schedule - is disjointed. It resembles the CVS Rutgers offense we watched for 15 years in person. The background issues are different, I think, but the result - wild shot late in the shot clock - is exactly the same. Too much dribbling vs. too much passing. Afraid of shooting because Vivian would be mad you took a bad shot vs. afraid to shoot and miss and not look good.

And Kia Vaughn who went on to a long career in the WNBA had some of Cunningham's issues, but she improved faster.

Adia isn't fooled by the results of the weak schedule. I personally don't agree with this year's scheduling (and neither did the team's beat writer) but it was ultimately to get wins (and it didn't work so well as a plan, exactly what the beat writer worried about). She argued that playing a tougher schedule doesn't necessary reward you.

Oh well, I still think (like Rutgers in the day) that Arizona will pull out some unexpected wins. We will see.
 
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Oklahoma St. beat Baylor by 23 in Waco. Did we expect that? OSU started off well last year in OOC but faded in the Big 12. Maybe this year will be different.

edit--as a side note it seems like Stailee Heard gets a bit of buzz, but Anna Gret Asi is a player who should be talked about more
 
Arizona has lost a whole bunch of transfers the last 3-4 years. Plenty of them have been impactful other places. I just can't stop thinking how they could have both Madison Conner and Anna Gret Asi in their back court right now. That would be 2 deadly 3 point shooters that would be pretty darn hard for any team to come up with a good defensive strategy against.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
I would still say you are a bit harsh. Every coach has flaws. Adia's have seemed throughout her tenure to be how she handles players. She does play favorites (and so do many coaches). She "can" get a team on one page on the court, only to have off court issues interfere. The defense has been excellent, over all, and was against Utah. But for some reason, the offense - even against the weak OOC schedule - is disjointed. It resembles the CVS Rutgers offense we watched for 15 years in person. The background issues are different, I think, but the result - wild shot late in the shot clock - is exactly the same. Too much dribbling vs. too much passing. Afraid of shooting because Vivian would be mad you took a bad shot vs. afraid to shoot and miss and not look good.

And Kia Vaughn who went on to a long career in the WNBA had some of Cunningham's issues, but she improved faster.

Adia isn't fooled by the results of the weak schedule. I personally don't agree with this year's scheduling (and neither did the team's beat writer) but it was ultimately to get wins (and it didn't work so well as a plan, exactly what the beat writer worried about). She argued that playing a tougher schedule doesn't necessary reward you.

Oh well, I still think (like Rutgers in the day) that Arizona will pull out some unexpected wins. We will see.
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To quote Loophole Lloyd Benson, I watched Stringer coach, I watched Stringer win.....Barnes is not to be mentioned in the same breath as Viv

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Off court issues

wild shot late in the shot clock -

To much dribbling vs. too much passing.

Afraid of shoot


Hummmmmm....... If it's harsh to attribute these repeated deficiencies on the court to flawed coaching then I wonder what adjective one would pick?

I'm thinking back to last month when Grand Canyon traveled down to McKale and Molly Miller coached a tremendous game. At the risk of being overly harsh Molly Miller out coached Barnes and her players out played the kitties.

The more important point here is the dirty t is an outstanding basketball town with fans that really show up and support their team. It appeared that when Barnes arrived with McDonald the kitties were going to be led out of the wilderness. It appears that Barnes was able to lead the kitties out of mediocrity and now they appear stuck in average. (Or at the risk of being overly harsh below average)
 
nwhoopfan said:
Arizona has lost a whole bunch of transfers the last 3-4 years. Plenty of them have been impactful other places. I just can't stop thinking how they could have both Madison Conner and Anna Gret Asi in their back court right now. That would be 2 deadly 3 point shooters that would be pretty darn hard for any team to come up with a good defensive strategy against.
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Any responsibility on the part of the head coach?
 
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Stagnant said:
Oh wow. Is Arizona state actually going to win a conference game??
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Ikr. The Walk of shame by Texas Tech is going to be long and painful.

With a win over Houston the Devils will be on a three-game winning streak. Interesting that Ice Brown was not on the court in the previous win or this afternoon's victories and I'm wondering if she'll make the trip to Houston. Is it possible ASU is a better team without the run and gun Ice Brown.

Takeaways

Obviously Texas Tech is a horrible road team as their other two losses are also on the road losng to ASU is what the kids would call a bad loss a really bad loss.

ASU may well be better without Brown
 
Arizona State is the hottest team in the country! Or at least in the eastern half of the Phoenix metropolitan area...

With their dominant win over one-time national champion Texas Tech, the Sun Devils are tied for 2nd place in the Big 12. The national media is abuzz with excitement and rumor has it that a contract extension for Adair is in the works.

Am I close, @azfan ?
 
Plebe said:
Arizona State is the hottest team in the country! Or at least in the eastern half of the Phoenix metropolitan area...

With their dominant win over one-time national champion Texas Tech, the Sun Devils are tied for 2nd place in the Big 12. The national media is abuzz with excitement and rumor has it that a contract extension for Adair is in the works.

Am I close, @azfan ?
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This is much funnier when you do it to someone else rather than me!


Hey, North Carolina Central wants to be in that hottest team conversation. Also on a 2 game winning streak.
 
A lot of schools that I pull for in NC/SC played down this week.. like vs NAIA, D2 and D3 squads. In the backyard brawls throw out the record book games... UNC-Asheville hosted nearby Brevard College (My Tornadoes) and you know when a Bulldog meets a Tornado, anything can happen. The Bulldogs won 79-45. Presbyterian played Newberry, and when the Presbyterians and the Lutherans meet up.. well... its not always pretty. The Blue Hose squeaked by 53-43. In the SoCon.. UNC-Greensboro thrashed Greensboro College (My Pride) 104-21 :oops: Western Carolina defeated Southern Wesleyan 112-53 :eek: Last but not least, in the CAA NC A&T sliced up the Pickles of Mt Olive 100-42. Elon defeated Lees Mcrae 97-53. In summary, it was a really bad week for the Methodists, Wesleyans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Baptists :(

I know why the bigger schools do it because their conference seasons dont start up until this weekend and they want to give the players a easy game after the holiday break.
 
nwhoopfan said:
This is much funnier when you do it to someone else rather than me!


Hey, North Carolina Central wants to be in that hottest team conversation. Also on a 2 game winning streak.
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I was just about to post that. That actually is a decent win.. Furman has had a respectable program in the past.
 
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